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2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

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If Suns get Chris Paul, who will be the 2nd leading scorer on the team?

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Re: 2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes 

Post#3601 » by cberry78 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:48 pm

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I know about DB and Galo from Italy, but what's the deal with a CP3 & Galo connection, I can't find anything about it?


Ha well there's a hint in the photo in that tweet...

They're on the same team now and had a good year. I don't think it's some cosmic connection or anything, just recent familiarity and success.

LOL!

It's too early for this **** for me apparently. :lol: I even looked at their career stats on bball-ref to see if they played together in the past, and totally ignored last year. :banghead:
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Post#3602 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:59 pm

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But would he be a good fit next to Ayton? :D

The Heat can let Crowder, Hill and Leonard walk
sign GAllo
than bring back Dragic maybe with Bird Rights?
I'd say the Heats interest in Galo will come down to Giannis signing his extension with Milwaukee next week. If he does then I could absolutely see them ink Galo, if he doesn't I wouldn't expect the Heat to commit any money that would cut into their 21 space. Maybe galo would accept a 1 year deal from them but at his age and injury history id think he would want some long-term money.

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Post#3603 » by BobbieL » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:03 pm

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But would he be a good fit next to Ayton? :D

The Heat can let Crowder, Hill and Leonard walk
sign GAllo
than bring back Dragic maybe with Bird Rights?
I'd say the Heats interest in Galo will come down to Giannis signing his extension with Milwaukee next week. If he does then I could absolutely see them ink Galo, if he doesn't I wouldn't expect the Heat to commit any money that would cut into their 21 space. Maybe galo would accept a 1 year deal from them but at his age and injury history id think he would want some long-term money.

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Still would need a two guard for depth with CP3 and Gallo. Heck, need one now with Oubre and Rubio.

Good points about the Heat - Riley always thinking!
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Post#3604 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:06 pm

BobbieL wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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But would he be a good fit next to Ayton? :D

The Heat can let Crowder, Hill and Leonard walk
sign GAllo
than bring back Dragic maybe with Bird Rights?
I'd say the Heats interest in Galo will come down to Giannis signing his extension with Milwaukee next week. If he does then I could absolutely see them ink Galo, if he doesn't I wouldn't expect the Heat to commit any money that would cut into their 21 space. Maybe galo would accept a 1 year deal from them but at his age and injury history id think he would want some long-term money.

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Still would need a two guard for depth with CP3 and Gallo. Heck, need one now with Oubre and Rubio.

Good points about the Heat - Riley always thinking!
The heat almost traded for Galo at the deadline but they wanted him to sign a 1 year extension and he said no he wanted more than 1 year and it fell apart. Can't see how either side would have changed their stance much since then.



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Post#3605 » by King4Day » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:25 pm

NBA radio saying Tucker wants out of Houston. Anyone else hear this?
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Post#3606 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:29 pm

GoodBehavior wrote:Small market teams like the Suns have to make calculated gamble to win a championship. Keeping Oubre and Rubio would likely result in middle-of-the-pack mediocrity. Love them both, but if you have a chance to be a title contender, you take that chance. People are way, way underselling Chris Paul. He took a ragtag, mishmash of OKC talents to almost upsetting the Rockets. We're taking about a second-team all-nba player here, who is frankly better than Booker at this point.

Paul-Booker-Ayton is probably the best trio of stars in the league right now. Better than the Dubs trio IMO since few (if any teams) have two defensive guards that can keep up with Paul and Book, and there's few big men who can defend Ayton on the PNR. If Ayton can shoot the three (and it looks promising) and Bridges can lock down (or slow down) bigger forwards, I really, really like our chances.

Now there are risks... First, it keeps us paper-thin at the power forward position. Jones is going to have to find a cheap solution here. Maybe a Millsap and hope you can be okay with Millsap/Cam/Saric. Second, Booker's willingness to play second fiddle and sacrifice his personal goals (all star etc). Chris Paul is going to be 1a on this team, unlike a Rubio, he's going to be looking for his shot. Point Book and Booker usage is going to fall. I don't think Chris, after going through with what happened in Houston and Harden, will want to be 1B again.


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Post#3607 » by BobbieL » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:34 pm

King4Day wrote:NBA radio saying Tucker wants out of Houston. Anyone else hear this?


Love PJ Tucker
I am not sure how the Suns could get him - what would HOuston want - $8m is his salary

and really not sure he is a fit - granted teams always need a PJ tucker
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Post#3608 » by King4Day » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:36 pm

NBA radio talking about the idea that maybe Charlotte would give up the 3rd pick to get Westbrook.
Meanwhile...

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Post#3609 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:40 pm

So I am seeing all over Twitter the Suns WANT to include the 10th pick. Has James Jones lost his mind. Chris Paul is an OKC salary dump. He needs to treat it that way.
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Post#3610 » by BobbieL » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:49 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:So I am seeing all over Twitter the Suns WANT to include the 10th pick. Has James Jones lost his mind. Chris Paul is an OKC salary dump. He needs to treat it that way.


I think for any deal with CP3 - if the Suns take on the contract of CP3 - at worst they will flop the 10 for 25. I just don't see the need. OKC getting out from under that contract with expirings and maybe a young player like Shamet (Kerrsed trade scenario) is a pretty big win for them.

I will be very surprised if the Suns give up Oubre, Rubio and the 10th pick for just CP3 (whether a straight trade with OKC or a multi team). I can see the Suns giving up Oubre, Rubio and either Jerome or Okobo and getting back Paul and a role player.

CP wants out and it seems the Thunder want out of that contract. Their leverage might be minimized. As end of the day, if Presti can have a clean cap in the summer of 2021 (as Adams and Shroder will also be off the books) - he, Presti, can start fresh next summer with a clean cap and a bunch of draft picks.
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Post#3611 » by zimpy27 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:53 pm

King4Day wrote:NBA radio talking about the idea that maybe Charlotte would give up the 3rd pick to get Westbrook.
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Westbrook to Suns may start getting traction soon :)
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Post#3612 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:59 pm

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quote="jsierra1985"]The suns should be in win now mode...if the pick of this years draft is a must to get cp3 to phx then do it and dont think twice. The chances of that rookie making an impact this year and next are way WAY less than cp3 getting the suns into the playoffs....we have our core in place and under contract....its time to go all in and bring in a player that we know can get us over the hump...i could careless about draft picks or what he is owed the next two years....get him here and take the risk of seeing what a cp3/booker backcourt can look like[/quote]

I disgree about the pick. I think you need players on the roster on rookie deals. In the trade Kerrsed proposed, Suns drop from 10 to 18 - I can live with that. But I want a FRP . The Suns are taking on that contract, that should count for something!

But if CP3 can make Booker, Ayton, Cam and Mikal better - look what he did in OKC - maybe he can do the same in Phoenix. If CP3 can get the Suns the playoffs the next two years - thats the goal right there. And improving the young core.

If Paul is better equipped to take Ayton to another level - that has to be a part of the process. Though I was very comfortable running back the team from the Summer but adding a 2G and maybe a new 4 too. I like Rubio.[/quote]

This is where I'm at with the trade. I'm getting over my reservations about CP3. If he can help light a fire under Ayton and give that much more veteran guidance to the of our young guys its a plus. Rubio was great for this team and a motivated, healthy Chris Paul will be twice as good...if he stays healthy. That last part is key, too bad we don't still have the same medical staff, I'd feel way better about this with those guys here to patch up Paul if need be.

If we do this I want to keep that 10th preferably and hopefully grab Toppin. Baynes and Saric are gone so we would need a big man. With CP3 here we should hopefully be able to land a decent FA with our mid-level exception. Gasol, Ibaka or even Tristan Kardashian could go along way. That last one we might have to run by Booker of course lol.

If this needs to be a 3 teamer than would this work:

GS: Wiggins and 2nd--> OKC
PHX: Rubio and Oubre-->GS
OKC: CP3-->PHX

Seems to get everyone what they need.[/quote]

If this needs to be a 3 teamer than would this work:

GS: Wiggins and 2nd--> OKC
PHX: Rubio and Oubre-->GS
OKC: CP3-->PHX

Seems to get everyone what they need.


I did a slight variation on your premise that I find yo be really beneficial to all teams involved honestly!


Phoenix/ Golden state/ Detroit/ OKC
https://tradenba.com/trades/-yf84WMbM
*** Phoenix can add a 2023 protected first ( To Detroit IF necessary). Or to OKC, And in turn, OKC would send the 25th pick to Detroit as a (sweetener). :wink:
But basically, Each team gets really solid value!

GS gets-
* BOTH Rubio and Oubre, AND gets off of Wiggins contract. Now they can really compete, And with Wiggins off the books, They could easily resign Oubre for less than what the were paying Oubre, Or they could flip him for value at the deadline! :nod:

Detroit gets-
Wiggins contract ( absorbed) and Ty Jerome. But also gets the # 2 pick ( and either a PHX 2023 protected first OR the 25th pick ( OKC). They also still have around 26 million for free agency post trade. Meaning they could take Edward's or Ball with the trade, And then look at any of Bertans, Joe Harris, Jerami Grant or resign wood, And still add further depth in free agency, Or could flip the 2nd for more draft assets, etc. This is a super sweet deal for them honestly.

OKC gets-
20 million in expiring contracts, two young prospects in Mikhailiuk and Okobo to take a chance on IF they prefer. And the 7th pick in the draft, Giving them much higher value than the 10th pick alone! Plus they also basically save 40 million from moving Paul's contract, So this affords them close to 2 max contract slots in 2021 free agency.

** Phoenix could also add either Lecque or Owen's as well if OKC would prefer ( young prospects). After all, Lecque has been compared to a young Westbrook (athletically). So it might intrigue Presti! :nod:

Phoenix gets-
Chris Paul, Luke Kennard, Eric Paschall. We keep our 10th pick, And still have around 7 million before hitting the cap line, And then we'd have our Full MLE, And exceptions with which to round out our roster. :rock:
* We trade the 10 to Minnesota for the 16 and 33rd picks.
16- Draft Desmond Bane.
33- Draft Tyler Bey.
** We buy a mid 2nd for Killian Tillie **.
Around 3.6 million ( absorbed once we decline Kaminsky/ Okobo/ Lecque)???
We resign Saric at 14/ 2 ( 2nd yr TO).
Then using our full MLE, We......................
- Sign Milsap at around 9 million ( 1 yr deal).
Then use our room exception to................
- Sign Rondae Hollis Jefferson? At 8 /2 ( 2nd yr TO).
- Sign Nerlens Noel ( veterans minimum)?
Our lineup becomes:

- Paul/ Kennard/ Payne.
- Booker/ Bane/ Carter.
- Bridges/ RHJ/ T Bey.
- Milsap/ Saric/ Tillie.
- Ayton/ Noel/ Saric. :D
That's a team with really potent offense, And really strong versatile defense as well. :wink:
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Post#3613 » by Kerrsed » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 pm

You guys need to leave Flex alone, for real! Listen to what he has to say, but quit bothering him. There is absolutely no need to DM him asking about who he is or who his sources are or ANYTHING like that. If you want to believe his info, believe it, if you dont, then dont. Once again, its an insider going out of their way to provide information, and people want to blow things up and question everything and flood his DM's with bulls*t. Thats how you piss off/scare off guys with sources, then wonder why we dont hear anything and why info isnt leaking.

This board has had a rich history of having insiders providing us information. Unfortunately they tend to disappear and dry up once they start being interrogated and attacked on the board. Its happened time after time after time. Flex isnt a part of our board, yet here he is being flooded with questions in his DM's and attacked, and everything that he posted in that last tweet pointed right back to posters here on RealGM. Thats NOT a good look.

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Post#3614 » by LV-Suns » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:03 pm

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I consider this a much much worse thing than Fred Van Vleet saying he wants to get paid.

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Post#3615 » by cberry78 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:16 pm

BobbieL wrote:
King4Day wrote:NBA radio saying Tucker wants out of Houston. Anyone else hear this?


Love PJ Tucker
I am not sure how the Suns could get him - what would HOuston want - $8m is his salary

and really not sure he is a fit - granted teams always need a PJ tucker

Frank and Okobo = PJ
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Post#3616 » by BobbieL » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:33 pm

cberry78 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
King4Day wrote:NBA radio saying Tucker wants out of Houston. Anyone else hear this?


Love PJ Tucker
I am not sure how the Suns could get him - what would HOuston want - $8m is his salary

and really not sure he is a fit - granted teams always need a PJ tucker

Frank and Okobo = PJ


Suns probably need to give a pick with that deal... protected FRP in 2021?
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Post#3617 » by darealjuice » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:36 pm

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Post#3618 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:41 pm

Kerrsed wrote:You guys need to leave Flex alone, for real! Listen to what he has to say, but quit bothering him. There is absolutely no need to DM him asking about who he is or who his sources are or ANYTHING like that. If you want to believe his info, believe it, if you dont, then dont. Once again, its an insider going out of their way to provide information, and people want to blow things up and question everything and flood his DM's with bulls*t. Thats how you piss off/scare off guys with sources, then wonder why we dont hear anything and why info isnt leaking.

This board has had a rich history of having insiders providing us information. Unfortunately they tend to disappear and dry up once they start being interrogated and attacked on the board. Its happened time after time after time. Flex isnt a part of our board, yet here he is being flooded with questions in his DM's and attacked, and everything that he posted in that last tweet pointed right back to posters here on RealGM. Thats NOT a good look.

Seriously fella's, dont be that a**hole that loses it for everyone. Be classy.
Yeah don't be a **** is probably a good rule of thumb in both this case and life.

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Post#3619 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:44 pm

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Gambo says Dario will be back
Good. Seems like there's some serious interest from both sides and when that's the case things tend to get done. I think they found something with running him at the 5.

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Post#3620 » by BobbieL » Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:47 pm

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Gambo says Dario will be back
Good. Seems like there's some serious interest from both sides and when that's the case things tend to get done. I think they found something with running him at the 5.

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I was thinking the same thing -- he did pretty well at the 5 over the summer. I would be okay with that.

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