2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[Kerrsed]

Where does Oubre end up? If Dallas why would they want Oubre over DFS? Oubre scores more but on worse efficiency and they don't need a self creator there. They are pretty similar other than Oubre shooting more but DFS makes $4 million a year through 22. Why would Dallas want to pay 4x that and probably more if they kept him?

Yeah, worse efficiency, but its pretty damn close to the same. As a matter of fact, their stats are rather similar all down the board. DFS is the better defender, but i wouldnt say its by that much.

But i do disagree with you on Dallas not needing a self creator. I think that was one of the biggest issues that the Mav's had last season. Everyone relied on Doncic way way too much, and could do very little on their own. Teams caught on and learned if you can shut Doncic down, you shut the rest of the team down. Put your best defender on Luka and make his life hell. The only real player on that team that could somewhat create for himself was Hardaway Jr. (Whos efficacy has been right around 42% during his time in Dallas).

In my eyes, they are sending out Hardaways 1 year deal (Making $20M by the way) and getting back a better player (Both on offense and defense) in Oubre who is making about $4M less this season and if they chose to keep him will make right around what Hardaways past contact was ending at. Im looking at this deal more as them getting Oubre for HardawayJr and PatBev for DFS. They need that guy that can break from the play and take it to the rim. The guy who can draw the contact and get to the FT Line (Oubre attempted as many FT's per game as HardawayJr and DFS COMBINED). I also have them picking up PatBev to bring that added defense to the starting 5 that they need.

PatBev/Wright/Brunson
Oubre/Curry
Doncic/Jackson
Porzingis/Kleber
Powel/Boban

Doncic would continue to run the point from the SF position. This leaves PatBev to conserve the energy usually spent controlling the ball and running the offense to be better spent on the defensive end, turning him into a straight 3&D player at the PG spot.

[lilfishi22]

OK, I guess he reads RealGM (though he said he doesn't in a tweet).

But he specifically said in a tweet that "I am not doing this for RealGM, twitter, etc" and then he also said "This is not Gambo's burner account"....now that was a joke I made...I seriously doubt someone DM'd him that, even though Gambo is from Jersey.

He also said he's not RayRay. That is kind of a strange thing to say if he doesn't read here...I guess someone could have DM'd him that.

Though he does follow 2 people named RayRay.

I think the point Kerrsed is making is to just leave the guy alone.

[cberry78]

Or are you Flex from Jersey Kerrsed and tired of getting DMs?

Also, if people are posting their thoughts here they are likely very similar to a lot of other people's thoughts on twitter. There are a lot more Suns fans on twitter than here too, so there is likelihood they have the same thoughts or maybe even that they lurk this board and then DM him or her.

I just want to point out that we didn't hear ANYTHING about "Flex from Jersey" until after Kerrsed showed back up.

[Kerrsed]

OK, I guess he reads RealGM (though he said he doesn't in a tweet).

But he specifically said in a tweet that "I am not doing this for RealGM, twitter, etc" and then he also said "This is not Gambo's burner account"....now that was a joke I made...I seriously doubt someone DM'd him that, even though Gambo is from Jersey.

He also said he's not RayRay. That is kind of a strange thing to say if he doesn't read here...I guess someone could have DM'd him that.

Though he does follow 2 people named RayRay.

Read on Twitter

[bwgood77]

Where does Oubre end up? If Dallas why would they want Oubre over DFS? Oubre scores more but on worse efficiency and they don't need a self creator there. They are pretty similar other than Oubre shooting more but DFS makes $4 million a year through 22. Why would Dallas want to pay 4x that and probably more if they kept him?

Yeah, worse efficiency, but its pretty damn close to the same. As a matter of fact, their stats are rather similar all down the board. DFS is the better defender, but i wouldnt say its by that much.

But i do disagree with you on Dallas not needing a self creator. I think that was one of the biggest issues that the Mav's had last season. Everyone relied on Doncic way way too much, and could do very little on their own. Teams caught on and learned if you can shut Doncic down, you shut the rest of the team down. Put your best defender on Luka and make his life hell. The only real player on that team that could somewhat create for himself was Hardaway Jr. (Whos efficacy has been right around 42% during his time in Dallas).

In my eyes, they are sending out Hardaways 1 year deal (Making $20M by the way) and getting back a better player (Both on offense and defense) in Oubre who is making about $4M less this season and if they chose to keep him will make right around what Hardaways past contact was ending at. Im looking at this deal more as them getting Oubre for HardawayJr and PatBev for DFS. They need that guy that can break from the play and take it to the rim. The guy who can draw the contact and get to the FT Line (Oubre attempted as many FT's per game as HardawayJr and DFS COMBINED). I also have them picking up PatBev to bring that added defense to the starting 5 that they need.

PatBev/Wright/Brunson
Oubre/Curry
Doncic/Jackson
Porzingis/Kleber
Powel/Boban

Doncic would continue to run the point from the SF position. This leaves PatBev to conserve the energy usually spent controlling the ball and running the offense to be better spent on the defensive end, turning him into a straight 3&D player at the PG spot.

I'll be pretty surprised if they want Oubre. I think they like DFS a lot and I think they have other creators. Porzingis can create. I think some of their guards can too. But Luka plays a lot like Harden and will iso or get the assist which is why he always has so many points and assists. I could be wrong if Dallas wants in on the deal but I think if they do the more likely case is to clear salary for next summer...DFS goes until the following summer, though it's only $4 million. But they are known as one of the 3 teams that wants to go for Giannis along with Miami and Toronto.

[El Hespiritu]

This Dm thing is disgusting, indeed.

What kind of guy would Dm someone to ask where he comes from or where he gets his leaks od if he's a burner or a multi-accoun?

I would certainly never do it.

I swear.

[Kerrsed]

This Dm thing is disgusting, indeed.

What kind of guy would Dm someone to ask where he comes from or where he gets his leaks od if he's a burner or a multi-accoun?

I would certainly never do it.

I swear.

You sounding really SUS right now!

[bwgood77]

OK, I guess he reads RealGM (though he said he doesn't in a tweet).

But he specifically said in a tweet that "I am not doing this for RealGM, twitter, etc" and then he also said "This is not Gambo's burner account"....now that was a joke I made...I seriously doubt someone DM'd him that, even though Gambo is from Jersey.

He also said he's not RayRay. That is kind of a strange thing to say if he doesn't read here...I guess someone could have DM'd him that.

Though he does follow 2 people named RayRay.

Read on Twitter

That guy could be from realgm or he could just be making a joke because he has no idea who rayray is.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it too much Kerrsed. I can say with 99.9% certainty he will keep tweeting out stuff.

Probably hard to leak real inside info though if his real name is Felix Cruz, considering the Suns and everyone else would know who he is and that he will blast it all over twitter.

The Logician pointed out that Gambo mentioned the potential Chris Paul trade first.

I guess Felix Cruz does have a radio show though... https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=270709987488622&ref=watch_permalink

[El Hespiritu]

You sounding really SUS right now!

I'm utterly offended.

Just ask @bwgood77 .

I'll take him as a witness that I would never write such a DM.

[Kerrsed]

I'll be pretty surprised if they want Oubre. I think they like DFS a lot and I think they have other creators. Porzingis can create. I think some of their guards can too. But Luka plays a lot like Harden and will iso or get the assist which is why he always has so many points and assists. I could be wrong if Dallas wants in on the deal but I think if they do the more likely case is to clear salary for next summer...DFS goes until the following summer, though it's only $4 million. But they are known as one of the 3 teams that wants to go for Giannis along with Miami and Toronto.

*Dallas has always liked Oubre, still just 24, and pursued the 6-7 standout when he was in Washington.

*The Clippers are rumored to possibly join Dallas in a four-way arrangement, and L.A. has at least two players on their roster with Mavs appeal: Front-court tough guy Montrezl Harrell and back-court tough guy Pat Beverley. The involvement of Harrell, however, would be complicated; if he’s ever Dallas-bound, a separate sign-and-trade is the more likely path.

Beverley was a premium target of Dallas' a year ago, and they conducted meetings designed to bring them together before he signed with the Clippers. Oh, and he's represented by super-agent Bill Duffy, who also happens to rep Doncic.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/could-dallas-mavs-net-suns-kelly-oubre-from-4-way-chris-paul-trade

Mavericks willing to trade anyone not named Luka Doncic or Kristaps Porzingis for third star, per report

Could a young 24 year old Oubre be that budding star?

[bwgood77]

I'll be pretty surprised if they want Oubre. I think they like DFS a lot and I think they have other creators. Porzingis can create. I think some of their guards can too. But Luka plays a lot like Harden and will iso or get the assist which is why he always has so many points and assists. I could be wrong if Dallas wants in on the deal but I think if they do the more likely case is to clear salary for next summer...DFS goes until the following summer, though it's only $4 million. But they are known as one of the 3 teams that wants to go for Giannis along with Miami and Toronto.

*Dallas has always liked Oubre, still just 24, and pursued the 6-7 standout when he was in Washington.

*The Clippers are rumored to possibly join Dallas in a four-way arrangement, and L.A. has at least two players on their roster with Mavs appeal: Front-court tough guy Montrezl Harrell and back-court tough guy Pat Beverley. The involvement of Harrell, however, would be complicated; if he’s ever Dallas-bound, a separate sign-and-trade is the more likely path.

Beverley was a premium target of Dallas' a year ago, and they conducted meetings designed to bring them together before he signed with the Clippers. Oh, and he's represented by super-agent Bill Duffy, who also happens to rep Doncic.

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/could-dallas-mavs-net-suns-kelly-oubre-from-4-way-chris-paul-trade

Mavericks willing to trade anyone not named Luka Doncic or Kristaps Porzingis for third star, per report

Could a young 24 year old Oubre be that budding star?

Oubre a star? Ha ha...they clearly want to go after Giannis..this is well known...which is why they probably like that Oubre is expiring. they could see if Oubre wants to stay if they can't get Giannis or another star quality player.

Oubre already apparently has the horse and cowboy hat.

I was gonna say he'd be a fan favorite but that's pretty impossible with Doncic around.

[Kerrsed]

Oubre a star? Ha ha...they clearly want to go after Giannis..this is well known...which is why they probably like that Oubre is expiring. they could see if Oubre wants to stay if they can't get Giannis or another star quality player.

Oubre already apparently has the horse and cowboy hat.

I was gonna say he'd be a fan favorite but that's pretty impossible with Doncic around.

Well according to reports Dallas is trying to move up into the lottery to trade that pick (And Players) to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday. So i came up with this:



Now from the outside it looks like an impossible 5 team trade, but it really isnt. Its 2 separate trades, i just had to do them together so Dallas' salary cap would reflect what it would be after my original 4 team trade, which has them taking back less money in contracts than they are sending out.

So Suns send #10 to Boston for #14/#26/#30.

Suns make my original trade, but the #14 goes to Dallas, The #18 goes to OKC, Suns get #25 & #31

Dallas then sends Wright/Kleber/#14 to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday. They then end up with an INCRDIBLE starting line-up of PatBev/Jrue/Doncic/Oubre/Porzingis

Suns still end up with CP3/DFS/WCS and also hold #25/#26/#30 along with the first pick in the 2nd round which holds value as an unguaranteed contract that allows us to nab anyone we feel like slides out of the 1st round (Which we could cause by holding 3 of the last 5 picks in the 1st).

Thunder still get their large expiring, along with young prospect with potential Shamet and move up 8 spots in the draft.

Clippers still land Rubio.

Pelicans get Ball a back-up PG (Wright), a decent back-up PF in Kleber, but also go into the draft with 2 lotto picks, #13 & #14.

[bwgood77]

Oubre a star? Ha ha...they clearly want to go after Giannis..this is well known...which is why they probably like that Oubre is expiring. they could see if Oubre wants to stay if they can't get Giannis or another star quality player.

Oubre already apparently has the horse and cowboy hat.

I was gonna say he'd be a fan favorite but that's pretty impossible with Doncic around.

Well according to reports Dallas is trying to move up into the lottery to trade that pick (And Players) to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday. So i came up with this:



Now from the outside it looks like an impossible 5 team trade, but it really isnt. Its 2 separate trades, i just had to do them together so Dallas' salary cap would reflect what it would be after my original 4 team trade, which has them taking back less money in contracts than they are sending out.

So Suns send #10 to Boston for #14/#26/#30.

Suns make my original trade, but the #14 goes to Dallas, The #18 goes to OKC, Suns get #25 & #31

Dallas then sends Wright/Kleber/#14 to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday. They then end up with an INCRDIBLE starting line-up of PatBev/Jrue/Doncic/Oubre/Porzingis

Suns still end up with CP3/DFS/WCS and also hold #25/#26/#30 along with the first pick in the 2nd round which holds value as an unguaranteed contract that allows us to nab anyone we feel like slides out of the 1st round (Which we could cause by holding 3 of the last 5 picks in the 1st).

Thunder still get their large expiring, along with young prospect with potential Shamet and move up 8 spots in the draft.

Clippers still land Rubio.

Pelicans get Ball a back-up PG (Wright), a decent back-up PF in Kleber, but also go into the draft with 2 lotto picks, #13 & #14.

Nice! You take away a combined 24 wins from 3 teams with that move and add 21 to us! Should help us in the playoff race! Clips get the other 3 wins but they would have made playoffs anyway.

[Kerrsed]

These teams really need to start paying me for my genius. I keep giving away these great ideas for nothing. Spending all this time researching, going over the figures, making moneyball moves........

[Kerrsed]

Nice! You take away a combined 24 wins from 3 teams with that move and add 21 to us! Should help us in the playoff race! Clips get the other 3 wins but they would have made playoffs anyway.

You know better than to believe in the projected wins stat on trade machines!

[bwgood77]

Nice! You take away a combined 24 wins from 3 teams with that move and add 21 to us! Should help us in the playoff race! Clips get the other 3 wins but they would have made playoffs anyway.

You know better than to believe in the projected wins stat on trade machines!

I also know better than to never doubt your desire to get us Willie Cauley Stein.

[49erhokie827]

The more media coverage this CP3 trade gets the less likely I believe it will happen. Just seems to always happen that way.

[Kerrsed]

Nice! You take away a combined 24 wins from 3 teams with that move and add 21 to us! Should help us in the playoff race! Clips get the other 3 wins but they would have made playoffs anyway.

You know better than to believe in the projected wins stat on trade machines!

I also know better than to never doubt your desire to get us Willie Cauley Stein.

Hey now, its been YEARS since i put WCS in a trade!

[cberry78]

Oubre a star? Ha ha...they clearly want to go after Giannis..this is well known...which is why they probably like that Oubre is expiring. they could see if Oubre wants to stay if they can't get Giannis or another star quality player.

Oubre already apparently has the horse and cowboy hat.

I was gonna say he'd be a fan favorite but that's pretty impossible with Doncic around.

Well according to reports Dallas is trying to move up into the lottery to trade that pick (And Players) to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday. So i came up with this:

Spoiler:

Now from the outside it looks like an impossible 5 team trade, but it really isnt. Its 2 separate trades, i just had to do them together so Dallas' salary cap would reflect what it would be after my original 4 team trade, which has them taking back less money in contracts than they are sending out.

So Suns send #10 to Boston for #14/#26/#30.

Suns make my original trade, but the #14 goes to Dallas, The #18 goes to OKC, Suns get #25 & #31

Dallas then sends Wright/Kleber/#14 to New Orleans for Jrue Holiday. They then end up with an INCRDIBLE starting line-up of PatBev/Jrue/Doncic/Oubre/Porzingis

Suns still end up with CP3/DFS/WCS and also hold #25/#26/#30 along with the first pick in the 2nd round which holds value as an unguaranteed contract that allows us to nab anyone we feel like slides out of the 1st round (Which we could cause by holding 3 of the last 5 picks in the 1st).

Thunder still get their large expiring, along with young prospect with potential Shamet and move up 8 spots in the draft.

Clippers still land Rubio.

Pelicans get Ball a back-up PG (Wright), a decent back-up PF in Kleber, but also go into the draft with 2 lotto picks, #13 & #14.

I think you need to add 1 more team.

[MathiasPW]

Just look on Papi's face.

Try to figure out what he's thinking.

See what I mean?

"Let's go Artax, we've been sent away"