Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[TB]

Embrace the smallball everybody (offseason scenario #1,395)...

#2 and Looney for #6 and Collins (assuming hawks are in love with someone at 2 and don't want to overpay Collins)
Draft Okoro.
2nds and cash to move up for Tillman.
TPE Rubio.
MLE Gallinari.

Steph / Rubio / Bowman
Klay / Okoro / Poole
Wiggins / Gallo / Lee
Dray / Paschall / Smiley
Collins / Chriss / Tillman

lol on #1,395.

But really the Warriors made their mark going against the grain by going small.

If Warriors go mostly small with big wings and Draymond...I still think they run through Lakers. Big mistake trying to suddenly match the big guys like AD and Joker. No.....the big traditional center is NOT back. AD is a stretch PF. Joker is not going to help defend any team against a legit small ball line up with a bunch of shooters.

Agreed. If we end up with a good traditional center (wiseman, maybe Jonas Val, etc), sure that would be fine. But I wouldn't go desperately chasing one if we can go small with a really good offensive lineup that has some defensive potential switching everything.

[TB]

Warriors have a 17.2 million trade exception.
Aldridge has a 24 million contract for 2020/21
That means that they can trade for Aldridge by giving a player who has 7 million contract plus trade exception?
Do I understand this well?

Nope, can't add players alongside the TPE.

There are possibly some scenarios where we use the TPE on someone 17m, then trade that player + Looneys contract for Aldridge. But I don't know if we'd be allowed to trade that player alongside another player that soon. But even then we are talking about dropping back in the draft, losing looney, and losing the TPE for a 35 year old Aldridge.

The more likely scenario is Wiggins and #2 for Aldridge and #11. Which i'd be very against doing.

[ChuckDurn]

Warriors have a 17.2 million trade exception.
Aldridge has a 24 million contract for 2020/21
That means that they can trade for Aldridge by giving a player who has 7 million contract plus trade exception?
Do I understand this well?

No.

You can't combine the value of a trade exception with another player in order to acquire a player with a salary larger than the trade exception.

The way to think of a trade exception is that it's a "player(s) to be named later" from a trade that was executed already. You can take players into that spot, even from a different team. But you can't just start sending additional players back out and expand that original trade.

[vagelis]

Warriors have a 17.2 million trade exception.
Aldridge has a 24 million contract for 2020/21
That means that they can trade for Aldridge by giving a player who has 7 million contract plus trade exception?
Do I understand this well?

Nope, can't add players alongside the TPE.

There are possibly some scenarios where we use the TPE on someone 17m, then trade that player + Looneys contract for Aldridge. But I don't know if we'd be allowed to trade that player alongside another player that soon. But even then we are talking about dropping back in the draft, losing looney, and losing the TPE for a 35 year old Aldridge.

The more likely scenario is Wiggins and #2 for Aldridge and #11. Which i'd be very against doing.

Ok thanks for the info.
If Warriors would not have to drop back in the draft then it could be a good move.
Using another team and get Aldridge for TPE+Looney

[HiRez]

To me that's not good value, giving up a #2 pick for a 35 year old, and we have to give up Looney too? #11 isn't the worst place to pick but it's kind of on the cusp between the top players and the next tier down. Plus I just feel like LMA would force us into a lot more slow-paced half court situations which is not ideal for us. I would pass on this deal.

[Commodor]

With the HOU meltdown apparently in full swing what are the chances we capitalize?

My idea is to use part of the TPE to acquire PJ Tucker (7.969m in 21’). He fills into the Iguodala role perfectly and recreates our death line up.

Shams and a few others reported today Tucker is “irate” over his salary situation. Doesn’t seem the Rockets are looking to spend more so maybe we can offer some big savings in the TPE along with some picks.

I’d hope it would only take the #48 and GSW 21 FRP.

We probably can’t keep him long term, but we would give him a great shot to contend and showcase his talents for free agency.

[ChuckDurn]

With the HOU meltdown apparently in full swing what are the chances we capitalize?

My idea is to use part of the TPE to acquire PJ Tucker (7.969m in 21’). He fills into the Iguodala role perfectly and recreates our death line up.

Shams and a few others reported today Tucker is “irate” over his salary situation. Doesn’t seem the Rockets are looking to spend more so maybe we can offer some big savings in the TPE along with some picks.

I’d hope it would only take the #48 and GSW 21 FRP.

We probably can’t keep him long term, but we would give him a great shot to contend and showcase his talents for free agency.

If the Rockets look to move Tucker, which I find unlikely, they could certainly get a better offer for him than that. I'm not sure what we could really offer, because we obviously wouldn't want to give up the Minnesota pick, but there's not much between those to widely divergent values......

[Little Digger]

One potential scenario could involve the Thunder. If reports that they are interested in moving up to draft Ball are true, and Ball is available at No. 2, the Warriors could target Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. At 22 years old, Gilgeous-Alexander threads the needle of having the potential to develop into a multi-time All-Star while also being able to contribute right away. Last season for the Thunder, Gilgeous-Alexander averaged 19.0 points, 5.9 rebounds and 3.3 assists per game.

Something to think about: Has Golden State’s reported interest in Wiseman spooked Charlotte enough to move up to No. 1 to take the former Memphis center, thereby leaving Ball on the board? This would be some impressive chess-playing by Myers.

The trade exception

News that teams will receive luxury tax relief has made using the trade exception more palatable to the Warriors.

Read more about that here. But, after the draft, Golden State figures to be a major player in deals to absorb unwanted salary. Potential scenarios range from simple (Rudy Gay from the Spurs at $14 million) to the complicated (the Warriors swooping in as part of a three-team trade to take an unwanted contract.)

There are several players who make less than $17.2 million whose current teams might be motivated to move, but not a lot who make sense for Golden State. Names that keep popping up include Gay, Eric Bledsoe, Robert Convington, Evan Fournier, Kelly Olynyk and Kelly Oubre.
But Myers mentioned a willingness to take back unwanted salary in order to add assets. The price for the Warriors begins at a first-round pick (though it all depends on the player, salary, and where that pick projects to be).
Keep an eye on what happens with Chris Paul and the Suns. Should a deal materialize, the Warriors could take advantage of Oklahoma City’s unwillingness to take back salary that matches the $41 million owed to Paul. Ditto for whatever team trades for Holiday, though matching salary there is less complicated




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[Hopper15]

Let's get one of those Houston picks that OKC has to take on one year of Oubre in a CP3 salary dump to Phoenix.
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[DevinVassell]

One potential scenario could involve the Thunder. If reports that they are interested in moving up to draft Ball are true, and Ball is available at No. 2, the Warriors could target Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. At 22 years old, Gilgeous-Alexander threads the needle of having the potential to develop into a multi-time All-Star while also being able to contribute right away. Last season for the Thunder, Gilgeous-Alexander averaged 19.0 points, 5.9 rebounds and 3.3 assists per game.

So the Thunder want to trade their best player who is on a rookie friendly contract for the next two years and is already proven for a chance to try and hit on Ball?

[ChuckDurn]

One potential scenario could involve the Thunder. If reports that they are interested in moving up to draft Ball are true, and Ball is available at No. 2, the Warriors could target Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. At 22 years old, Gilgeous-Alexander threads the needle of having the potential to develop into a multi-time All-Star while also being able to contribute right away. Last season for the Thunder, Gilgeous-Alexander averaged 19.0 points, 5.9 rebounds and 3.3 assists per game.

So the Thunder want to trade their best player who is on a rookie friendly contract for the next two years and is already proven for a chance to try and hit on Ball?

Maybe we could get get the Mavericks to trade us Doncic, so they get a chance at Avdija at #2. Seems similarly smart for them.

[Mylie10]

I think Alexander is the guy the Thunder will try and keep during this overhaul.

[ChuckDurn]

I think Alexander is the guy the Thunder will try and keep during this overhaul.

Almost certainly. I think they're looking at it like this:
1. SGA - virtually untouchable
2. Bazley - would take a lot to pry him out
3. Horde of draft picks - they've stack-ranked them, and some of the Houston picks are now precious with a potential implosion in Rocket-land
4. Dort - would entertain fair offers
Everybody else - expendable.

[Commodor]

I have posted this before I am pretty sure, but wanted to bring it up again with rumors swirling.

Let's say HOU decides Harden is the problem, and moving him for max value and salvaging WB is preferred to just hoping Harden can hero ball it.

GSW Out: Wiggins, #2, #48, #51, MIN 21'
GSW In: Simmons

GSW brings in Simmons as a super-iguodala role. Limits their options to fill out the roster, but the new big 4 is formidable.

HOU Out: Harden, Gordon
HOU In: Wiggins, Horford, #2, #21, #48, #51, MIN 21'

HOU builds around WB. WB-Roco-Wiggins-Tucker-Horford is a pretty formidable team that compliments a WB style floor general to run things. Get a ton of picks to replenish their youth.

PHI Out Simmons, Horford, #21
PHI In: Harden, Gordon

Philly lands Harden. Gordon is a little bit for salary offsetting, but also provides outside shooting the team needs.

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7347226

[jason bourne]

The Suns prolly won't trade Kelly Oubre...

Watch on YouTube

Nice jersey, but will they be sued for calling it the City Edition?

[azwfan]

Let's get one of those Houston picks that OKC has to take on one year of Oubre in a CP3 salary dump to Phoenix.
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The guy OKC doesnt want in the CP3 talks is Rubio (he has 2 years left on his deal).
I would definitely take Rubio for the Suns/OKC if we can get a 1st out of it (doesn't even need to be a particularly good 1st, just needs to be in the future). I'd even be generous and kick in #52.

[Hopper15]

Let's get one of those Houston picks that OKC has to take on one year of Oubre in a CP3 salary dump to Phoenix.
.

The guy OKC doesnt want in the CP3 talks is Rubio (he has 2 years left on his deal).
I would definitely take Rubio for the Suns/OKC if we can get a 1st out of it (doesn't even need to be a particularly good 1st, just needs to be in the future). I'd even be generous and kick in #52.

Two years should get you two picks?

[Little Digger]

Ball-Curry-Thompson would be one hell of a show in the backcourt ..I love great passers so I’m for it if Kerr is...Klay could play a little 3 to make the minutes work out..

But just like with Wiseman, I’d prefer a trade down..not a big believer that the top 3 in this draft are better than the next 5

[azwfan]

Let's get one of those Houston picks that OKC has to take on one year of Oubre in a CP3 salary dump to Phoenix.
.

The guy OKC doesnt want in the CP3 talks is Rubio (he has 2 years left on his deal).
I would definitely take Rubio for the Suns/OKC if we can get a 1st out of it (doesn't even need to be a particularly good 1st, just needs to be in the future). I'd even be generous and kick in #52.

Two years should get you two picks?

I'm guessing we'd be competing against other teams that may be open to taking on money for pick(s) - like Detroit. Maybe we can make OKC or PHX take Smiley which frees up a roster spot for someone that may actually help - or may actually be worth developing.

At any rate, though he isn't someone I would necessarily go after, Rubio makes some sense for us on the court. He's an additional ball handler, good defender, and his 3pt shot is adequate now. Pretty expensive for us to take him on at $17M, but he's quality and would be in our rotation. We may even be watchable even if Curry takes a night off.

[azwfan]

Ball-Curry-Thompson would be one hell of a show in the backcourt ..I love great passers so I’m for it if Kerr is...Klay could play a little 3 to make the minutes work out..

But just like with Wiseman, I’d prefer a trade down..not a big believer that the top 3 in this draft are better than the next 5

I'm willing to take the risk with Wiseman at 2. The only way I prefer a trade down off of Wiseman (other than some knock out offer) is if we land Okoro in the process. I'm convinced Okoro will help us compete year 1. I just think Wiseman has more upside and I'm willing to take the swing for him. BUT if we can get even something minor PLUS Okoro i'm down with that. Okoro has more of the mentality I'd be looking for too.

If we trade down off of Wiseman and end up with Deni, I'm going to be very disappointed. While a good player, Lamar Odom Hedo Turkoglu upside is not what I'm looking for out of this high of a pick.