Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[puppa bear]

Last few seasons : "why did we trade all these our picks"
This season " Trade our next thee firsts"

RealGM at its best.

We didn’t want to trade our picks away prematurely. Now we’re on the cusp and not having pick flexibility may cost us on the trade market

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

Go all in for Harden. Apparently he has us in his preferred list. Way better fit that Giannis who adds nothing for us. Harden doesn't have to shoulder as big a load and his defensive liabilities can be hidden here.
A core of Jimmy, Harden and Bam could win it all for us.
I wish we could keep 1 of Herro/Duncan though..

[Miami590]

Gallo in the Olynyk role, whether starting or on the bench, is a terrific upgrade.

I'm skeptical though if he is brought in to replace Crowder.

Given Gallo would at minimum be getting the MLE, you'd have to assume this means Jae is a goner. He should be able to get MLE money somewhere himself.

Would be a miracle otherwise.

We can use our full MLE and still be able to bring back Dragic and Crowder. We’ll only become a hard capped team if we use our BAE or do a sign and trade.

[Kobewade11]

Go all in for Harden. Apparently he has us in his preferred list. Way better fit that Giannis who adds nothing for us. Harden doesn't have to shoulder as big a load and his defensive liabilities can be hidden here.
A core of Jimmy, Harden and Bam could win it all for us.
I wish we could keep 1 of Herro/Duncan though..

We cant be this spoiled and delusional of a fanbase to think that a two time MVP would add “nothing” to this team, even if there are other players out there that may be a better skill fit on the surface.

[twix2500]

Go all in for Harden. Apparently he has us in his preferred list. Way better fit that Giannis who adds nothing for us. Harden doesn't have to shoulder as big a load and his defensive liabilities can be hidden here.
A core of Jimmy, Harden and Bam could win it all for us.
I wish we could keep 1 of Herro/Duncan though..

We cant be this spoiled and delusional of a fanbase to think that a two time MVP would add “nothing” to this team, even if there are other players out there that may be a better skill fit on the surface.

Yeah I smh head when I see someone say a star player doesnt fit. That is why you got role players to make everything fit. Its why certain role players are called a glue player. They make the larger pieces fit.. ie Battier, Chalmers, Haslem etc.

Many of us are trying to build backwards by trying find star players who fit the role players. Instead of getting the star then find the complementary role players.

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[RonaldSeikaly]

Go all in for Harden. Apparently he has us in his preferred list. Way better fit that Giannis who adds nothing for us. Harden doesn't have to shoulder as big a load and his defensive liabilities can be hidden here.
A core of Jimmy, Harden and Bam could win it all for us.
I wish we could keep 1 of Herro/Duncan though..

We cant be this spoiled and delusional of a fanbase to think that a two time MVP would add “nothing” to this team, even if there are other players out there that may be a better skill fit on the surface.

It’s one thing to say somebody is not the perfect fit where we can get the maximum out of both players. It’s another thing to say arguably the best player in the world won’t add anything...He’d obviously make us the favorites to win a title


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[Bishop45]

Don't let Iggie come back before this deal is done god

PS - I have not idea who that guy is, but Beal > Harden for this team right now.

Beal might not be better than Jimmy

He can never be >>> Harden

4 years younger,
Hungrier,
Better 3 point shooter,
Makes 10Mil$ less per year,
Fits the culture better,
Fits our offense better.

Lmao, he could be 10 years younger and never be the player Harden is

Hungrier? Lol based on what? Him getting to the second round like a decade ago, seriously, I'm interested in this answer

Over half of that is conjecture. Harden's at least TWO tiers ahead of him-- just admit that it's hate and not his age or income. Admit it.

[Bishop45]

Go all in for Harden. Apparently he has us in his preferred list. Way better fit that Giannis who adds nothing for us. Harden doesn't have to shoulder as big a load and his defensive liabilities can be hidden here.
A core of Jimmy, Harden and Bam could win it all for us.
I wish we could keep 1 of Herro/Duncan though..

We cant be this spoiled and delusional of a fanbase to think that a two time MVP would add “nothing” to this team, even if there are other players out there that may be a better skill fit on the surface.

Yeah I smh head when I see someone say a star player doesnt fit. That is why you got role players to make everything fit. Its why certain role players are called a glue player. They make the larger pieces fit.. ie Battier, Chalmers, Haslem etc.

Many of us are trying to build backwards by trying find star players who fit the role players. Instead of getting the star then find the complementary role players.

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Yea', I'm not in love with Giannis's game or his fit with Butler/Bam but you trade for him in a second if you get the opportunity to

[DayofMourning]

Heard were going to trade for Westbrook. Bams the player were giving up.

[MHeat0279]

Heard were going to trade for Westbrook. Bams the player were giving up.

you have got to be kidding me right.

[DayofMourning]

Heard were going to trade for Westbrook. Bams the player were giving up.

you have got to be kidding me right.

Nope. Bam and the 20th for Brodie.

[twix2500]

As we all learn from the big three era, its really only room for two star player in a system. The third has to become more of a role player with momentary star performances. Giannis and Harden taking 19 plus shots either Bam or Butler will be regulated in a role player mode. After adding a alpha star I really doubt we will continue the everyone gets a shining moment.

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[goodboy]

Heard were going to trade for Westbrook. Bams the player were giving up.

you have got to be kidding me right.

Patrick is just drink.

Don't listen to him.

[carnageta]

As we all learn from the big three era, its really only room for two star player in a system. The third has to become more of a role player with momentary star performances. Giannis and Harden taking 19 plus shots either Bam or Butler will be regulated in a role player mode. After adding a alpha star I really doubt we will continue the everyone gets a shining moment.

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Not necessarily true. Klay was still Klay after the Warriors added KD. It’s all about fit.


I highly doubt Butler would care if his scoring dropped from 20ppg to 17-18 ppg. He’d probably be happier.

[Hallstar]

Heard were going to trade for Westbrook. Bams the player were giving up.

you have got to be kidding me right.

Nope. Bam and the 20th for Brodie.

lol, you want these dudes on here to start day drinking

[dshearn]

Heard were going to trade for Westbrook. Bams the player were giving up.

you have got to be kidding me right.

Nope. Bam and the 20th for Brodie.

eh.......


Then an entire fan base went flaccid.....

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

Go all in for Harden. Apparently he has us in his preferred list. Way better fit that Giannis who adds nothing for us. Harden doesn't have to shoulder as big a load and his defensive liabilities can be hidden here.
A core of Jimmy, Harden and Bam could win it all for us.
I wish we could keep 1 of Herro/Duncan though..

We cant be this spoiled and delusional of a fanbase to think that a two time MVP would add “nothing” to this team, even if there are other players out there that may be a better skill fit on the surface.

Ahh yes.. Pray do tell what area or advantage the 2 time MVP gives us compared to our present makeup over other contenders.

Not every MVP is equal! Why we have someone here scoffing at the idea of getting Westbrook. He was an MVP too.

I hope the Heat FO realises the value of someone like Giannis Vs someone like Harden. You what we've been spoiled by. We've been spoiled by an excellent system and lulled into thinking that any good player would work for us. I can't believe I still see someone calming that Giannis is damn near the best player . He is not close to it. With a Healthy Curry and KD, he is barely scratching top 10 and has severe limitations to his game. He isn't LeBron ! Far far from it. Also, his MVPs are Derrick Rose/ Westbrook like.

[RexBoyWonder]

It's mot even about whether you like Giannis over Harden as a player or as a fit.

It's about ADDING Giannis as opposed to TRADING for Harden.

One will cost you our best assets (Picks + Herro + Duncan + more) when the other cost us nothing if we wait a year.

[Hallstar]

It's mot even about whether you like Giannis over Harden as a player or as a fit.

It's about ADDING Giannis as opposed to TRADING for Harden.

One will cost you our best assets (Picks + Herro + Duncan + more) when the other cost us nothing if we wait a year.

But trading for one guarantees him here, we have nothing but whispers of possibility with Giannis.

[RexBoyWonder]

Beal might not be better than Jimmy

He can never be >>> Harden

4 years younger,
Hungrier,
Better 3 point shooter,
Makes 10Mil$ less per year,
Fits the culture better,
Fits our offense better.

Lmao, he could be 10 years younger and never be the player Harden is

Hungrier? Lol based on what? Him getting to the second round like a decade ago, seriously, I'm interested in this answer

Over half of that is conjecture. Harden's at least TWO tiers ahead of him-- just admit that it's hate and not his age or income. Admit it.

I Admittedly don't like anything about Harden, it's no secret.

His style is unbearable to watch, he plays in a way that will REDUCE everyone else on the team, he's the Anti-Jimmy.

It's proven now that Harden's style doesn't win when it matters (playoffs, for many years now) and now he's starting to exit his prime when Beal is entering his.

Beal has been nothing but a soldier his all career despite being stuck on horrible team with an horrible org, he just keeps pushing and getting better every year being a team player, he's in great shape and if you ever heard him talk shop you know he lives and breaths the game.
Harden drove away EVERY star he played with and he played with a TON of talent, couldn't make it work with Durant, Westbrook, CP3, Dwight, he always underperforms in money time, usually by a lot, some of the most epic playoff collapses all time, his entire current team wants out from Houston and the guy is supposed to lead a team to the ship? come on now. He needs to get in shape first.

I'd take Beal over him given their ages and contracts for this team. Beal will also cost less trade assets.

Harden is just everything we're not - He's all about the stats, not even trying on defense, his own style, Hero-ball, regular season wins, shrinking under the bright lights.

If you really don't care about fit at all and advocating putting talent above all - I'd love to hear why we should take Harden over Giannis.