Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[RookieStar]

So in person workouts have been
Vassell, Hampton, Mannion
Anyone else?

Based on hoopshype.. you can add Lewis to those working out. Maxey only interviewed with us.

[Ducklett]

Maybe the guy they want to trade up for IS Nesmith. I don't see him being available at 15.

You may very well be correct, but most of the mocks and draft heads think he should be there at 15ish.

Who are you following? Outside of the Ringer, everyone seems to have him in the lottery.

There is a NBA draft excel spreadsheet that gives you averages for players based on like 10 places and they had at ~17.

Sports betting has Nesmith at 15 as well. I am usually going to look at the people who put their money where their mouth is.

[The Effect]

Please don't let it be Devin Vessell. Dude is a 3D player with a low ceiling. It is just not intriguing enough. I'd be contend with Deni, Hayes and Edwards. I am all in on Edwards. Dude has star potential none of the rest have

I disagree on 3D projection for Vassell. I truly believe he can be more. He'll flourish off-ball and he'll grow into a really good on-ball player. He has the tools to develop with ball in his hands. High IQ, willing passer, and not afraid of the big shots.

I haven't even touched the defense.

Vassell is probably the only player I wouldn't mind losing AG for. Not only does he fit the mould but he compliments the other young players perfectly.

Fultz-Vassell-Isaac-Okeke-Bamba

He has the ball handling of a middle school player and no 1 on 1 offensive game

On offense he's strictly a "stand at the 3pt line and wait for a catch-and-shoot play" guy. So yeah, he's solely a 3d guy

[Xatticus]

Please don't let it be Devin Vessell. Dude is a 3D player with a low ceiling. It is just not intriguing enough. I'd be contend with Deni, Hayes and Edwards. I am all in on Edwards. Dude has star potential none of the rest have

I disagree on 3D projection for Vassell. I truly believe he can be more. He'll flourish off-ball and he'll grow into a really good on-ball player. He has the tools to develop with ball in his hands. High IQ, willing passer, and not afraid of the big shots.

I haven't even touched the defense.

Vassell is probably the only player I wouldn't mind losing AG for. Not only does he fit the mould but he compliments the other young players perfectly.

Fultz-Vassell-Isaac-Okeke-Bamba

He has the ball handling of a middle school player and no 1 on 1 offensive game

On offense he's strictly a "stand at the 3pt line and wait for a catch-and-shoot play" guy. So yeah, he's solely a 3d guy

He's really special defensively and he will probably hit open shots. That's a really good player. He does a lot of the little things that make a defensive unit really good. He will bail out teammates in the same way that Isaac does. Not many guards bring rim protection. This front office certainly seems to value defensive potential. He looks a lot like Mikal Bridges. I love Bridges' game, so I'd be really happy to get Vassell. Bridges is a better finisher and seemed to have a better overall shooting profile than Vassell. I'm not completely sold on Vassell's shot. His free throw shooting has been middling and we are talking about a total of 70 made threes in two years.

It would be rather frustrating to give up Gordon to move up and snag Vassell when we could've moved back to get Bridges a couple years ago. If Vassell falls to us, I'd be ecstatic. I still expect us to pick up a playmaker at some point regardless.

[pepe1991]

One of key reasons i want Nesmith is because how safe that pick is.
At apsolute worst he will be catch&shoot, good defense wing. Being 6'6- 220 he already has nba body. I don't give a damn about his lack of passing if i'm getting constantly moving, active off ball player that understands angles and knows how to use space.

I think his objective comparison is Bojan Bogdanovic. Not most athletic guy but understands what he is good at. Unlike other young players he is not trying to outjump guys, rather outsmart them. His little pumpfake- sends shot defender in air- moves 1 step on side- shoots - is thing of beauty and clear understanding of basketball and how to use your strenghts in best fashion.

Vassell is more "green" and still lacks purpose in his game when he gets the ball. There is whole lof of "i'm more athletic than you so i'll try to outrun you, oh crap i'm stuck in middle of a dribble, let me take bad floater or stepback 2 " thing going with him, witch is remark of unexperienced player that is yet to figure out his whole game and define what he can and can't do.

Vassell might have more potential (i'm not sure) but Nesmith is better at what he does best. Shoot, move, space, angles.

I'm not sure that Edwards will develop in good player. There is some striking similarity with him and Wiggins that every time they don't know what to do with ball -they take jumpshot
This is why guy took 245 threes while being 29% three point shooter. It's almost guaranteed he will be below average nba shooter for first few years ( maybe for most of his career, depending ).

[Skin]

It's Edwards, then a toss up between Nesmith and Vassell for me. Yesterday Nesmith, today Vassell, tomorrow Nesmith, next week Vassell. If draft day is today, I probably hedge Vassell.

Edwards is the transcendent talent that can be a go-to scorer, the face of the franchise and carry this team into it's next era if he pans out. I have no issues with him other than maybe his overconfidence.

Nesmith has a nice blend of many things you look for, but you wonder how much will translate with questions surrounding his athleticism, handle, creating his own space and playmaking. 14 games is not a lot to go off of, but damn did he stroke it.

Vassell will contribute on defense from Day 1, so Clifford can trust him right away. I personally feel like he is capable of being more than a 3 and D guy, but he has to have the mindset for it. Can he be as aggressive as I want him to be? I had dreams of Aaron Gordon being aggressive, but those never came to fruition because it's not in his mindset. The way Vassell moves reminds me of a young McGrady. Long, wiry, upright.

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[drsd]

League sources say the Magic are attempting to move up into the lottery by packaging this pick with Aaron Gordon.

Kevin O'Connor of The Ringer in his latest mock - https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

It would say a lot about the trade value of Gordon if the Magic can't move him along with the 15th pick just to move up 5-7 draft spots in a weak draft.

I would think Gordon and #15 is about moving to the top-5 of the draft. Moving up 5-7 draft spots would be something like a trade with Knicks that would bring back more assets than just a #8. Gordon and #15 for Portis and #8 sounds about right.

Actually I like that trade for both teams.

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[drsd]

Please don't let it be Devin Vessell. Dude is a 3D player with a low ceiling. It is just not intriguing enough. I'd be contend with Deni, Hayes and Edwards. I am all in on Edwards. Dude has star potential none of the rest have

I disagree on 3D projection for Vassell. I truly believe he can be more. He'll flourish off-ball and he'll grow into a really good on-ball player. He has the tools to develop with ball in his hands. High IQ, willing passer, and not afraid of the big shots.

I haven't even touched the defense.

Vassell is probably the only player I wouldn't mind losing AG for. Not only does he fit the mould but he compliments the other young players perfectly.

Fultz-Vassell-Isaac-Okeke-Bamba

And-1

Aaron Nesmith is the 3D guard option of this draft. Vassell has a lot more to offer over all (but probably will never be as gifted a shorter as Nesmith).

Frankly I am hopeful the Magic come out of this draft with one of those two though, as either would be a great apprentice to Fournier and would learn a lot from Ross about dedication and shooting form in the NBA-style.

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[drsd]

It's Edwards, then a toss up between Nesmith and Vassell for me.

And-1

I agree that the Magic really should aspire to come out of this draft with the best possible 2-guard.


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[Nyce_1]

I like this MOCK...

https://t.co/yH1bJt7UVo

[The Effect]

I wonder how many people on this board would like Vessell if he didnt play for FSU and instead played for say Michigan?

Its hilarious how much FSU gets overrated on this board. Between Isaac, Bacon, Mann and now Vessell, and Williams, youd think FSU was a national championship winner ever year the way those guys get hyped

[Tarheel]

I like this MOCK...

https://t.co/yH1bJt7UVo

Me too! If Hayes and Vassell are there at 15 I'll eat my hat.

[MagicFan101]

I wonder how many people on this board would like Vessell if he didnt play for FSU and instead played for say Michigan?

Its hilarious how much FSU gets overrated on this board. Between Isaac, Bacon, Mann and now Vessell, and Williams, youd think FSU was a national championship winner ever year the way those guys get hyped

As an FSU alum myself, I can say I disagree a bit on this.

Obviously there is bias as I / we are more familiar with these players given we follow the team more closely. However, that also opens the door for more scrutiny.

Patrick Williams is a nice prospect many have recently pushed ahead of Vassell yet I recently included him on my “Do not draft” list along with Cole Anthony.

Bacon and Mann were players I had little draft interest in as well.

Isaac was a different story. I was very intrigued by him ... I believe my faith is paying off — minus the injuries.

Vassell compliments Isaac and Fultz very well. He would be a fantastic addition to this roster.

Unfortunately, Vassell lacks the one thing we need more than anything which is star power. ... still, every team can benefit from a player like Devin Vassell. The question is, is he worth trading up for?

Giving up AG + #15 to get Vassell would be a tough sell. If we already owned say the #9 pick and Vassell was sitting there for the taking it would be a great story.

[Nyce_1]

I wonder how many people on this board would like Vessell if he didnt play for FSU and instead played for say Michigan?

Its hilarious how much FSU gets overrated on this board. Between Isaac, Bacon, Mann and now Vessell, and Williams, youd think FSU was a national championship winner ever year the way those guys get hyped

Speaking for myself only, I don't give a **** where a player goes to school. I'll always favor 2-way players over potentially good offensive players.

If we didn't have Fultz, I'd be clamoring for 1 of the PG/combo-guards. But I think we're set at that position. Vassell, in garnet and gold, different country flag, or one of the ugly orange combos, would get my pick to join my favorite NBA team.

And if not for COVID, FSU would've won the tourney this year. Noles traded football relevancy for basketball, lol.

[fendilim]

https://www.espn.co.uk/basketball/story/_/id/30302076/ranking-top-30-nba-prospects

[Def Swami]

I'd like to see Vassell shoot 100 jumpers in a gym to make sure he didn't change his shot before I commit to him.

[RookieStar]

I'd like to see Vassell shoot 100 jumpers in a gym to make sure he didn't change his shot before I commit to him.

Well as long as its all about form only. I mean how many times have e been fooled about players making 80% of their 3s in an empty gym lol.

[Bensational]

Vassell looks like the guard version of Isaac to me. Better ballhandling but still not great. Shooting is a question, but the defense will be exceptional.

An Isaac/Okeke/Vassell lineup would be a defensive wrecking ball. If Bamba pans out then that's a hydra of length and rim protection. The PG would need to be Dame level to carry the offense though, which would make Vuc a better C candidate than Bamba - especially with do much weakside help available.

[MagicFan101]

Vassell looks like the guard version of Isaac to me. Better ballhandling but still not great. Shooting is a question, but the defense will be exceptional.

An Isaac/Okeke/Vassell lineup would be a defensive wrecking ball. If Bamba pans out then that's a hydra of length and rim protection. The PG would need to be Dame level to carry the offense though, which would make Vuc a better C candidate than Bamba - especially with do much weakside help available.

I like a Vuc / Bamba C rotation in this situation.

I don’t care where Bamba was drafted or the “wasted draft value” narrative anymore. That is the past. We have the players we have unless someone is offering an all-star guard for Vuc in a trade.

[Bensational]

Vassell looks like the guard version of Isaac to me. Better ballhandling but still not great. Shooting is a question, but the defense will be exceptional.

An Isaac/Okeke/Vassell lineup would be a defensive wrecking ball. If Bamba pans out then that's a hydra of length and rim protection. The PG would need to be Dame level to carry the offense though, which would make Vuc a better C candidate than Bamba - especially with do much weakside help available.

I like a Vuc / Bamba C rotation in this situation.

I don’t care where Bamba was drafted or the “wasted draft value” narrative anymore. That is the past. We have the players we have unless someone is offering an all-star guard for Vuc in a trade.

Like I was saying, with so much defense already at 2-4 you'd want strong offensive options at the 1 and 5. I'm not down on Bamba, but if we needed to add him to Fultz and some more value to get a lead scoring 1 then I wouldn't have a problem with it.