2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[fbalmeida]

Ibaka S&T for Eric Grodon?

Or is Gordon's salary too high?

its too long, 4 years, last year not guaranteed.

Fair enough. What about Covington?

I like.

I'd go for a deal that delivers us either Kleber or Covington.

Ultimately...

Oladipo
Tim Hardaway
Fournier
Oubre
Robert Covington
Dinwiddie
Dillon Brooks
RJ Barrett

Are pretty much doable by moving Ibaka, Norm, or both.

[pr0gr4m]

Siakam for Harden
Re-sign Ibaka
Let FVV walk
Gallinari MLE
Powell + Stan + McCaw for Kevin Love
Draft Nnaji and Winston

Ibaka/Nnaji
Love/Gallo
OG/Watson
Harden/Davis
Lowry/Winston

Rest Love and Gallinari for the playoffs by not playing them too much in the regular season.

[TheAlchemist]

If we re-sign FVV,

Fred Van Vleet + Powell + TD + 2 1st round picks FOR James Harden at the trade deadline. It works in the trade checker too.

Lowry
Harden
OG
Siakam
Ibaka

..We'd be in the championship finals again folks.

If Giannis wants to come, you still got the Lowry expiring to flip over or a S&T with Ibaka , or whatever. Heck flip Siakam. But still, I think James is going to be good until he's 34. He's one helluva skill based guard.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Siakam for Harden
Re-sign Ibaka
Let FVV walk
Gallinari MLE
Powell + Stan + McCaw for Kevin Love
Draft Nnaji and Winston

Ibaka/Nnaji
Love/Gallo
OG/Watson
Harden/Davis
Lowry/Winston

Rest Love and Gallinari for the playoffs by not playing them too much in the regular season.

1) Houston isn't stupid, they're not going to do that deal. Siakam can be great but Harden is great.
2) okay you resign Ibaka to what term?
3) Depends on the money offered to Freddy. If it's in the $17-$21 million for 3-4 years you bring him back
4) Gallo is going to get more than the MLE in a very weak fa class
5) Hell no! Love is crap, the guy can't stay healthy, play defense and is owed quite a bit money for 2 more season. I don't like his fit with Ibaka. You have two weak defensive players in that lineup.

6)Nnaji is okay with the first round pick but I hope Toronto can take Tre Jones or Hagans over Winston. I don't trust Winston at a NBA level as a backup yet. Don't get me wrong the kid had a great career at Michigan State but I don't think he's game is going to translate well to The NBA level. At least with the other two your getting guys who have NBA bodies right now

[Mr Swagtastic]

If we re-sign FVV,

Fred Van Vleet + Powell + TD + 2 1st round picks FOR James Harden at the trade deadline. It works in the trade checker too.

Lowry
Harden
OG
Siakam
Ibaka

..We'd be in the championship finals again folks.

If Giannis wants to come, you still got the Lowry expiring to flip over or a S&T with Ibaka , or whatever. Heck flip Siakam. But still, I think James is going to be good until he's 34. He's one helluva skill based guard.

Terence Davis has little to no value possibly now because of the legal issues. VanVleet is good but c'mon Houston isn't moving James Harden who is a perennial MVP calibur player. The picks are going to be late and Powell is on a one year deal and what does he give you that Gordon doesn't? That isn't enough. Harden to Toronto must include OG Anunoby to even get a response and even that probably isn't enough.

If Toronto got that deal they are clearly The best team in The East because Harden gives you that alpha dog scorer and Lowry Anunoby and Siakam give you three great defensive guys to just let Harden do Harden things.

[pr0gr4m]

1) Houston isn't stupid, they're not going to do that deal. Siakam can be great but Harden is great.

The core is said to be unhappy so it's just an idea.

2) okay you resign Ibaka to what term?

He will probably want 20 million for 3 + years. That would be fair and he is an asset that could be unloaded later.

3) Depends on the money offered to Freddy. If it's in the $17-$21 million for 3-4 years you bring him back

That would be good asset management. I don't see him as a long term piece. He is a liability.

4) Gallo is going to get more than the MLE in a very weak fa class

He might have higher priority of being on a contender. His health issues might play a role here too. If he goes for a higher contract at a bad organization that's losing and not resting him it would hurt his longivity.


5) Hell no! Love is crap, the guy can't stay healthy, play defense and is owed quite a bit money for 2 more season. I don't like his fit with Ibaka. You have two weak defensive players in that lineup.

He could be a good small ball 5 on offense but defense is going ot be a problem. Reviewing his contract you are correct. I would rather have Ibaka and get a PF from the draft or FA.


6)Nnaji is okay with the first round pick but I hope Toronto can take Tre Jones or Hagans over Winston. I don't trust Winston at a NBA level as a backup yet. Don't get me wrong the kid had a great career at Michigan State but I don't think he's game is going to translate well to The NBA level. At least with the other two your getting guys who have NBA bodies right now

Nnaji seems like he may not even be available. I have hope we move up for Maledon. Big point guards that can move the ball are good.

[StringerBell]

Has anyone heard any recent Raptors related rumors or speculations? Been listening to more basketball podcasts than willing to admit and haven't heard anything at all about Toronto. Makes me wonder what Masai and Bobby have up their sleeves.

[SurgeIblocka]

Has anyone heard any recent Raptors related rumors or speculations? Been listening to more basketball podcasts than willing to admit and haven't heard anything at all about Toronto. Makes me wonder what Masai and Bobby have up their sleeves.

They may be looking to go to another team to manage lol. The fact that there is no news on their contracts with free agency fast approaching makes me nervous. If your a free agent, do you sign with a team that hasn’t locked up their front office.

[StringerBell]

Has anyone heard any recent Raptors related rumors or speculations? Been listening to more basketball podcasts than willing to admit and haven't heard anything at all about Toronto. Makes me wonder what Masai and Bobby have up their sleeves.

They may be looking to go to another team to manage lol. The fact that there is no news on their contracts with free agency fast approaching makes me nervous. If your a free agent, do you sign with a team that hasn’t locked up their front office.

I think Bobby Webster was close to signing an extension. Masai is under contract for one more year. Don't think their situation has anything yo do with it but we'll see by next week.

Could be we're just back to being irrelevant in the media's eyes.

[LoveMyRaps]

Has anyone heard any recent Raptors related rumors or speculations? Been listening to more basketball podcasts than willing to admit and haven't heard anything at all about Toronto. Makes me wonder what Masai and Bobby have up their sleeves.

Pacers are discussing Oladipo in several three-team trade scenarios along with Myles Turner.
I feel like Raptors are one of those teams.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Has anyone heard any recent Raptors related rumors or speculations? Been listening to more basketball podcasts than willing to admit and haven't heard anything at all about Toronto. Makes me wonder what Masai and Bobby have up their sleeves.

They may be looking to go to another team to manage lol. The fact that there is no news on their contracts with free agency fast approaching makes me nervous. If your a free agent, do you sign with a team that hasn’t locked up their front office.

both are still under contract for this upcoming season though.

[douggood]

Has anyone heard any recent Raptors related rumors or speculations? Been listening to more basketball podcasts than willing to admit and haven't heard anything at all about Toronto. Makes me wonder what Masai and Bobby have up their sleeves.

They may be looking to go to another team to manage lol. The fact that there is no news on their contracts with free agency fast approaching makes me nervous. If your a free agent, do you sign with a team that hasn’t locked up their front office.

I think Bobby Webster was close to signing an extension. Masai is under contract for one more year. Don't think their situation has anything yo do with it but we'll see by next week.

Could be we're just back to being irrelevant in the media's eyes.

or like any other year raptors play things close to the vest.
and everyone speculates that raptors are building towards cap space in 2021, so that limits the rumors they can make up about the raptors.

[Asif16]

Cavs are eager to dump Kevin Love apparently

[douggood]

Cavs are eager to dump Kevin Love apparently

cavs are reportedly high on obi toppin in the draft.

Report: There’s no trade market for Cavs forward Kevin Love ‘at all’
https://cavaliersnation.com/2020/11/10/report-kevin-love-trade-speculation-takes-an-unfortunate-turn-for-the-cavs/

3yr $90 mil left
history of back issues.

[gerrit4]

If there's one thing this past couple years have taught us, it is the amazing value of having 5 really good defenders on the floor at once. Especially in the championship year (where arguably Norm was our worst defender, and he's still quite good). So that makes guys like Love & Gallo a big no for me, unless they are waived, or bench guys.

If there's one guy who I think is undervalued right now, it's Aaron Gordon. I was really impressed with him 2 years ago when we played the Magic in the playoffs, and I think in the right situation he'd be really good. Obviously there's some positional overlap with OG & Siakam (and doesn't really fit with Giannis if we signed him), but he's still someone I'd keep an eye one. I mean, he's probably the worst fit for us right now (he basically does what our only two long-term players do, and is a poor man's version of our free agent target), but I still like him.

[bballsparkin]

^^I read a trade rumour of Gordon to GSW. Something involving the #2 pick. Curry, Thompson, Wiggins, Gordon, Green. That would be a fun line up to watch.

edit: Gordon needs a change of scenery.

[Smithers]

Toronto has nothing Houston would want.

[oldncreaky]

Siakam for Harden
Re-sign Ibaka
Let FVV walk
Gallinari MLE
Powell + Stan + McCaw for Kevin Love
Draft Nnaji and Winston

Ibaka/Nnaji
Love/Gallo
OG/Watson
Harden/Davis
Lowry/Winston

Rest Love and Gallinari for the playoffs by not playing them too much in the regular season.

1) Houston isn't stupid, they're not going to do that deal. Siakam can be great but Harden is great.
2) okay you resign Ibaka to what term?
3) Depends on the money offered to Freddy. If it's in the $17-$21 million for 3-4 years you bring him back
4) Gallo is going to get more than the MLE in a very weak fa class
5) Hell no! Love is crap, the guy can't stay healthy, play defense and is owed quite a bit money for 2 more season. I don't like his fit with Ibaka. You have two weak defensive players in that lineup.

6)Nnaji is okay with the first round pick but I hope Toronto can take Tre Jones or Hagans over Winston. I don't trust Winston at a NBA level as a backup yet. Don't get me wrong the kid had a great career at Michigan State but I don't think he's game is going to
translate well to The NBA level. At least with the other two your getting guys who have NBA bodies right now

Amen to not trusting Winston

If the mocks are anywhere near accurate, this ain't much of a draft.

This is why I have little hopes in this year's NBA draft. I don't really pay close attention to NCAA anymore, and most draft previews and player bios are marketing fluff, but I live in the Detroit TV market so I've caught enough MSU games to have a view on Winston. I really doubt Cassius Winston ever earns a rotation role in the NBA, but yet he keeps showing up on mock drafts as a late first round pick. Yikes! Winston by all reports a great guy, great teammate - but not ready to play in the NBA next year.

This draft reminds on the 2000 draft when Mateen Cleaves was drafted (in the lottery!) by the Pistons. I knew Mateen was not NBA material, and so I expected the draft to be bad with a few decent players scattered throughout. It turned out that the best player taken was Michael Redd at #43, and the lottery only had 3 or 4 guys who turned into regular rotation players.

So, for Toronto, this is a really good time for Masai to take a flyer on some guy we've never heard of. Stash him in Europe, and keep him off the team's Salary cap, and maybe have something in a year (or two, or three). I'll be thrilled if it's some guy Masai knows from Africa that doesn't even show on mocks, because #29 pick is looking more like a liability than an asset.

And definitely
- no plans for a rookie to start
- no relying on rookies for rotation minutes
- no trades for defensive liabilities like Love, Gallo or even Harden

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Cavs are eager to dump Kevin Love apparently

cavs are reportedly high on obi toppin in the draft.

Report: There’s no trade market for Cavs forward Kevin Love ‘at all’
https://cavaliersnation.com/2020/11/10/report-kevin-love-trade-speculation-takes-an-unfortunate-turn-for-the-cavs/

3yr $90 mil left
history of back issues.

This guy Ross @LegionhoopsRoss had the KD+Kyrie to Nets news before anyone last summer. He also just two days ago reported that the Hornets were interested in Westbrook a day before the Athletic and Shams.

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[douggood]

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