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Post#1241 » by Mylie10 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:00 pm

kingcong95 wrote:If the fit with Chriss is the main counterpoint against Okongwu, it's always possible to stagger them, and if Okongwu is as good as we think he is, trade Chriss for a 2nd round pick or let him go via free agency next year (we only have Early Bird rights).
Even if Okongwu is higher on our big board than Wiseman, however, I wouldn't pick Okongwu with 2.


The point is that they are redundant, and neither is the air craft carrier which is needed.

I like Okungwu, so this is not hate from my part.
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Post#1242 » by wco81 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:57 pm

What did Chriss do at UW though?

Same league as Okongwu.
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Post#1243 » by TB » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:51 pm

wco81 wrote:What did Chriss do at UW though?

Same league as Okongwu.


Okongwu was better than Chriss at virtually every category other than 3 point rate, and their PPG was basically the same (with okongwu being way more efficient).

The Chriss v Okongwu debate is totally based on the 23 year old version of Chriss being about what the 19 year old version of Okongwu will be.
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Post#1244 » by Mylie10 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:57 am

The point is that we don’t have a true big man on the roster. Our roster needs that player.

If we end up with Okungwu, it’ll be fine, because he’s a good player, but we’d still need to add that really big guy to the roster.
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Post#1245 » by cdubbz » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:23 am

What’s Christian Wood looking to make as a free agent? I’m sure he’s looking for a big pay day, but would MLE be enticing for him?
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Post#1246 » by Warriors Analyst » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:38 am

cdubbz wrote:What’s Christian Wood looking to make as a free agent? I’m sure he’s looking for a big pay day, but would MLE be enticing for him?


Not taxpayer MLE. There's a world where I can see him taking non-taxpayer MLE on the right team. I think he'd actually be a great fit in Houston if they can drop below the luxury tax -- don't remember where they sit payroll wise off the top of my head -- but $8-9 million to play on a contender might be appealing to him. $5 million probably isn't.
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Post#1247 » by jason bourne » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:04 pm

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kingcong95 wrote:If the fit with Chriss is the main counterpoint against Okongwu, it's always possible to stagger them, and if Okongwu is as good as we think he is, trade Chriss for a 2nd round pick or let him go via free agency next year (we only have Early Bird rights).
Even if Okongwu is higher on our big board than Wiseman, however, I wouldn't pick Okongwu with 2.


The point is that they are redundant, and neither is the air craft carrier which is needed.

I like Okungwu, so this is not hate from my part.


Okongwu would be nice because he prolly could give the Warriors what maybe 30 mins a night? I'd take even 25 mins. He should be able to give Draymond a rest and prolong his career. I'm not as sure about Toppin who would be more focused on offense. I suppose both would be the backup choice in case of trade down with the Hornets or Bulls. I like Okongwu in this case for his experience and defense. If the Ws stay at #2 and draft James Wiseman, then I think he most likely does around 20 mins per night coming off the bench.
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Post#1248 » by jason bourne » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:08 pm

Hm... really nice defender and rebounder. I hadn't seen this vid in a while b/c of all the James Wiseman ones. It explains why Celtics are trying to move up.

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Post#1249 » by northoakland510 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:53 pm

jason bourne wrote:
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kingcong95 wrote:If the fit with Chriss is the main counterpoint against Okongwu, it's always possible to stagger them, and if Okongwu is as good as we think he is, trade Chriss for a 2nd round pick or let him go via free agency next year (we only have Early Bird rights).
Even if Okongwu is higher on our big board than Wiseman, however, I wouldn't pick Okongwu with 2.


The point is that they are redundant, and neither is the air craft carrier which is needed.

I like Okungwu, so this is not hate from my part.


Okongwu would be nice because he prolly could give the Warriors what maybe 30 mins a night? I'd take even 25 mins. He should be able to give Draymond a rest and prolong his career. I'm not as sure about Toppin who would be more focused on offense. I suppose both would be the backup choice in case of trade down with the Hornets or Bulls. I like Okongwu in this case for his experience and defense. If the Ws stay at #2 and draft James Wiseman, then I think he most likely does around 20 mins per night coming off the bench.


Looney and Chris were not getting 30 minutes a game, I doubt a rookie Okongwu is going to come in and ball like that. At 6'9'' I just do not think he is big enough to be on the floor that much.
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Post#1250 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:28 pm

Christian Wood, anyone? We'd be swamped at the 4 and 5 and he might be asking for more money and PT, but he's still young (25), pretty athletic, can put the ball on the floor, post-up offensively, and can shoot the 3 for a 6'10" PF/C.

We can use a volume shooter from the 5 spot.

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Post#1251 » by jason bourne » Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:58 pm

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jason bourne wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
The point is that they are redundant, and neither is the air craft carrier which is needed.

I like Okungwu, so this is not hate from my part.


Okongwu would be nice because he prolly could give the Warriors what maybe 30 mins a night? I'd take even 25 mins. He should be able to give Draymond a rest and prolong his career. I'm not as sure about Toppin who would be more focused on offense. I suppose both would be the backup choice in case of trade down with the Hornets or Bulls. I like Okongwu in this case for his experience and defense. If the Ws stay at #2 and draft James Wiseman, then I think he most likely does around 20 mins per night coming off the bench.


Looney and Chris were not getting 30 minutes a game, I doubt a rookie Okongwu is going to come in and ball like that. At 6'9'' I just do not think he is big enough to be on the floor that much.


My point is the Warriors have to get their C of the near future somewhere. Let's say the Warriors get a trade down for a vet PG or backup PF/wing instead of Myles Turner. Then drafting Okongwu or Toppin is realistic to play more minutes than Wiseman; Wiseman has the size and upside, but may only give you about 20 mins per game. He'll likely be gone by the top 3.

Another realistic deal is with the Bulls for WCJ as he can provide around 30 mins a night. The Warriors can do that deal and pick Okoro at #4. If they don't get a legit C in a trade down and the draft, then they're left with FA. I think one can do the latter if they have a commitment from players like Dwight, but the Warriors don't have that.
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Post#1252 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:53 pm

jason bourne wrote:
Mylie10 wrote:
kingcong95 wrote:If the fit with Chriss is the main counterpoint against Okongwu, it's always possible to stagger them, and if Okongwu is as good as we think he is, trade Chriss for a 2nd round pick or let him go via free agency next year (we only have Early Bird rights).
Even if Okongwu is higher on our big board than Wiseman, however, I wouldn't pick Okongwu with 2.


The point is that they are redundant, and neither is the air craft carrier which is needed.

I like Okungwu, so this is not hate from my part.


Okongwu would be nice because he prolly could give the Warriors what maybe 30 mins a night? I'd take even 25 mins. He should be able to give Draymond a rest and prolong his career. I'm not as sure about Toppin who would be more focused on offense. I suppose both would be the backup choice in case of trade down with the Hornets or Bulls. I like Okongwu in this case for his experience and defense. If the Ws stay at #2 and draft James Wiseman, then I think he most likely does around 20 mins per night coming off the bench.


Okungwu would be behind Chriss and Looney. I don't think he gets 30 minutes a night at all.
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Post#1253 » by Scoots1994 » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:56 pm

jason bourne wrote:
northoakland510 wrote:
jason bourne wrote:
Okongwu would be nice because he prolly could give the Warriors what maybe 30 mins a night? I'd take even 25 mins. He should be able to give Draymond a rest and prolong his career. I'm not as sure about Toppin who would be more focused on offense. I suppose both would be the backup choice in case of trade down with the Hornets or Bulls. I like Okongwu in this case for his experience and defense. If the Ws stay at #2 and draft James Wiseman, then I think he most likely does around 20 mins per night coming off the bench.


Looney and Chris were not getting 30 minutes a game, I doubt a rookie Okongwu is going to come in and ball like that. At 6'9'' I just do not think he is big enough to be on the floor that much.


My point is the Warriors have to get their C of the near future somewhere. Let's say the Warriors get a trade down for a vet PG or backup PF/wing instead of Myles Turner. Then drafting Okongwu or Toppin is realistic to play more minutes than Wiseman; Wiseman has the size and upside, but may only give you about 20 mins per game. He'll likely be gone by the top 3.

Another realistic deal is with the Bulls for WCJ as he can provide around 30 mins a night. The Warriors can do that deal and pick Okoro at #4. If they don't get a legit C in a trade down and the draft, then they're left with FA. I think one can do the latter if they have a commitment from players like Dwight, but the Warriors don't have that.


WCJ doesn't fit. He's too slow and ground bound AND not that long.

Toppin is a big no.

Dwight is a big no.
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Post#1254 » by jason bourne » Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:53 am

The Ws still need a big man C in their near future. Whether it comes from the draft, trade, or free agency is key. I can't see the Ws just letting this happen. They have to have a plan to get Wiseman at #2, or Okongwu/Toppin as trade down in the draft, or via TPE + #2 trade, or thru FA.

Here's a good analysis of getting Dwight Howard whom the Ws have said they want. It appears Lakers, Heat, Warriors, Rockets, and Celtics (prolly in that order) are the favorites to land him -- https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/11/13/nba-rumors-top-5-best-destinations-for-dwight-howard/.
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Post#1255 » by Quazza » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:31 am

Wood be excellent here but dare say out of our budget (well, he should be anyway )
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Post#1256 » by Mylie10 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:47 am

If we don’t get Wiseman then it has to be Gasol or Baynes. No way Ibaka passes on a huge payday at his age.

Gasol said he only wants to play for a Championship contender. So we fit the bill if he comes in.
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Post#1258 » by wco81 » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 pm

First 3 or 4 in Goldberg's list are unobtainable, unless they love Steph and are willing to give a discount.

Derrick Jones I only know him from dunks. Seems too skinny to be a defender like Iggy. Maybe he has a lot of weak side rotation blocks?

Milsap is washed unless he comes in dirt cheap.

Dunn would be good but bricklayer isn't he?

I don't know about Plumlee or Leonard. Only reason to have them would be to play 15-20 minutes against the big centers. Are they willing, when they've been backups recently?
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Post#1259 » by xdrta+ » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:36 pm

wco81 wrote:First 3 or 4 in Goldberg's list are unobtainable, unless they love Steph and are willing to give a discount.

Derrick Jones I only know him from dunks. Seems too skinny to be a defender like Iggy. Maybe he has a lot of weak side rotation blocks?

Milsap is washed unless he comes in dirt cheap.

Dunn would be good but bricklayer isn't he?

I don't know about Plumlee or Leonard. Only reason to have them would be to play 15-20 minutes against the big centers. Are they willing, when they've been backups recently?


I'd rather go after Baynes than Plumlee or Leonard. And you're right, why list all those top guys that are impossible for the Warriors to get.
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Post#1260 » by Little Digger » Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:39 pm

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