Shams: Jrue Holiday Traded to Bucks for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill, Three 1st Round Picks, 2 Future Draft Pick Swaps

God Squad · Post #281 » by **God Squad** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:47 am

SFour wrote:this would make more sense if it was CP3....but for Jrue? seems like a plan B desperation move

CP3 brings for "leadership". But Jrue is the better get imo. Younger and room for growth, chemistry between him and Giannis. Honestly, I like this trade for the bucks as long as Giannis signs.

Young Stapler · Post #282 » by **Young Stapler** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:47 am

RealGM going nuts tonight :lol:

Ugalde · Post #283 » by **Ugalde** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 am

NinjaBro wrote:
God Squad wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote: .....thats a sight you wont be seeing for a long time if ever again

One is better than None. You literally represent what people hate about Lakers fans. But carry on.

LOL this fool is the worst. At least raptors built their team the right way by drafting right and with great player development, making the right trades to put us over the top to win the ship. We didn't have to buy our championship by superstars leaving their home town to go to a big market for "endorsements" and other non basketball related reasons.

Our championship is 100x way sweeter than your bubble ship LMAO. Now go back to your basement where you came from.

one Raptors ring is worth so much more than a Laker ring. it was so much more exciting for the league.

Mr B · Post #284 » by **Mr B** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 am

donato wrote:
Mr B wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:Jrue is an excellent player, but I don't think he's THAT much better than what Bledsoe and Hill provide collectively. And then the draft picks... the Pels came out like bandits imo.

Neither Hill or Bledsoe are creators, Jrue is. Also he’s not a bad defender. This move is going to make them much better. They need to get Lopez back on board though.

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Have you ever watched Jrue play? He's good, inconsistent, doesn't get to the line...but he isn't a creator- at least not for others in any meaningful way. He's that combo guard that can play point but isn't a special passer at all.

Yea I have seen him play. Obviously he’s no Luka when it comes to creating but he doesn’t have to be. He just has to be able to take some of that pressure off of Giannis and Jrue is more than capable of doing that.

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TheBoi10 · Post #285 » by **TheBoi10** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 am

Young Stapler wrote:RealGM going nuts tonight

It crashed for a bit after the trades

HollowEarth · Post #286 » by **HollowEarth** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:50 am

What. The. ****?

That was the best offer? Good luck Jrue

NoZoLakers · Post #287 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:50 am

Ugalde wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:
God Squad wrote:One is better than None. You literally represent what people hate about Lakers fans. But carry on.

LOL this fool is the worst. At least raptors built their team the right way by drafting right and with great player development, making the right trades to put us over the top to win the ship. We didn't have to buy our championship by superstars leaving their home town to go to a big market for "endorsements" and other non basketball related reasons.

Our championship is 100x way sweeter than your bubble ship LMAO. Now go back to your basement where you came from.

one Raptors ring is worth so much more than a Laker ring. it was so much more exciting for the league.

lol don't worry we'll be back for more while your fan base dream of greek in tor fades n build right way? you had a once in a lifetime trade, i guess trading for Kawahi wasnt "buy" it huh? lol

NinjaBro · Post #288 » by **NinjaBro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:51 am

Young Stapler wrote:RealGM going nuts tonight

Still only the first night :lol:

celticfan42487 · Post #289 » by **celticfan42487** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:51 am

Jkam31 wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:I really think the Bucks needed a goto end of the game scorer to win a ship... but I guess this is the Greek Freak betting on himself that he can become that.

If he could develop a jumper and become a closer than this is all he needs to win. If not then Jrue is an upgrade but not in the area they need to win.

Whose available out there that was a bucket at the end of games? Holiday would be the closest thing to that he and rondo are the reason they won that Portland series. People say Paul he’s not scoring in the fourth like that holiday is better

Well... CP3 was the best closer in the NBA last year so that's just wrong.

But I would never advocate trading for a 35 year old PG.

I guess only Harden is the confirmed closer out there, not sure if Middleton and 5 first round picks get it done or not.

And as much hate as he gets, Paul George may have been another option.

It's not a terrible trade by any means, just not the ideal one as the final piece for the Bucks championship. The equation remains the same... can Greek Freak hit end of game mid range shots for the win or not. If he can then he's LeBron, if he can't he's what he is right now.

I think it's a good trade, solid at bat. But not a sure home run. I'm not sure PG is what they needed as ideally, you'd want the ball in the Greek Freaks hands. But again it improves their strengths and keeps their weaknesses the same so it's a solid trade.

RRyder823 · Post #290 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:53 am

mercgold3 wrote:If Giannis signs the super max because of Jrue... that means he would sign a supermax if was Chris Paul too instead.

Not if Giannis didn't want to play with Paul it doesnt

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Post #291 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:54 am

HollowEarth wrote:What. The. ****?

That was the best offer? Good luck Jrue

It's an extremely high potential, okay floor kind of trade. So I get why Griff did it. If Giannis doesnt resign, no team would come close to matching this.

But if he does resign, you got two tradeable contracts and ya not high value 1st round picks, but still 1st round picks you can toss into a future trade to sweeten the pot. Im sure there were better guaranteed returns out there, but I can see why they sided with this one with the crazy high potential.

RRyder823 · Post #292 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:56 am

NoZoLakers wrote:
Ugalde wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:

LOL this fool is the worst. At least raptors built their team the right way by drafting right and with great player development, making the right trades to put us over the top to win the ship. We didn't have to buy our championship by superstars leaving their home town to go to a big market for "endorsements" and other non basketball related reasons.

Our championship is 100x way sweeter than your bubble ship LMAO. Now go back to your basement where you came from.

one Raptors ring is worth so much more than a Laker ring. it was so much more exciting for the league.

lol don't worry we'll be back for more while your fan base dream of greek in tor fades n build right way? you had a once in a lifetime trade, i guess trading for Kawahi wasnt "buy" it huh? lol

As a Bucks fan no it wasn't. They didn't trade for a guy that forced his way there or even one that said he'll resign with them. They saw their shot and they took it.

Pretty drastic difference then a star like I dunno say AD saying I wanna play for the Lakers trade me there

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Merc_Porto · Post #293 » by **Merc_Porto** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:56 am

RRyder823 wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:If Giannis signs the super max because of Jrue... that means he would sign a supermax if was Chris Paul too instead.
Not if Giannis didn't want to play with Paul it doesnt

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Fair enough. But is kinda crazy to think that Giannis didn't want to play with Paul and instead he wants to play with Jrue.

Even at 35yo i have no doubts who's by far the better player. And the player that would make more sense for the Bucks needs.

Post #294 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:57 am

RRyder823 wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:If Giannis signs the super max because of Jrue... that means he would sign a supermax if was Chris Paul too instead.
Not if Giannis didn't want to play with Paul it doesnt

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Also Jrue is 30 years old, he still has a good 2 years of high level basketball and a couple of really solid basketball. Paul is already 35, so its really just a matter of time before we see age catch up to him. Paul doesnt really scream a long term 5 year move.

RRyder823 · Post #295 » by **RRyder823** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:58 am

mercgold3 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:If Giannis signs the super max because of Jrue... that means he would sign a supermax if was Chris Paul too instead.
Not if Giannis didn't want to play with Paul it doesnt

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Fair enough. But is kinda crazy to think that Giannis didn't want to play with Paul and instead he wants to play with Jrue.

Even at 35yo i have no doubts who's by far the better player. And the player that would make more sense for the Bucks needs.

I mean its entirely possible that Giannis could just think he's an ass and that why. Not saying I'd agree but its not like Paul has had a great track record with teammates

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Merc_Porto · Post #296 » by **Merc_Porto** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:58 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
RRyder823 wrote:
mercgold3 wrote:If Giannis signs the super max because of Jrue... that means he would sign a supermax if was Chris Paul too instead.
Not if Giannis didn't want to play with Paul it doesnt

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Also Jrue is 30 years old, he still has a good 2 years of high level basketball and a couple of really solid basketball. Paul is already 35, so its really just a matter of time before we see age catch up to him. Paul doesnt really scream a long term 5 year move.

The price would probably be way lower. Don't forget that...

NinjaBro · Post #297 » by **NinjaBro** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:59 am

NoZoLakers wrote:
Ugalde wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:

LOL this fool is the worst. At least raptors built their team the right way by drafting right and with great player development, making the right trades to put us over the top to win the ship. We didn't have to buy our championship by superstars leaving their home town to go to a big market for "endorsements" and other non basketball related reasons.

Our championship is 100x way sweeter than your bubble ship LMAO. Now go back to your basement where you came from.

one Raptors ring is worth so much more than a Laker ring. it was so much more exciting for the league.

lol don't worry we'll be back for more while your fan base dream of greek in tor fades n build right way? you had a once in a lifetime trade, i guess trading for Kawahi wasnt "buy" it huh? lol

I'm not going to spend all night responding to a sad little troll like you but I can't help myself, so I'll do it one more time. As if you think you're getting me all riled up when I'm just sitting here laughing at how stupid you are :lol:

Let me break it down for you like this. Every team in the league had an opportunity to make that Kawhi trade. The Spurs made it clear what they wanted and also Kawhi's agent (via Woj) also made it clear it would most likely be a one year rental. So every team knew the terms and didn't have the foresight to pull the trigger to get them over the top. I'm talking about teams like Philly, Bucks, Rockets and Celtics etc. Rebuilding teams would not be in this category obviously. Only Masai had the balls to do it.

As the poster above you clearly stated, the Raptors ship is 100x sweeter than any of your Lakers ship. Crawl back into your basement and stop quoting me.

HollowEarth · Post #298 » by **HollowEarth** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:59 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
HollowEarth wrote:What. The. ****?

That was the best offer? Good luck Jrue

It's an extremely high potential, okay floor kind of trade. So I get why Griff did it. If Giannis doesnt resign, no team would come close to matching this.

But if he does resign, you got two tradeable contracts and ya not high value 1st round picks, but still 1st round picks you can toss into a future trade to sweeten the pot. Im sure there were better guaranteed returns out there, but I can see why they sided with this one with the crazy high potential.

It's gambling that Giannis leaves, but giving him Jrue as a reason to stay. I get that it's a lot of picks, but I'm not feeling this.

therealbig3 · Post #299 » by **therealbig3** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 am

I mean, Holiday is better than Bledsoe, but I think that people are underrating the crap out of Bledsoe and overrate Holiday a tad.

It's true that Holiday is an elite defender...but so is Bledsoe (All-D just a year ago). Bledsoe isn't a great outside shooter, but Holiday isn't actually that much better either.

Like, people act like Bledsoe was some scrub for the Bucks and actively hurt them based on some bad playoff games. He's not THE reason they lost in the playoffs the last 2 years, and if you give him crap for that, then you also have to acknowledge that he was the starting PG and one of the premier defenders for a team that won 75% of their games and had the league's best defense the last 2 years.

3 first rounders and 2 pick swaps over the next 5 years is the kind of haul that was traded for Anthony Davis and Paul George. You're telling me that to go from Bledsoe to Holiday, that's what it takes? There's THAT kind of difference between them? Yeah right.

And Holiday is a free agent after this year! He could easily walk.

NoZoLakers · Post #300 » by **NoZoLakers** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 am

RRyder823 wrote:
NoZoLakers wrote:
Ugalde wrote:one Raptors ring is worth so much more than a Laker ring. it was so much more exciting for the league.

lol don't worry we'll be back for more while your fan base dream of greek in tor fades n build right way? you had a once in a lifetime trade, i guess trading for Kawahi wasnt "buy" it huh? lol
As a Bucks fan no it wasn't. They didn't trade for a guy that forced his way there or even one that said he'll resign with them. They saw their shot and they took it.

Pretty drastic difference then a star like I dunno say AD saying I wanna play for the Lakers trade me there

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and we paid them more than fair value for him, trading for a guy forcing it or not makes no difference

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