The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

Wingy · Post #181 » by **Wingy** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:49 am

erlim wrote:

Are you talking about the pick, or your incessant negative posts lacking any real thought, or analysis?

Post #182 » by **fleet** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:50 am

Brothaman33 wrote:I'll wait and give him time. Watching video though...

He is a child.

Like, eyes wide open, looks like his brain is moving 100 miles an hour. He has soooooooooo much to work on.

Also, he is a good athlete, don't get me wrong. But I do not see ELITE athleticism. Laterally, I don't see elite. Good, maybe great leaper. Good speed, not great. If your gonna draft a high upside athlete, he had better be a elite at it. I don't think he is. He turned 19 in August. We'll have to wait 3 years before we actually see what we have.

I'll wait...

At his size, rare athletic tools. How many guys in the league can compare at any one time? A few.

cjbulls · Post #183 » by **cjbulls** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:50 am

fleet wrote:
Costa78 wrote:
kodo wrote:Feels similar to last year, Deandre Hunter was drafted as a multi-positional athletic defender with a 3 point shot. He went #4 in a much better draft.

Jury's out on whether Hunter at #4 was a good move.

Good comp with Deandre Hunter. Patrick will likely take a few years as he just turned 19. Hope it pans out.

Starting on his second deal as a 22 year old.

And we still won’t know what he will be, which leads to an overpay

MGB8 · Post #184 » by **MGB8** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:50 am

kodo wrote:Feels similar to last year, Deandre Hunter was drafted as a multi-positional athletic defender with a 3 point shot. He went #4 in a much better draft.

Jury's out on whether Hunter at #4 was a good move.

Hunter was the best player on the championship team and best player in that game who had a proven 3 and was actually a wing. Not comparable at all.

TheFinishSniper · Post #185 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:50 am

kodo wrote:Feels similar to last year, Deandre Hunter was drafted as a multi-positional athletic defender with a 3 point shot. He went #4 in a much better draft.

Jury's out on whether Hunter at #4 was a good move.

Hunter was clear SG/SF size wise. And he had bit more of undersized 4 skillset but could still be 3 and needed to be 3 due his size. But he could clearly shoot. Williams on other hand looks like SF/PF size wise with skillset of 4. Thing with him is can he shoot? What makes them different prospects is Hunter got 3 years at college while Williams is one and done.

Any upside goes clearly to Williams. Ill say for Williams that he is huge dude for guy who just turned up 19 year old. Maybe closest to Lebron prospect size wise wing when you compare him to how old he is. It's clear he will have no issues with body contact in NBA as NBA is a lot softer this days then it was in 2003.

northbrookrich · Post #186 » by **northbrookrich** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:50 am

Everyone has been screaming for years that the Bulls had to get rid of GarPax. Finally, we have a strong GM and we have to give him and his team a chance to evaluate what we have, make a couple of draft picks and free agent signings, build a coaching staff and develop our young players. This is a weak draft in a year where there was no NCAA tournament to help evaluate players. We will see how this pick works out, but the crying has to stop. Trust the process. Trust the new management. Let's Go Bulls!

cjbulls · Post #187 » by **cjbulls** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:51 am

I just see his body and athleticism and he seems like a long term 4.

RoseTheFuture22 · Post #188 » by **RoseTheFuture22** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:52 am

Feels like the Spurs hype got out of control and other teams ahead thought they were missing something. But Westbrook was a bench player in college for most of his career and there's a real chance that he showed a lot of improvement since the season ended.

His shooting forms looks pretty good but it is kinda slow. I guess it isn't that much of a reach because a lot of place had him to detroit at 7 but just doesn't feel like the BPA.

cjbulls · Post #189 » by **cjbulls** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:53 am

northbrookrich wrote:Everyone has been screaming for years that the Bulls had to get rid of GarPax. Finally, we have a strong GM and we have to give him and his team a chance to evaluate what we have, make a couple of draft picks and free agent signings, build a coaching staff and develop our young players. This is a weak draft in a year where there was no NCAA tournament to help evaluate players. We will see how this pick works out, but the crying has to stop. Trust the process. Trust the new management. Let's Go Bulls!

We should have waited until after the draft to let them go. They would have taken Deni or Hali for sure, maybe Okoro. All seem like a better choice.

JohnnyTapwater · Post #190 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:53 am

My hope is he gets to Luol Deng level.

I still trust AK - so we'll see.

JimmyButler21 · Post #191 » by **JimmyButler21** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:54 am

cjbulls wrote:
fleet wrote:
Costa78 wrote:
Good comp with Deandre Hunter. Patrick will likely take a few years as he just turned 19. Hope it pans out.

Starting on his second deal as a 22 year old.

And we still won’t know what he will be, which leads to an overpay

If we don't know what he is by then, doubt he'd be an overpay.

Mech Engineer · Post #192 » by **Mech Engineer** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:55 am

fleet wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:I didn't buy the rumor, but I guess the last few years these 24hr-window leaks have been spot-on. So here we are!

He's a risk, but he's a Draymond/Zion type, no? His wing-span and weight are currently under specs to play C, but I have been complaining about the Bulls' lack of an athletic tweener forward for 10 years right now. It is actually incredible that this type of player has been off the Bull's radar for the entire decade.

While "old-school PF is dead", the hybrid forward is the most important position in basketball, period. These teams that could switch their forwards between PF and SF or C and not skip a beat, they're the ones winning chips and contending. He's gonna be able to guard Lebron, Tatum, Durant, Jimmy, Kawhi, George, Luka -- and he does have a base of handling, shooting and pass skills.

Honestly, Deni/Hayes/Hali all these intriguing guys, as we got closer to the draft, I started getting nervous we were gonna come away with a 6th man. Williams has a chance to become an anchor. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Williams can palm the ball ala MJ/Kawhi. If he's got that going, then I'm double sold.

Positionless basketball is whats up. He’ll guard big wings and switch to help in the paint. I think the defense will really be turbocharged with him and WCJ pairings. And someone specifically mentioned that he has huge hands. Jerry Krause would love this.

Underrated body part of a basketball player. There are a lot of mediocre players with big hands but look at how Rondo controls the game because of his huge hands while Derrick Rose struggled so many times because of small hands. Both of them would be different players if they had different hand sizes.

nitetrain8603 · Post #193 » by **nitetrain8603** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:55 am

From the negative videos and positive videos on Patrick Williams, he sounds like Andre Iguodala as his potential. Derrick Williams would be his floor.

cjbulls · Post #194 » by **cjbulls** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:56 am

JimmyButler21 wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
fleet wrote:Starting on his second deal as a 22 year old.

And we still won’t know what he will be, which leads to an overpay

If we don't know what he is by then, doubt he'd be an overpay.

Look at Lauri who is about to get paid. And he’s well behind what Lauri was developmentally.

erlim · Post #195 » by **erlim** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:57 am

Silver linings are; 1, we definitely definitely won’t be a playoff club so we can afford to develop our bench nobodies; Otto Porter and his 28 mil contract will DEFINITELY get injured for HUGE stretches of the season if not immediately for the entire season, allowing Chandler Hutchinson and this guy a chance to outplay one other (although it will probably be a wash); and Boylen is no longer our coach, so we will probably have at least passable mediocre player development.

AK was savvy with MPJ and Bol Bol, but literally anybody would have picked those guys as they fell as far as they did.

We basically have the new Kris Dunn of weird tweeners.

Post #196 » by **fleet** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:58 am

He's gonna draw a lot of fouls slashing, he is a train.

KissedByaRose1 · Post #197 » by **KissedByaRose1** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:59 am

83% FT shooter. I like his shot form and honestly he kinda hangs in the air in a way that helps him get seperation. I'm optimisitc Donovan can coach him up and he can develop into a secondary playmaker kinda guy. More than just a PJ Tucker or whatever. Already has decent handles and again is so freaking young I have to believ he's going to improve more. Seems like he has great work ethic, kinda shocked people aren't happier about this.

jStuNNa · Post #198 » by **jStuNNa** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:59 am

Here's a good full game to watch...

Watch on YouTube

MrFortune3 · Post #199 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:59 am

I like the pick, loads of potential, good two way player and fits with the team at SF, helps potentially solve some defensive issues with Lauri, LaVine and Coby on the court together.

MrSparkle · Post #200 » by **MrSparkle** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:00 am

erlim wrote:Silver linings are; 1, we definitely definitely won’t be a playoff club so we can afford to develop our bench nobodies; Otto Porter and his 28 mil contract will DEFINITELY get injured for HUGE stretches of the season if not immediately for the entire season, allowing Chandler Hutchinson and this guy a chance to outplay one other (although it will probably be a wash); and Boylen is no longer our coach, so we will probably have at least passable mediocre player development.

AK was savvy with MPJ and Bol Bol, but literally anybody would have picked those guys as they fell as far as they did.

We basically have the new Kris Dunn of weird tweeners.

Are you kidding?

Kris Dunn in PF tweener form is a top-25 player. The whole problem with Dunn is that he is 6'3. "Power guards" don't work. You are telling me you'd have a problem with a PF sized Dunn?