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The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#381 » by DuckIII » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:54 pm

t-time wrote:I loved the press conference, AK is someone that knows what he wants and the way he answered every question directly with no BS was a nice change.


Well, he said PW can guard 1-5 and play 1-5. So there was definitely at least some BS. I’d say quite a bit of BS actually.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#382 » by Ctownbulls » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:04 pm

Listening to AK talk about Williams gets me more excited. AK knows what he's doing, you can tell.

We were never getting a superstar in this draft. There is a good chance nobody becomes one. But it looks like we got a solid, long term, multi positional rotation player who fits the evolving game.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#383 » by Davell » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:05 pm

I loved the pick. In a draft without a ton of upside, I think we took a guy with as much or more than anyone. Personally, I liked him a few months back, when Wasserman said he’d be a guy that was really going to skyrocket up boards. I really started digging then and the hope was we’d be able to trade back 3-4 spots and still nab him. Couldn’t do that, but very glad we took him.

I do think he’ll be able to handle both the 3 and 4 on both ends myself and think he’s going to eventually be a very solid outside shooter, that can create his own shot and get to the rim as well.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#384 » by RSP83 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:09 pm

Somehow I like what I see from AKs interview. About AK himself, the guy seems like a no BS kinda guy. I trust him on this pick. Whether PatWill pans out or not AK clearly has a vision and this pick makes sense and to me seems like the pick is a well though out pick. AK said that this is the highest he's ever pick and an opportunity to get it right because top 5 pick success rate significantly higher than the next group. So I think AK and team really take this draft seriously.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#385 » by Ctownbulls » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:10 pm

What opinion should I value more?

Posters who watch some YouTube videos, read mock drafts for a few weeks, and realize he didn't start in college

Or

The management team and staff that was highly acclaimed, brought in to replace the hated regimed, and scouted these players for a year or more?



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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#386 » by Ctownbulls » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:14 pm

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Multiple sources said the Pistons were busy all day trying to move up from No. 7 to No. 3 to block the Bulls and grab Williams.

No way was trading back for this guy happening.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2020/11/18/21574389/new-bulls-regime-stays-at-no-4-and-selects-forward-patrick-williams
I wonder if the Carter/4 for 2 rumors were out there to either trump a Detroit move to 3 or dissuade Detroit from even pursuing 3.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#387 » by Davell » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:18 pm

The biggest thing here is with us hiring so many guys for developmental purposes, it’s so much easier to see Williams actually develop than what it would have been under the prior regime. Picks like this are what we should expect moving forward and for them to be much more successful than they had been for us in the past.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#388 » by RSP83 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:22 pm

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t-time wrote:I loved the press conference, AK is someone that knows what he wants and the way he answered every question directly with no BS was a nice change.


Well, he said PW can guard 1-5 and play 1-5. So there was definitely at least some BS. I’d say quite a bit of BS actually.


AK did mention several times about PW's underrated handles and playing Point Guard in HS. So that's where he's coming from with his projection of PWs handling the rock. Of course I don't see PW being a full time point guard, but AK thinks it's important to mention couple of time about his ball handling skill and playing PG in HS. In terms of playing the 5, that's not too farfetched considering Draymond and PJ Tucker can play the 5 as well in this league.

I think the Marvin Williams comparison makes sense. But I hope that's his floor. I like to drink the Kool Aid and hope he turns into Siakam :)
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#389 » by Axolotl » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:24 pm

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t-time wrote:I loved the press conference, AK is someone that knows what he wants and the way he answered every question directly with no BS was a nice change.


Well, he said PW can guard 1-5 and play 1-5. So there was definitely at least some BS. I’d say quite a bit of BS actually.


But, he didn't say PW can guard and play all those positions well... *cough*

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#390 » by Brothaman33 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:33 pm

After an evening, and listening to AK I'm cool. Let's see how he developes.

I anticipate a red shirt year. AK was asked about throwing him in right away and he said he will need time. I'm curious how big he gets...can he get to 6'9" 235 and retain movement? He's more of a thick build. I'd like to see him first concentrate on a set 3 point shot and attack improving his lateral movement. If he can get the 3-D down right away, then you can slowly expand and see how high that ceiling is.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#391 » by TheHrvReport » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:34 pm

PW has all the raw physical tools to become an all-star one day. Not saying it’ll happen for sure but how good he becomes will be up to him and how hard he works. Mentally he seems to be of the Butler/Kawhi mold who will just put his head down and work. Given his age he is probably a couple years away from being a big contributor which is OK since we are probably a year away from playoff contention anyway.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#392 » by Ctownbulls » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:35 pm

I now remember why I don't frequent this board as much as I used to. Would be nice to see healthy debates and dive into his style, potential, fit with this roster now and moving forward. Instead, a lot of you think you somehow know more than AK in a draft where even the media admittedly does not know as much as they normally do about this class.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#393 » by rtblues » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:51 pm

Was there a player on the board that is someone who is was going to be an actual "difference maker" this season? Are the Bulls in a "win-now" situation? No and no. Is there a player on the Bulls that actually prevents the selection of Patrick Williams? Doubt it. Watching tape of this guy I see that he will be the best defensive player on the team from day one. He's got more spring and quick-twitch than Carter, but since they play different positions, to me Carter Jr. still starts, but, let's see Lauri or Porter Jr. beat out Patrick Williams for playing time.

The stuff this kid is doing on game films is stuff I've never seen Markkanen or Porter do. I'm giving this guy a shot. He will improve offensively, he is 19 years old! I'll also take Williams' ceiling over Lauri, Okoro, Hayes or Toppin. Last thing, there will be trades still. AK has no loyalty to a bunch of underachievers and failed picks, he will build the team his way. Don't be surprised if AK flips most of this roster.

I don't think anyone actually assumed that AK was some sort of "god", but rather a significant upgrade to Gar-Pax. Did anyone really want a 22 year Obi-No-D-Toppin? Avdija, we will see, but I was never feeling that. There's a reason he dropped like a rock.

So many fans want it both ways, Gar-Pax sucks, but they like Markkanen, Carter and White. Then, they get their way and replace GarPax with AK, and they turn on him after his first move picking Williams. Can't have it both ways...

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#394 » by BigUps » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:57 pm

AK will be in 670 The Score next. Just a heads up.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#395 » by Shill » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:01 pm

I’m still in the honeymoon phase with this regime.

This always seemed like an incredibly weak draft to me. Based on the limited stuff I’ve seen on Williams, he seems to have some of the most upside in the draft.

I’m interested to see how AK shakes up the rest of the roster.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#396 » by Lunartic » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:09 pm

I'll be happy if he's a good freethrow shooter and rebounder
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#397 » by DuckIII » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:11 pm

Now that I’ve had a night to process this pick and give it additional thought, I dislike it even more.

Caveats for knowing that the FO has substantially more information than I do and I should be patient. Which I will be.

But today, right now, I don’t get it. We needed a wing player who could shoot and, more importantly, take time as a primary ball handler and distributor. A tall point guard, a point forward, etc. And there were several players of this type available.

We also needed defense and he adds that, but he’s strong not fluid. Not quick. And I don’t buy AK’s smoke that PW is some sort of Swiss Army knife hybrid do it all player about to emerge from his cocoon. The fit isn’t there and I don’t see the type of elite athletic profile that makes you ignore fit in a draft like this.

But I’ll be patient, objective, and open to changing my mind with changes in evidence. I did with Coby White who I absolutely HATED for the Bulls on draft night. In retrospect I may have been wrong about that. Hopefully that is the case again here.

But on November 19, 2020, I see a wasted opportunity and a shaky draft day start for AK.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#398 » by 85Bears » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:13 pm

“He was attracted to our program because he felt like he needed to defend,” Young said. “He said it when we talked to him. [Coach Hamilton and I] both looked at each other like, ‘What?’ We never talked to a top recruit in the country who said, ‘Teach me how to play defense.’ They all ask, ‘Can I start? How many shots can I get? Will I have the ball in my hands? Are you going to run plays for me?’ He’s the first kid in my 26 years of coaching that said, ‘I need to learn how to play on the other side of the ball.’” A


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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#399 » by DuckIII » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:13 pm

Shill wrote:I’m still in the honeymoon phase with this regime.

This always seemed like an incredibly weak draft to me. Based on the limited stuff I’ve seen on Williams, he seems to have some of the most upside in the draft.

I’m interested to see how AK shakes up the rest of the roster.


To me, last night strongly suggested there will be no significant roster shake up until at least the trade deadline. Signs point to AK taking a longer look at the roster. Which I am totally okay with.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#400 » by Indomitable » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:16 pm

DuckIII wrote:I. Don’t. Understand.

I liked his live interview though.

He is young.
He plays well within a system.
AK might actually believe in the roster.

The Bulls finally seem to value having 6'6 to 6'9 players. We actually might have some versatility on the roster.
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