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Re: The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason 

Post#541 » by mademan » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:21 pm

Freighttrain wrote:Nothing spectacular, but could this mean this Palinka is trying to free up cap to resign KCP/Bradley/Dwight on bigger deals?

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KCP/Dwight should be goal while keeping the MLE. Lakers have guards that can replace Bradley and i think THT in particular is ready for a bigger role. There's also Matthews who can soak up some decent minutes. I think if youre LA, you hope Bradley opts out
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Post#542 » by Dr Positivity » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:25 pm

GSW totally breaking down health wise after 5 finals helps prove again Lebron is an alien
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Post#543 » by LikeABosh » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:30 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:GSW totally breaking down health wise after 5 finals helps prove again Lebron is an alien


Don't forget James Jones :P
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Post#544 » by dreamshake » Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:32 pm

Baski wrote:I guess I'm in the minority here but the Lakers should worry way more about the potential ramifications of their moves on their defense than their offense.

I prefer the Lakers that crushed their opponents on defense because they had to, over the Lakers that'll blow teams out and then subsequently coast on defense.
Losing Bradley, Green and KCP, maybe Dwight too, at once is gonna be brutal on Lebron and AD if they plan to win a lot of games.


Why are you assuming they're losing KCP? From everything I've read it seems like he's very likely to re-sign. Zach Lowe called it a "foregone conclusion". I think Dwight is a pretty good bet to re-sign too now that GSW probably isn't interested.
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Post#545 » by kayess » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:31 pm

So Schroder's a done deal.

What's the realistic best case scenario? Keep KCP, Rondo, Dwight, sign Matthews and Ibaka/Gallo?
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Post#546 » by Greyhound » Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:38 pm

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Freighttrain wrote:Nothing spectacular, but could this mean this Palinka is trying to free up cap to resign KCP/Bradley/Dwight on bigger deals?

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KCP/Dwight should be goal while keeping the MLE. Lakers have guards that can replace Bradley and i think THT in particular is ready for a bigger role. There's also Matthews who can soak up some decent minutes. I think if youre LA, you hope Bradley opts out

I hope they can somehow hold onto Bradley. Opt in, opt out, whatever. He would work great as the place holder starter at PG (with Schroder eating up the bulk of the minutes).
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Post#547 » by LikeABosh » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:03 pm

JaMychal opted out. I'm interested
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Post#548 » by Mos_Heat » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:08 pm

Green would be really great pick up
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Post#549 » by dreamshake » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:32 pm

kayess wrote:So Schroder's a done deal.

What's the realistic best case scenario? Keep KCP, Rondo, Dwight, sign Matthews and Ibaka/Gallo?


Rondo is almost 100% not coming back since the Schroder trade. Seems like he's probably going to the Clippers. And looks like Gallo is going to be a Hawk or a Maverick.
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Post#550 » by Baski » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:26 pm

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Baski wrote:I guess I'm in the minority here but the Lakers should worry way more about the potential ramifications of their moves on their defense than their offense.

I prefer the Lakers that crushed their opponents on defense because they had to, over the Lakers that'll blow teams out and then subsequently coast on defense.
Losing Bradley, Green and KCP, maybe Dwight too, at once is gonna be brutal on Lebron and AD if they plan to win a lot of games.


Why are you assuming they're losing KCP? From everything I've read it seems like he's very likely to re-sign. Zach Lowe called it a "foregone conclusion". I think Dwight is a pretty good bet to re-sign too now that GSW probably isn't interested.

I'm not assuming they lose anybody. Just generally reacting to everyone's focus on getting better shooters while sacrificing some defense. If KCP signs that's a welcome relief for the Lakers imo. Having more capable defensive guards will help them way more than Gallinari and whatever other one-way shooter could imo.
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Post#551 » by nzahir » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:36 pm

Would like Green over Kieff, but how much does he want if he opted out of 5m?

I want some 2021 flexibility, but the pickings may be getting slim. I still do really love Lowry if we had a chance, but I wonder how many years KCP gets.

A 1 year deal would be perfect, 2 year deal is also fine to go after Cp3 or Beal in 2022 if available.

But I am not sure what deal KCP gets
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Post#552 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:39 pm

Baski wrote:
dreamshake wrote:
Baski wrote:I guess I'm in the minority here but the Lakers should worry way more about the potential ramifications of their moves on their defense than their offense.

I prefer the Lakers that crushed their opponents on defense because they had to, over the Lakers that'll blow teams out and then subsequently coast on defense.
Losing Bradley, Green and KCP, maybe Dwight too, at once is gonna be brutal on Lebron and AD if they plan to win a lot of games.


Why are you assuming they're losing KCP? From everything I've read it seems like he's very likely to re-sign. Zach Lowe called it a "foregone conclusion". I think Dwight is a pretty good bet to re-sign too now that GSW probably isn't interested.

I'm not assuming they lose anybody. Just generally reacting to everyone's focus on getting better shooters while sacrificing some defense. If KCP signs that's a welcome relief for the Lakers imo. Having more capable defensive guards will help them way more than Gallinari and whatever other one-way shooter could imo.



Kcp is solid and id want him back but hes not like absurdly good defensively or anything, gallo would be such a huge upgrade on offense that i think its a no brainer if its a one to one trade, but i get what youre saying and id prefer good defensive unexploitable guys that help the offense a bit over help the offense alot but add a crack to the D

An ibaka would be great, 3 and D guyvwould be great too. The main thing we need is shooting offensively, schroder prolly good enough to create his own offense that that archtype is filled altho idk about his p and r game.

Schroders a good start for shooting, KCP would be too

Atm our roster is

Lebron
AD
Schroder
(KCP)?
Caruso
Kuzma
Javale
THT

Leaving:
Green
Rondo (replaced by schroder)
Bradley
Morris

The shooting is pretty dire if kcp leaves since caruso and kuz arent great shooters (hopefully kuz finally does something lol) but i think well find good alternatives. Schroder for rondo is a good start
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Post#553 » by LikeABosh » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:57 pm

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Post#554 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:02 am

Imo we have two options

Try to get a full mle player type like ivaka and fill out with minimums for guys like (hopefully) matthews and them

Or get some decent value mle 3 and D wings and combo guards

Either way the lakers offense had problems with spacing in the playoffs which is kind of crazy considering how good we still were. We'll see how the team is.

Itll be hard to stop the contenders this year (clips/nets/bucks) but keep in mind that our defense in the playoffs was crazy, sure out def rtg was only avg ish but we went against 3 teams all in that top offense level.

The blazers were the best offense in the league when healthy, the rockets were hot from three vs us and rockets hot from three is prolly the best offense in the nba, and the nuggets were a top 5 offense where murray went from a really strong solid player to one of the best offensive players in the nba in the playoffs.

Even the heat had a 115.1 offensive rtg in the playoffs before us, which would be second in the nba, playing the 6th, 1st (and all time level first place at that), and 4th best offenses in the nba

Like if were being honest, we clamped up the blazers, beat the rockets when they were hot from three when the idea was they were unbeatable if they were, the nuggets had 2 games and a quarter with good offense vs us, and even the heat had 3 good offensive games and 3 bad ones vs us.

Im not worried about our D getting worse because its mostly AD and bron for why our defense was so good in the playoffs. Rondo was good in zone vs houstan and dwight was good vs jokic but they were the driving forces, the others were things that helped.

Otoh, for teams harder to stop were gonna need to improve our offense a bit more.The nets and the bucks bucks esp look REALLY scary, not sure which one seems scarier, although its worth mentioning that we are prolly better defensively in the playoffs than the bucks and were better offensively as well, and i think the nets will beat them cuz of my gut lol
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Post#555 » by Greyhound » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:01 am

nzahir wrote:Would like Green over Kieff, but how much does he want if he opted out of 5m?

I want some 2021 flexibility, but the pickings may be getting slim. I still do really love Lowry if we had a chance, but I wonder how many years KCP gets.

A 1 year deal would be perfect, 2 year deal is also fine to go after Cp3 or Beal in 2022 if available.

But I am not sure what deal KCP gets

I rather Morris.

Every championship team needs a quality goon (a real one) on the roster. One that can behave until goon business is required.

It may not seem like much, but he neutralizes his brothers goonery in a potential Clippers matchup. With Houston dead and the Warriors gimpy, the Clippers are looking like the sexy matchup in the west again.
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Post#556 » by nzahir » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:24 am

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nzahir wrote:Would like Green over Kieff, but how much does he want if he opted out of 5m?

I want some 2021 flexibility, but the pickings may be getting slim. I still do really love Lowry if we had a chance, but I wonder how many years KCP gets.

A 1 year deal would be perfect, 2 year deal is also fine to go after Cp3 or Beal in 2022 if available.

But I am not sure what deal KCP gets

I rather Morris.

Every championship team needs a quality goon (a real one) on the roster. One that can behave until goon business is required.

It may not seem like much, but he neutralizes his brothers goonery in a potential Clippers matchup. With Houston dead and the Warriors gimpy, the Clippers are looking like the sexy matchup in the west again.

Maybe, but I think Dwight is also that guy a bit, no? (assuming we bring him back)

On a side note, Clips got 4 seconds and Kennard (injury risk and wants money) for Shamet...

Excited for tomorrow, not entirely sure what I expect to happen
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Post#557 » by trickshot » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:22 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:Imo we have two options

Try to get a full mle player type like ivaka and fill out with minimums for guys like (hopefully) matthews and them

Or get some decent value mle 3 and D wings and combo guards

Either way the lakers offense had problems with spacing in the playoffs which is kind of crazy considering how good we still were. We'll see how the team is.

Itll be hard to stop the contenders this year (clips/nets/bucks) but keep in mind that our defense in the playoffs was crazy, sure out def rtg was only avg ish but we went against 3 teams all in that top offense level.

The blazers were the best offense in the league when healthy, the rockets were hot from three vs us and rockets hot from three is prolly the best offense in the nba, and the nuggets were a top 5 offense where murray went from a really strong solid player to one of the best offensive players in the nba in the playoffs.

Even the heat had a 115.1 offensive rtg in the playoffs before us, which would be second in the nba, playing the 6th, 1st (and all time level first place at that), and 4th best offenses in the nba

Like if were being honest, we clamped up the blazers, beat the rockets when they were hot from three when the idea was they were unbeatable if they were, the nuggets had 2 games and a quarter with good offense vs us, and even the heat had 3 good offensive games and 3 bad ones vs us.

Im not worried about our D getting worse because its mostly AD and bron for why our defense was so good in the playoffs. Rondo was good in zone vs houstan and dwight was good vs jokic but they were the driving forces, the others were things that helped.

Otoh, for teams harder to stop were gonna need to improve our offense a bit more.The nets and the bucks bucks esp look REALLY scary, not sure which one seems scarier, although its worth mentioning that we are prolly better defensively in the playoffs than the bucks and were better offensively as well, and i think the nets will beat them cuz of my gut lol

Go for depth. You were the only team in the playoffs that had the bench versatility to change it's lineup in 3 straight series. That's pretty underrated. There are no swiss army knife roleplayers worth sacrificing that this FA
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Post#558 » by MyUniBroDavis » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:06 pm

donnieme wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Imo we have two options

Try to get a full mle player type like ivaka and fill out with minimums for guys like (hopefully) matthews and them

Or get some decent value mle 3 and D wings and combo guards

Either way the lakers offense had problems with spacing in the playoffs which is kind of crazy considering how good we still were. We'll see how the team is.

Itll be hard to stop the contenders this year (clips/nets/bucks) but keep in mind that our defense in the playoffs was crazy, sure out def rtg was only avg ish but we went against 3 teams all in that top offense level.

The blazers were the best offense in the league when healthy, the rockets were hot from three vs us and rockets hot from three is prolly the best offense in the nba, and the nuggets were a top 5 offense where murray went from a really strong solid player to one of the best offensive players in the nba in the playoffs.

Even the heat had a 115.1 offensive rtg in the playoffs before us, which would be second in the nba, playing the 6th, 1st (and all time level first place at that), and 4th best offenses in the nba

Like if were being honest, we clamped up the blazers, beat the rockets when they were hot from three when the idea was they were unbeatable if they were, the nuggets had 2 games and a quarter with good offense vs us, and even the heat had 3 good offensive games and 3 bad ones vs us.

Im not worried about our D getting worse because its mostly AD and bron for why our defense was so good in the playoffs. Rondo was good in zone vs houstan and dwight was good vs jokic but they were the driving forces, the others were things that helped.

Otoh, for teams harder to stop were gonna need to improve our offense a bit more.The nets and the bucks bucks esp look REALLY scary, not sure which one seems scarier, although its worth mentioning that we are prolly better defensively in the playoffs than the bucks and were better offensively as well, and i think the nets will beat them cuz of my gut lol

Go for depth. You were the only team in the playoffs that had the bench versatility to change it's lineup in 3 straight series. That's pretty underrated. There are no swiss army knife roleplayers worth sacrificing that this FA


I wouldnt say thats a depth thing rather than an archetype thing

Essentially the idea is we can go big, go small, or go normally, and all we really need for that is a stretch 4 (since AD can play as a small ball 5 which is kind of broken), and a strong 5 (dwight would be good).
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Post#559 » by trickshot » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:34 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
donnieme wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:Imo we have two options

Try to get a full mle player type like ivaka and fill out with minimums for guys like (hopefully) matthews and them

Or get some decent value mle 3 and D wings and combo guards

Either way the lakers offense had problems with spacing in the playoffs which is kind of crazy considering how good we still were. We'll see how the team is.

Itll be hard to stop the contenders this year (clips/nets/bucks) but keep in mind that our defense in the playoffs was crazy, sure out def rtg was only avg ish but we went against 3 teams all in that top offense level.

The blazers were the best offense in the league when healthy, the rockets were hot from three vs us and rockets hot from three is prolly the best offense in the nba, and the nuggets were a top 5 offense where murray went from a really strong solid player to one of the best offensive players in the nba in the playoffs.

Even the heat had a 115.1 offensive rtg in the playoffs before us, which would be second in the nba, playing the 6th, 1st (and all time level first place at that), and 4th best offenses in the nba

Like if were being honest, we clamped up the blazers, beat the rockets when they were hot from three when the idea was they were unbeatable if they were, the nuggets had 2 games and a quarter with good offense vs us, and even the heat had 3 good offensive games and 3 bad ones vs us.

Im not worried about our D getting worse because its mostly AD and bron for why our defense was so good in the playoffs. Rondo was good in zone vs houstan and dwight was good vs jokic but they were the driving forces, the others were things that helped.

Otoh, for teams harder to stop were gonna need to improve our offense a bit more.The nets and the bucks bucks esp look REALLY scary, not sure which one seems scarier, although its worth mentioning that we are prolly better defensively in the playoffs than the bucks and were better offensively as well, and i think the nets will beat them cuz of my gut lol

Go for depth. You were the only team in the playoffs that had the bench versatility to change it's lineup in 3 straight series. That's pretty underrated. There are no swiss army knife roleplayers worth sacrificing that this FA


I wouldnt say thats a depth thing rather than an archetype thing

Essentially the idea is we can go big, go small, or go normally, and all we really need for that is a stretch 4 (since AD can play as a small ball 5 which is kind of broken), and a strong 5 (dwight would be good).

Archetype, depth, versatility, whatever you want to call it. Being able to go from guarding Houston comfortable to guarding Jokic comfortably was underrated. Many of Lebron's old teams had massive depth holes and could only play and defend one way. Your roster does have a couple defensive holes against big wings. Even Playoff P was getting whatever he wanted in those regular season matchups. Might want to plug that hole
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Post#560 » by RCM88x » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:35 pm

Jeff Green would be a good pickup too IMO. I think he plays great with LeBron.
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