Official Miami Heat Off-Season GT - Saving you from IggieCC

[The Bunk]

Elfrid Payton just got released from the knicks along with Portis and Gibson. Wonder if Elfrid would be a fit here? I know some also wanted Portis to play next to Bam

Portis doesn't fit the culture. Poor locker room fit.

[The Bunk]

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[carnageta]

Now I'll make the situation less complicated: If Karl-Anthony Towns demands to be traded to the Miami Heat, will Pat answer the phone?

We all know the answer to that. KAT, despite having some rough edges, is a generational talent and has potential to be the best big in the league.

Pat would absolutely pick up.

Pat would compromise all his core values to trade a ton for an all offense, near zero reliable defense center that doesn't like his coaches to cuss or yell(something Spoelstra does a lot of)?

This isn't 2k. That said, if Towns had the right mindset(which he probably won't ever have) he could be a top 5 player easily.

You’re kidding yourself if you truly believe Riley wouldn’t be interested in a talent like KAT if he willingly came out and stated that he wanted to be traded to Miami.

[Wiltside]

Giannis' deadline for the supermax signing is December 21. So there's still a month to play out there.

Not surprised we extended the QO for Vincent. His GLeague numbers were terrific, even if he sucked pretty bad in the minutes he did get with us in the big leagues. Still, there's something there that's worth pursuing with.

I can't imagine we're just going to run it back. Surely we have something in the works?

[gom]

My post from 5/28 on the T&T "Team Needs" forum:

Miami's biggest need isn't at wing or point guard, where the team is pretty well served. I expect Miami will keep its young pieces like Nunn & Herro, especially in the face of salary cap constraints. I feel Miami needs a power forward to run next to Adebayo more than help in the backcourt.

I predict this offseason Miami will resign Crowder and Derrick Jones Jr to one-year deals and draft a front court player to develop (C or PF, Precious Achiuwa, Aleksej Pokuševski, Vernon Carey, or Jalen Smith), but Miami's next significant piece should be someone like Giannis or Davis rather than Beal.

I expect Miami to resign Dragic too, so money will be scarce. It's the same everywhere though.

The end goal should be to pair Butler & Adebayo with another key piece.

Seems right still to me, except now I don't believe we will match a deal for Derrick Jones Jr (which is a pity, because I love watching him play.) I think he signs a deal with a team where he is guaranteed more playing time. I also feel Meyers Leonard may move on, which (for me at least) is a bummer. I really like him. We will be fine though.

I'm happy we extended the QO to Gabe Vincent. This season we have 4 players to intensely develop:

(1) Chris Silva
(2) Precious Achiuwa
(3) KZ Okpala
(4) Gabe Vincent

I think we'll probably swap out Kyle Alexander for another piece, but not sure. He was injured for a while at the end of the bubble. Okpala probably has the most pressure on him to perform at a higher level. Just saw the tweet above. Good.

[DayofMourning]

When are we doing that trade to get Lowry and Serge?

[Beenie]

Hayward opted out.

A one year deal wouldn't likely get it done otherwise he would have opted-in for his 30+ million contract.

Unless he just really wanted out of Boston.

It's worth exploring for Mia but unlikely that anything materializes.

[gom]

Hayward will probably sign a multi-year deal with the Knicks. Knicks are serious about trying to make a competitive team this season.

Spoiler:

[Beenie]

Hayward will probably sign a multi-year deal with the Knicks. Knicks are serious about trying to make a competitive team this season.

At this stage of his career, it would be shocking if Hayward signed with NY who is hopeless in their chances to make the playoffs next year.

[gom]

Hayward will probably sign a multi-year deal with the Knicks. Knicks are serious about trying to make a competitive team this season.

At this stage of his career, it would be shocking if Hayward signed with NY who is hopeless in their chances to make the playoffs next year.

Prepare yourself for a shock then. He declined a $34m player option. That money's coming back from someone. For me it reeks of the Knicks.

[dean456]

Ibaka makes almost too much sense for us rn. Way more of a Pat Riley/Heat culture guy than Gallo could ever hope to be. The more I look at that line up the more I fall in love. It doesn't matter if you're playing against the starters or the bench, you are going to get suffocated by relentless defense and 3 point threats while giving us size on the court to match up against teams with good bigs. If we had at least one decent big not named Bam in the play off we might have pulled it off regardless of the injuries.

At this point, it'd have to be a sign and trade, right? Jae and Goran are going to take our cap space.

Yeah most likely a sign and trade. But out of the teams Ibaka's been rumoured to sign with Ibaka would only be receiving at max the full MLE unless they also planned to do a S&T, so that's also a possibility.

[dean456]

We all know the answer to that. KAT, despite having some rough edges, is a generational talent and has potential to be the best big in the league.

Pat would absolutely pick up.

Pat would compromise all his core values to trade a ton for an all offense, near zero reliable defense center that doesn't like his coaches to cuss or yell(something Spoelstra does a lot of)?

This isn't 2k. That said, if Towns had the right mindset(which he probably won't ever have) he could be a top 5 player easily.

You’re kidding yourself if you truly believe Riley wouldn’t be interested in a talent like KAT if he willingly came out and stated that he wanted to be traded to Miami.

It might peak Riley's interest but if Jimmy tells him no then he's not going to make a deal. Jimmy has already called it, the guy is soft. Not a Miami Heat type player.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Pat would compromise all his core values to trade a ton for an all offense, near zero reliable defense center that doesn't like his coaches to cuss or yell(something Spoelstra does a lot of)?

This isn't 2k. That said, if Towns had the right mindset(which he probably won't ever have) he could be a top 5 player easily.

You’re kidding yourself if you truly believe Riley wouldn’t be interested in a talent like KAT if he willingly came out and stated that he wanted to be traded to Miami.

It might peak Riley's interest but if Jimmy tells him no then he's not going to make a deal. Jimmy has already called it, the guy is soft. Not a Miami Heat type player.

Jimmy's problem wasn't necessarily with KAT. His problem was with the organization not holding guys accountable because they wanted to baby them. That wouldn't happen here. Sure Jimmy would probably be consulted but Jimmy's not going to say no to making the team better.

In my opinion I'm not going to judge the character of player in a bad organization if it was the Spurs, Mavs, Raptors, etc then I think it would be room for concern but even if any of that matter, Pat signed Dion, James Johnson and Whiteside who all were Anti HeatCulture guys before and excluding JJ after.

[dean456]

Hayward will probably sign a multi-year deal with the Knicks. Knicks are serious about trying to make a competitive team this season.

At this stage of his career, it would be shocking if Hayward signed with NY who is hopeless in their chances to make the playoffs next year.

Prepare yourself for a shock then. He declined a $34m player option. That money's coming back from someone. For me it reeks of the Knicks.

I think ALT probably more of an option. Boston and ATL been trying to make a trade. But Boston were likely asking for too much so Hayward was like F-it I'm just going to opt out and sign there.

Which is a little scary because I looked at their cap room and they could afford to sign both Hayward and Gallinari with a little left over giving them a team of.

Young/???
Huerter/Reddish
Hayward/Hunter
Gallinari/Collins
Capella/Okongwu/Dedmond

That's going to be a much improved young roster. Their shooting going to be pretty crazy.

[gom]

I don't see Atlanta letting Ainge fleece them for assets when Hayward doesn't want to play for the Celtics anymore. I could be wrong though. You are right that Hayward would help the Hawks, dean456.

[AirP.]

We all know the answer to that. KAT, despite having some rough edges, is a generational talent and has potential to be the best big in the league.

Pat would absolutely pick up.

Pat would compromise all his core values to trade a ton for an all offense, near zero reliable defense center that doesn't like his coaches to cuss or yell(something Spoelstra does a lot of)?

This isn't 2k. That said, if Towns had the right mindset(which he probably won't ever have) he could be a top 5 player easily.

You’re kidding yourself if you truly believe Riley wouldn’t be interested in a talent like KAT if he willingly came out and stated that he wanted to be traded to Miami.

With that comes Butler forcing himself out for being lied to about what this organization is about. It would basically tell everyone that this "culture" thing was just a gimic.

[AirP.]

Jimmy's problem wasn't necessarily with KAT. His problem was with the organization not holding guys accountable because they wanted to baby them. That wouldn't happen here. Sure Jimmy would probably be consulted but Jimmy's not going to say no to making the team better.

In my opinion I'm not going to judge the character of player in a bad organization if it was the Spurs, Mavs, Raptors, etc then I think it would be room for concern but even if any of that matter, Pat signed Dion, James Johnson and Whiteside who all were Anti HeatCulture guys before and excluding JJ after.

Butler's whole issue was Towns who was seen by the owner as the franchise player and placated him. Towns was actively trying to get Thibodeau fired during their playoff season, Thibodeau was probably the only reason Butler was fine playing there(Thibodeau teams play the way Butler likes). He saw the writing on the wall for Thibodeau and with that forced his way out. In my opinion Thibodeau wouldn't trade Butler because he believes winning would stop ownership from going along with Towns but Butler thought otherwise.

The famous practice with Butler, he was calling Towns out the whole time, after the practice Wiggins was friendly with Butler, Towns not so much. If you talk to all those players on the Timberwolves roster, you'll probably only get 1 player who won't say nice things about Butler... Towns. Butler never really butted heads with Wiggins, the worst he said was that Wiggins went like 70%, just image what he'd do going 100%. Now Wiggins brother is a different story.

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[Feel_the_Heat15]

Why is Payton SUCH a need? He’d be our 3rd string PG

Our guard defense is mediocre and Payton is an elite defender. That's how he's a need.

I don’t think our guard defense is so bad that we need to sacrifice for a guy who is such a liability on offense.

Also don’t want to look at a player who was a below average to mediocre player on horrible teams as someone who will put us over the top.

The amount Payton would hurt us offensively takes away anything he would do on D. I’d rather see if Nunn can improve defensively (after finishing on the 1st team all rookie team).

Honestly, have you watched Payton? He’s pretty atrocious. People like to think he is Rondo but he is a poor mans version of Rondo which is.... well.... bad

Nunn, Dragic and Herro are subpar defenders. Look at teams like the Bucks, Raptors and Celtics. They all have good guard defense. Marcus Smart is a bad offensive player but do you think the Celtics would be better if they didn't have him? What about the Lakers and Rondo? We even had Winslow here and even though he wasn't a good offensive player he still managed to make us a better team. Being able to shoot isn't the only thing that matters. Payton was actually a really good player for the teams he was on. Teams played better when he was on the court than when he was off. Payton's career TS% is 49.6% and he played on terrible teams his entire career. It's bad but he kind of makes up for it by having a great assist to turnover ratio and he's a good rebounder. It's not like Payton is going to attempt 10 shots a game anyways.

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[JLop]

Giannis' deadline for the supermax signing is December 21. So there's still a month to play out there.

Not surprised we extended the QO for Vincent. His GLeague numbers were terrific, even if he sucked pretty bad in the minutes he did get with us in the big leagues. Still, there's something there that's worth pursuing with.

I can't imagine we're just going to run it back. Surely we have something in the works?

Hayward opted out. It's true what you said about how much money he will lose, but I also said that he wanted to get out of Boston. With Hayward we are adding another ball handler and he is an improvement over Jae Crowder. We can sign him along the lines of four-years, $90 million. This will keep Miami flexible to sign Giannis Antetokounmpo in free agency. Gordon will be in beautiful Miami without taxes, a good group of players and playing in the finals every year of his contract. He was inclined to play for the Heat when Whiteside was our best player. We sign Gordon Hayward, Danilo Gallinari and Serge Ibaka, and we are back in the finals. I also mentioned about picking a fast, strong power forward to be part of the second unit on a rookie salary (Precious Achiuwa). If the Bucks want to trade Giannis, we can offer them Bam and that team wins the final.