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The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#661 » by Indomitable » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:50 am

ImSlower wrote:Williams is going to continue to be a tough sell, I think for those skeptical of the pick. Kornisovas seems absolutely set on the kid, so I am envisioning a real pillar of our team in a few years. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't put up a typical #4 pick's amount of minutes this year. His youth is a good thing, but we might not see this kid as a starter for a year or two.

Or what the hell do I know. I hope he comes out absolutely blasting on defense, and we can't keep him off the court.

Why is it a tough sell? In 20 days pre season begins. This will not be a regular off season.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#662 » by Chi town » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:02 am

PW will play 15mpg from the jump IMO. His D and IQ will keep him on the court. If he gets better like he did w FSU then he will be getting big mins by the end of the season.

Can’t wait to watch against Lebron and Luka.
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Post#663 » by Rose2Boozer » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:09 am

AK seemed to be overselling Patrick Williams' ball handling skills and that's a mistake. Most fans have no idea who Williams is and you don't want to give fans the impression that they're getting a prospect in one mold when in reality they're getting another. Williams played his freshman season at FSU under Leonard Hamilton. If Patrick Williams was this great former point guard ball handler, Hamilton would've definitely made use of those skills. I would hate to see this kid oversold to the point fans start believing he's a bust.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#664 » by Magic beans » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:10 am

Chi town wrote:PW will play 15mpg from the jump IMO. His D and IQ will keep him on the court. If he gets better like he did w FSU then he will be getting big mins by the end of the season.

Can’t wait to watch against Lebron and Luka.


Having conducted further research on this kid, I do feel slightly more optimistic. Agree his D and IQ look good however doesn’t look very fluid offensively. My other concern is he could become a “ tweeter” not a 3 not really a 4?!!?

But hey these are different times in AK I trust.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#665 » by chicago paxsons » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:20 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:AK seemed to be overselling Patrick Williams' ball handling skills and that's a mistake. Most fans have no idea who Williams is and you don't want to give fans the impression that they're getting a prospect in one mold when in reality they're getting another. Williams played his freshman season at FSU under Leonard Hamilton. If Patrick Williams was this great former point guard ball handler, Hamilton would've definitely made use of those skills. I would hate to see this kid oversold to the point fans start believing he's a bust.


In defense of ak, the videos we are able to see are not at all recent and ak has been able to see him workout in the last month or so. We don't know what improvements, if any, williams has made, but if ak is so confident then williams might have made noticable strides.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#666 » by ZOMG » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:24 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:AK seemed to be overselling Patrick Williams' ball handling skills and that's a mistake. Most fans have no idea who Williams is and you don't want to give fans the impression that they're getting a prospect in one mold when in reality they're getting another. Williams played his freshman season at FSU under Leonard Hamilton. If Patrick Williams was this great former point guard ball handler, Hamilton would've definitely made use of those skills. I would hate to see this kid oversold to the point fans start believing he's a bust.


The "he used to be a PG" thing doesn't mean anything. I'd venture to guess 90% of NBA players used to hande the ball a lot when they were kids because they were always by far the best player on the team.

It's 10 times more difficult to be a ballhandler in top NCAA competition, and when you get to the NBA... don't even get me started.

As we've seen from Markkanen (who has a "PG background", LOL) you can look pretty competent in the open court if you have some feel for the ball. But making plays in half court, in traffic, is TOTALLY another thing.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#667 » by BullsFTW » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:41 am

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#668 » by Senor Chang » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:48 am

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Fischella wrote:I was floored by this and I like Pat, he is going to be good I just don't get the ceiling play and we are talking about the 4th pick in the Draft

The Bulls got nobody worth drafting for fit around, and to me Williams isn't even in the convo for BPA at that point, I don't see the upside/value play, he is going to be very solid but he is just not dynamic enough, very young and supposedly very hard worker, but still

He does know how to play and has some shooting potential, but even though he is well built, he is athleticism is pretty piss poor outside of just pure jumping, movement is rough, can't hang out on the perimeter on D, nor create much for himself or others

He is probably a solid starting PF at some point for a good team (he is def not a 3)



Who were you hoping to draft at 4?


I'd have def taken Deni over PatWill, also Okoro, also Toppin although he is not a fit, but who cares


I like PatWil more than any of those guys, honestly. The one i wanted in this draft was Killian Hayes. I was ready to name my child Killian if it was a boy. Heck i might still do that because i like Killian's Red beer. Okongwu also, i would have drafted him @4 and figured out the fit later. Those two aside? im okay with Patrick Williams.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#669 » by Rose2Boozer » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:50 am

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Rose2Boozer wrote:AK seemed to be overselling Patrick Williams' ball handling skills and that's a mistake. Most fans have no idea who Williams is and you don't want to give fans the impression that they're getting a prospect in one mold when in reality they're getting another. Williams played his freshman season at FSU under Leonard Hamilton. If Patrick Williams was this great former point guard ball handler, Hamilton would've definitely made use of those skills. I would hate to see this kid oversold to the point fans start believing he's a bust.


The "he used to be a PG" thing doesn't mean anything. I'd venture to guess 90% of NBA players used to hande the ball a lot when they were kids because they were always by far the best player on the team.

It's 10 times more difficult to be a ballhandler in top NCAA competition, and when you get to the NBA... don't even get me started.

As we've seen from Markkanen (who has a "PG background", LOL) you can look pretty competent in the open court if you have some feel for the ball. But making plays in half court, in traffic, is TOTALLY another thing.


Absolutely. Leonard Hamilton signed a top recruit, Scottie Barnes. He's 6'8", 225lbs just like Williams. Watch a few FSU games. Hamilton will without question take advantage of Barnes ball handling and playmaking skills. It just wasn't in Patrick Williams, and that's why he didn't show it.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#670 » by fleet » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:13 am

Hey everyone develops at different times and ways. Barnes may or may not be able to be better, but that doesn’t necessarily reflect on Williams. We shall see. AK claims there was something Williams can do that he didn’t show in college. The biggest handles problem to fix for Williams is that once he starts to make his shot moves, it appears he isn’t good enough to pass out of it if he runs into trouble. Or good enough to set up someone in a secondary playmaker role. Not that I can recall seeing. The bread and butter plays. AK didnt specify what he was impressed with. The handles AK is likely referring to is stuff like taking the ball off the glass and going down to set up or shoot on the other side. And having the ability to get off his own shot. The problem with that is, he won’t be able to get off his own shot in the NBA once the defense understands they can blitz him without worrying about getting burned. Hopefully he has gained or gotten better at that which he did not show.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#671 » by Portiseyes » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:27 am



Patrick is growing on me man. The more I think about it the more it’s just gotta be that he was showing AK that he had the body fluidity of late to legitimately defend threes, and that his handles and shooting were improved since end of NCAA. So of course it would be silly not to trust what he, ME and team telling us they saw, at least for now.

At first I was a little worried about him being sort of reserved, combined with him coming off the bench last year, and had a bit of a rant about WCJ earlier in thread. But it’s mostly because this is such a young team and I am genuinely worried after the last couple years if they can find that fire, individually and collectively, that will elevate everyone’s play (along with health and good coaching). But yeah, I guess I was a little gun shy about the mentals, but the more I see of him the less concerned I am. Like there’s not a lot to glean from the Predraft interview above, but I sort of come off thinking that this dude is one tough cookie for a 19 yr old, he stuck to his guns/script and didn’t give an inch when asked about workouts, like he had a diploma from the lovie smith school of press-conference giving. And he’s pretty adamant about this 1-4 thing... I mean you can say the kid is humble, esp with him saying he’ll be happy to hand out Gatorades if that’s the role the Bulls want him to play, but can you actually think of a less humble thing to say than he believes he can play 1 - 4 in the freaking NBA???

Maybe he does have that pathological sort of drive in him for real... hope so and hope he doesn’t get discouraged if he has more misses than makes this year (him being seen as raw may be a blessing in disguise in this regard)... time will certainly tell.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#672 » by Friend_Of_Haley » Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:48 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:AK seemed to be overselling Patrick Williams' ball handling skills and that's a mistake. Most fans have no idea who Williams is and you don't want to give fans the impression that they're getting a prospect in one mold when in reality they're getting another. Williams played his freshman season at FSU under Leonard Hamilton. If Patrick Williams was this great former point guard ball handler, Hamilton would've definitely made use of those skills. I would hate to see this kid oversold to the point fans start believing he's a bust.

Counterpoint: fans are dumb and who cares what they think. Either he puts up W or not.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#673 » by PhilLeotardo » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:07 pm

Friend_Of_Haley wrote:
Rose2Boozer wrote:AK seemed to be overselling Patrick Williams' ball handling skills and that's a mistake. Most fans have no idea who Williams is and you don't want to give fans the impression that they're getting a prospect in one mold when in reality they're getting another. Williams played his freshman season at FSU under Leonard Hamilton. If Patrick Williams was this great former point guard ball handler, Hamilton would've definitely made use of those skills. I would hate to see this kid oversold to the point fans start believing he's a bust.

Counterpoint: fans are dumb and who cares what they think. Either he puts up W or not.


AKEVS are definitely operating this way

“F*ck what the fans think, ignore them & stay focused”

I’m sure everyone is being told to drown out the noise & keep their eyes on the prize. Things have been real quiet lately

Bulls fans are bruuuuuuuuutal, miserable, and exhausted. They can’t be paid attention & their feelings shouldn’t matter. AK is handling business like an organized general

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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#674 » by gobullschi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:57 pm

I went down the Patrick Williams rabbit hole last night watching every video available on YouTube. AK is right. The more you study him the more you like him.

For anyone who is questioning whether or not he can play small forward, watch his high school highlights. He might have the highest ceiling in the draft (except Wiseman). The ball handling talent is there. I don’t understand why he didn’t show it off more at Florida State.
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Post#675 » by cjbulls » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:18 pm

gobullschi wrote:I went down the Patrick Williams rabbit hole last night watching every video available on YouTube. AK is right. The more you study him the more you like him.

For anyone who is questioning whether or not he can play small forward, watch his high school highlights. He might have the highest ceiling in the draft (except Wiseman). The ball handling talent is there. I don’t understand why he didn’t show it off more at Florida State.


If he can legitimately play as a wing/3, then his size and eventual shooting can make him a very valuable player. If he’s a combo/4, there isn’t much of an opportunity for him to be more than a starting caliber player/Otto Porter type.

His FSU video screams the latter, but perhaps he can keep working on his body to get quicker. Guys tend to do the opposite though as their body matures.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#676 » by gobullschi » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:51 pm

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gobullschi wrote:I went down the Patrick Williams rabbit hole last night watching every video available on YouTube. AK is right. The more you study him the more you like him.

For anyone who is questioning whether or not he can play small forward, watch his high school highlights. He might have the highest ceiling in the draft (except Wiseman). The ball handling talent is there. I don’t understand why he didn’t show it off more at Florida State.


If he can legitimately play as a wing/3, then his size and eventual shooting can make him a very valuable player. If he’s a combo/4, there isn’t much of an opportunity for him to be more than a starting caliber player/Otto Porter type.

His FSU video screams the latter, but perhaps he can keep working on his body to get quicker. Guys tend to do the opposite though as their body matures.


100%

I would love for someone to interview Florida State’s head coach and find out why he wasn’t allowed to create off the dribble and operate the PnR more often.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#677 » by PlayerUp » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:31 pm

Williams was not who I expected the Bulls to take but I'm glad AK is focusing on raw talent upside versus safe picks. Going to the safe route has not done anything for us in over 8 seasons. Time for a change and lets see how this plays out.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#678 » by TheFinishSniper » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:38 pm

PlayerUp wrote:Williams was not who I expected the Bulls to take but I'm glad AK is focusing on raw talent upside versus safe picks. Going to the safe route has not done anything for us in over 8 seasons. Time for a change and lets see how this plays out.

Dont get me wrong I have and I dont think most of us have anything with picking him. Most of my problems with him comes where he was taken. And that's problem with draft pick leaks.

Pistons knew we were high on him and they tried to skip us. It's reason why we couldnt trade down let's say at 6 and get another asset and still pick him before Pistons did. This wont matter if he pans out. But we didnt Ainge it. And got player we wanted + extra assets we could. Because our pick chest is empty.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#679 » by sco » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:38 pm

PlayerUp wrote:Williams was not who I expected the Bulls to take but I'm glad AK is focusing on raw talent upside versus safe picks. Going to the safe route has not done anything for us in over 8 seasons. Time for a change and lets see how this plays out.

I agree. I think the right move was to go with the highest upside (vs. the safest pick), and look, he may be a bust - stats would suggest that he will be, but it doesn't mean it was the wrong pick.
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Re: The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall. 

Post#680 » by Simpleton » Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:40 pm

When someone gives Jerami Grant 20 million/year over the next few days people will start to feel better about the pick because Grant is Williams' floor.

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