Rumors and Discussion Thread (NYK and NBA) IV

[F N 11]

Knicks should give Toppins teammate Jalen Crutcher a camp invite. 47/42/87 line 15ppg 5apg

Obi already said he can see RJ being his Crutcher.

[mpharris36]

Pelicans have Ball, Bledsoe and Hill at pg and Knicks can’t find one..

also Kira Lewis

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I just want to get rid of Randle in some way.

[BugginOut]

We don't need to draft any more projects

We already have:
3 projects (DSJ, Frank, Knox);
2 Developing young players with potential (Mitch, RJ); and now
3 rookies (Obi, Quickley, Powell)

That's not even including Iggy. We need players who can come in right away and contribute. Obi was the right move. Some of you want to draft someone like Deni based on hype, who would end up turning into the next Mario Hezonja.

[YungKnicks]

Knicks should give Toppins teammate Jalen Crutcher a camp invite. 47/42/87 line 15ppg 5apg

he's returning to school. also not sure he's even considered an NBA caliber prospect

Really? I thought he was a senior. Ok

[Richard4444]

Due to current circumstances if there was a year to punt, this is it. No telling if we even have a complete season.

It’s a lot of “why don’t we just play the kids and live with the results” people that’s scared now that we may just play the kids and develop lol

I've always wanted to play the kids and tank.
My issue is that if this is the direction they take, what they did in the draft made absolutely no sense. They drafted older players and gave away the 33rd. A tanking team would have taken projects (maybe avdija and hampton perhaps) and used that 33rd pick instead of bringing in vets like alec burks. I thought they had a good draft if the context was that they were trying to win. If they're trying to tank I'm scratching my head at what they did

I am under the same impression that we are trying to win now. We hired an agent as president, a contender coach (not a development one). And we draft for immediate contribution and we went for low-risk players (our front office/coach staff knows the players very well).

A tanking team would have tried to bring more high risks/high wards guys specially with picks 20-40 picks. We missed good projects that could have been turned into assets like Hampton, Bane, and Terry (maybe too risky due to his frame and I wonder if he could fit into Thibs playing style).

Thats said, I still think we are signing win-now players even if we miss Gordon and Fred,

WB, Melo, Rozier and Bledsoe cant be discarded for the time being.

[F N 11]

I just want to get rid of Randle in some way.

This please! Get this selfish guy off my team. Had a whole chance to be a playmaker and chose to not pass out of double teams like Amare. Obi already a better decision maker than him. Get him up outta here.

[DLTGWH]

I feel like you thought this up expecting me to have said we were gonna sign all the max guys, but when I didn't and answered your question of what I'd do by explaining the value of bad contracts you didn't have a reply

Cause otherwise this reply makes no sense.

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Ok I'll bite.

Unless Billy King has been hired by the Wiz, expecting any team to trade 3 FRPs that aren't highly protected without getting a superstar back is what's lunacy. Whats the Wiz's motivation for trading Wall exactly? They stink. They aren't attracting any big time free agents. So what are they doing with their saved $40M? Trade him for another disgruntled overpaid malcontent where you have to give much less to complete.

Imagine Knicks owed Julius Fumble 3/160. How would you feel if another team came calling Rose to give three unprotected FRPs to take on salary. Knicks probably better off sending orange julius home. And trying again the following year when he only has 2/80 left (and other year of rehab/health)

Only teams that actual trade FRPs to clear bad cap/players are teams in expected top 10. IMO 1 Wiz unprotected in 2023 is much more valuable than three protected Jazz picks, for example.

If they wouldn't trade 3 picks to clear him then don't do it

I don't know why you're under the impression we must trade for Wall and take whatever Washington gives us when it's not a good value for us.

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I guess that’s where we disagree. Washington’s unprotected 2023 huge value.

No one is trading 3 unpreoteced FRPs to simply remove a player so it’s moot. Might as well say unless knicks get 10 FRPs back. Which is my point

[3toheadmelo]

Sell people? Lol you guys never been through a real rebuild and it’s clear y’all rather build a team through free agency.

You don’t even want a rebuild. You want the Knicks to sign a washed up Hayward

To the right deal yes. We don’t have a SF if RJ is not playing there. Knox is still a question Mark. You only sign guys if it makes sense. Not because you want to just throw money away.

It doesn’t make any sense for any deal if you want a rebuild. All he’s doing is taking away playing time from our youth.

[oldshoolballer]

Terry Rozier's days are probably numbered with Lamelo in the fold. He's no All Star but not bad. Randle for Rozier?

[Mr Rabbit]

Too much premature rebuild talk. Woj about to announce we gave Hayward 4yrs/$100mil and traded for Brodie like...

[BugginOut]

We’re not going to make any big signings. We’re saving for 2021

And selling people on what?

they don't really need to sell anybody on anything, they're the Knicks + arenas will be empty/limited capacity

if they continue to avoid major signings its because of 2 things 1) weak FA class 2) strong 2021 draft

but if you need to be sold, how about this: right now, we're looking like a bottom 5 team, which would put us in position to land a very good pick. Obviously, getting #1 and Cade would be great, but the class is deep and there's BJ Boston, Jalen Green, and Ziaire Williams, etc. After getting 1, our young core would be very, very strong.

I think we're 1 draft away from the Knicks turning things around

Knicks are always 1 draft away from being....... 1 draft away.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I just want to get rid of Randle in some way.

This please! Get this selfish guy off my team. Had a whole chance to be a playmaker and chose to not pass out of double teams like Amare.

That would be a winning free agency period for me if Leon can get rid of Randle without attaching any of our future picks.

[DaGawd]

Just sitting back waiting for the John Wall trade

[Polk377]

Sell people? Lol you guys never been through a real rebuild and it’s clear y’all rather build a team through free agency.

this isn't a real rebuild, look at what OKC is doing for an example of a real rebuild

No, that’s called cleaning house and not caring about this season. They have Shai and that’s it. We have Mitch, RJ, Obi, and others. It’s clear there’s a lot of people who don’t like their own players. Just don’t hop on the bandwagon when players look really good this year with competent coaching.

That's it really. The Knicks are not rebuilding. They are continuing to build onto what we already have. Stay the course and hope you can develop your own stars while adding complimentary pieces. We have nothing but time and don't have to worry about anyone's win now window.

[NotDikembeSayNo]

At this point just not bringing back Carmelo Anthony would be a huge victory and a good off-season.

[Deeeez Knicks]

A big issue is that the projects we took on were mostly not good players and have not panned out. We ending up wasting time, picks, and roster spots on the wrong players. Or we just dont put them in the right spots to succeed.

[EricAnderson]

Due to current circumstances if there was a year to punt, this is it. No telling if we even have a complete season.

It’s a lot of “why don’t we just play the kids and live with the results” people that’s scared now that we may just play the kids and develop lol

I've always wanted to play the kids and tank.
My issue is that if this is the direction they take, what they did in the draft made absolutely no sense. They drafted older players and gave away the 33rd. A tanking team would have taken projects (maybe avdija and hampton perhaps) and used that 33rd pick instead of bringing in vets like alec burks. I thought they had a good draft if the context was that they were trying to win. If they're trying to tank I'm scratching my head at what they did

Agreed I think in the Nba because it’s about top of the league players you always have to draft upside especially when you’re not any good.. the only time you should draft for floor or a “safe” pick is when you’re a contender and already have the stars and just need complementary pieces around the stars.

The only bright side is neither Toppin or Burks is good enough to add wins were gonna be bad with or without them.

I’m more worried about trading for a Westbrook or sigining a FVV and/or Hayward who could actually win us a few games and do nothing but hurt our position in next years draft.

[Dantares]

Why is everyone talking about the 2021 free agency class? We're not going to be a player in that one, the top guys are:

Giannis
LeBron
Kawhi
PG13
Gobert

Let's be real here, we're not getting any of these guys, and we wouldn't want Gobert. Please let the Giannis dream go, he either signs the supermax with the Bucks or has a chance to play with Luka, why the hell would he pick us over that?

Lol i agree. The only thing we could do is maybe absorb deals so other teams can try and acquire those players.

[Knicksfan1992]

You don’t even want a rebuild. You want the Knicks to sign a washed up Hayward

To the right deal yes. We don’t have a SF if RJ is not playing there. Knox is still a question Mark. You only sign guys if it makes sense. Not because you want to just throw money away.

It doesn’t make any sense for any deal if you want a rebuild. All he’s doing is taking away playing time from our youth.

Knox stinks dude. Let him earn it off the bench of he wants playing time. I'd be honestly shocked if he was still on the roster next offseason. If he shows out in better lineups off the bench or with Hayward at points then great you can trade Hayward or raise Knox's value enough to make him an actually attractive asset. If he sucks then at least we have Hayward who won't drag everyone else down with him like Knox has lol