Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[Celts17Pride]

Turner/Theis/Williams
Tatum/Grant/Giles
Brown/Nesmith
Smart/Harrison/Langford
Kemba/Pritchard/Waters

At this point I’m hoping we give up a future pick for Warren. Want nothing to do with Mcbuckets

Seriously that’s a pretty bad bench for a team competing for an NBA title. I would expect a few more vets coming to the Celtics

[hugepatsfan]

Whether we get Turner or not, we need to upgrade our bench.

Agreed. We are just too good at the top of our roster now to not have a bottom of it.

Kemba | Smart | Brown | Tatum | Turner
?? | ?? | Nesmith | Grant | Timelord

Pretty thin.

You left off Theis who would be a damn fine backup center. If we redirect whatever IND send back with Turner (McDermott, Lamb, Leaf, whatever) to another team, then we can use the full MLE while ducking the tax after adding Turner if we also let Ojeleye go and replace him with a rookie minimum. You can split that MLE up too and basically turn it into a tax payers MLE plus a bi-annual exception, which should let you get two rotation pieces.

That's the key to me. We need to pull in a 3rd team to take whatever IND is sending out with Turner. I don't even care if we need to attach minor assets to it - none of it would really be anything consequential to us. Hayward for Turner + additional FA spending power is a good move for us. It just is. Turner is a good fit on the court now and into the future. He also has trade value around the league. Every year Ainge is trying to move into the lottery and Turner has been pursued for picks there before. His salary is useful and desirable around the league so if we want to make moves for bigger salary guys then he presents options in pulling together trade packages. It just makes too much sense to not do this deal.

[Ernest]

I'd love Jae back but I doubt he would come back. I'm usually against this idea people hold grudges or fail to see it's a business, but I just don't see him coming back no matter what. Hope I'm wrong as he is a good player.

[jfs1000d]

Not even sure I want Turner. The stats aren’t very good.


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[FlatearthZorro]

Want nothing to do with Baynes, Crowder or Rondo. Been there done that with all of em. Give me fresh blood, younger blood

We will be the youngest team in the game, it seems. How much younger do you wants us to be? We need proven vets and a bench that's gonna be able to provide something when it matters. We also need a vet big. Enough with the young blood stuff.

[batabatuta]

So far for our starters, we have Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Smart.
For our 2nd unit, we still have Williams, Nesmith, Prichard, Langford, Grant.
The third unit we have Tacko, Waters,

Are we sticking with this bench or should Danny upgrade?
We are running out of realistic free agents targets.

[CelticsLV]

What kind of exception did Rockets use to sign Wood? Can you combine MLE and BAE? They have no cap space.

edit.

Ahh... It's S&T

[celticfan42487]

Turner/Theis/Williams
Tatum/Grant/Giles
Brown/Nesmith
Smart/Harrison/Langford
Kemba/Pritchard/Waters

At this point I’m hoping we give up a future pick for Warren. Want nothing to do with Mcbuckets

Seriously that’s a pretty bad bench for a team competing for an NBA title. I would expect a few more vets coming to the Celtics

We're not competing for the NBA and never have been since the AD trade fell apart.

We're one MVP short and that's the new and improved situation since Tatum broke out and looks like he'll be a top 15 player.


All that said, I don't know who Harrison is in that proposed lineup. But give me the young guys who could develop to be assets getting minutes on my bench then players with 1 or 2 years left in their legs that might win us 1 meaningless extra game in the second round.

[Homerclease]

Turner/Theis/Williams
Tatum/Grant/Giles
Brown/Nesmith
Smart/Harrison/Langford
Kemba/Pritchard/Waters

At this point I’m hoping we give up a future pick for Warren. Want nothing to do with Mcbuckets

Seriously that’s a pretty bad bench for a team competing for an NBA title. I would expect a few more vets coming to the Celtics

That’s why Ainge wants Warren or Dipo

[Homerclease]

What kind of exception did Rockets use to sign Wood? Can you combine MLE and BAE? They have no cap space.

They did sign and trade

[FlatearthZorro]

So far for our starters, we have Kemba, Brown, Tatum, Theis, Smart.
For our 2nd unit, we still have Williams, Nesmith, Prichard, Langford, Grant.
The third unit we have Tacko, Waters,

Are we sticking with this bench or should Danny upgrade?
We are running out of realistic free agents targets.

We need 1 vet wing, imo, who can shoot the 3 and be solid- Jae fits the bill. And if we could get Turner, we can call it an offseason.

[sully00]

Wing and Guard signings have 0 relevance to the big market. Look at the signings here that a serviceable non-star starting big goes for 9-16M. Turner makes more than that, hence he's a slight negative asset. Do I think we can rehab that value and make it positive, sure, but you don't pay for that on the trade market. The facts are he's a bench big making 18M per year.

Almost no one on that list is a starting C. Half of them play for the Pistons.
Could not disagree more on that take. Wood has started 14 games in his NBA career and Bertans is a back up SF. They have a unique skill at a unique size and that has gotten them paid.

The list isn't a "take" it's literally a list of the big man signings so far. He is playing starter minutes. I jthought Sabonis had completely taken his spot, but would you rather pay 18M for Myles or Poetl and Trez??

Yes Turner was selected for Team USA he is a legit NBA starter since his 2nd season in the NBA and is one of the best shot blockers in the league, lead the league when he was C two seasons ago. I literally don't know who Trez is if that is Robin Lopez then just like Poeltl he is a back big. We just gave one away because we don't want that style of big man anymore.

[Homerclease]

Turner/Theis/Williams
Tatum/Grant/Giles
Brown/Nesmith
Smart/Harrison/Langford
Kemba/Pritchard/Waters

At this point I’m hoping we give up a future pick for Warren. Want nothing to do with Mcbuckets

Seriously that’s a pretty bad bench for a team competing for an NBA title. I would expect a few more vets coming to the Celtics

We're not competing for the NBA and never have been since the AD trade fell apart.

We're one MVP short and that's the new and improved situation since Tatum broke out and looks like he'll be a top 15 player.

Looks like? He’s already a top 15 player and I’d argue top 10

[ConstableGeneva]

Agreed. We are just too good at the top of our roster now to not have a bottom of it.

Kemba | Smart | Brown | Tatum | Turner
?? | ?? | Nesmith | Grant | Timelord

Pretty thin.

You left off Theis who would be a damn fine backup center. If we redirect whatever IND send back with Turner (McDermott, Lamb, Leaf, whatever) to another team, then we can use the full MLE while ducking the tax after adding Turner if we also let Ojeleye go and replace him with a rookie minimum. You can split that MLE up too and basically turn it into a tax payers MLE plus a bi-annual exception, which should let you get two rotation pieces.

That's the key to me. We need to pull in a 3rd team to take whatever IND is sending out with Turner. I don't even care if we need to attach minor assets to it - none of it would really be anything consequential to us. Hayward for Turner + additional FA spending power is a good move for us. It just is. Turner is a good fit on the court now and into the future. He also has trade value around the league. Every year Ainge is trying to move into the lottery and Turner has been pursued for picks there before. His salary is useful and desirable around the league so if we want to make moves for bigger salary guys then he presents options in pulling together trade packages. It just makes too much sense to not do this deal.

Yep, edited after you clicked Reply. In any case, still thin. We'll be digging deep into that FA bargain bin once Hayward's deal is final. Unless we've already gotten commitments from a couple of them.

[hugepatsfan]

I used Jae Crowder in that example because he's probably the most realistic full MLE guy left. Maybe Millsap? But we could sign a wing too and run Tatum back at PF in that lineup I posted. We could use the MLE on a big

The point is, if we do the deal of Hayward for Turner then we still have plenty of wiggle room to avoid the luxury tax to fill out with multiple rotation players.

Even if we gotta include some assets to dump Lamb/Leaf/McDermott whatever on a 3rd team I just feel this would be a great combination of players for us. I don't see a better path for us.

[jfs1000d]

Wing and Guard signings have 0 relevance to the big market. Look at the signings here that a serviceable non-star starting big goes for 9-16M. Turner makes more than that, hence he's a slight negative asset. Do I think we can rehab that value and make it positive, sure, but you don't pay for that on the trade market. The facts are he's a bench big making 18M per year.

Almost no one on that list is a starting C. Half of them play for the Pistons.
Could not disagree more on that take. Wood has started 14 games in his NBA career and Bertans is a back up SF. They have a unique skill at a unique size and that has gotten them paid.

Turner is 24 and can turn into a legit starter under Brad.He's Already been a solid starter in Indy.

Disagree. On/off numbers is negative. Long, but not athletic. Ok shooter, good shot blocker not a great rebounder. Not a great PnR defender.

Too expensive for $18 mil per over next 3 years.


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[Curmudgeon]

Let me wsay it for the third time. It's not Turner and Dipo. It's Turner OR Dipo. Now that Hayward has walked away from $34M, Ainge isn't going to walk right back into luxury tax territory.

[djFan71]

Are either poirier or kanter deals official?
seems like either could be wrapped into the Hayward deal if we need more outgoing salary.

[MagicBagley18]

Almost no one on that list is a starting C. Half of them play for the Pistons.
Could not disagree more on that take. Wood has started 14 games in his NBA career and Bertans is a back up SF. They have a unique skill at a unique size and that has gotten them paid.

Turner is 24 and can turn into a legit starter under Brad.He's Already been a solid starter in Indy.

Disagree. On/off numbers is negative. Long, but not athletic. Ok shooter, good shot blocker not a great rebounder. Not a great PnR defender.

Too expensive for $18 mil per over next 3 years.


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He’s a great salary filler to have and use in trades moving forward. We only have smart right now in that middle ground area. Turner at 18 is very moveable and can be traded easy. Plus he fills a position of need and regardless of any stat u show me he’s better than theis and a new scenery will bring that out.

Plus it moves theis to the bench and that’s a solid depth move and where he belongs

[MagicBagley18]

Let me wsay it for the third time. It's not Turner and Dipo. It's Turner OR Dipo. Now that Hayward has walked away from $34M, Ainge isn't going to walk right back into luxury tax territory.

Constable shown ways where we stay right below the tax