Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[sully00]

Wing and Guard signings have 0 relevance to the big market. Look at the signings here that a serviceable non-star starting big goes for 9-16M. Turner makes more than that, hence he's a slight negative asset. Do I think we can rehab that value and make it positive, sure, but you don't pay for that on the trade market. The facts are he's a bench big making 18M per year.

Almost no one on that list is a starting C. Half of them play for the Pistons.
Could not disagree more on that take. Wood has started 14 games in his NBA career and Bertans is a back up SF. They have a unique skill at a unique size and that has gotten them paid.

The list isn't a "take" it's literally a list of the big man signings so far. He is playing starter minutes. I thought Sabonis had completely taken his spot, but would you rather pay 18M for Myles or Poetl and Trez??

Yes of course they are back ups part time players. Turner was selected for Team USA a season ago. He lead the NBA in blocked shots he has been a starter since his second year in the league.

The biggest difference between Turner being a border line all star two season ago and last season is 4% on his 3pt shot. He took less shots more 3s and shot them slightly worse. Yes I want to see more from him on the glass but he plays next to a hoover, Sabonis was 5th in the NBA rebounds per game with 12.8. Two years ago they didn't play Sabonis and Turner at the same time last year they did. Sabonis emerged as All Star caliber player and Turner regressed a little.

[ConstableGeneva]

I know we haven't signed anyone and the Hayward deal is still in limbo, but what does our cap look like if:

We trade Hayward for Turner and McDermott
sign both Nesmith and Pritchard to their full 120 rookie scale contracts
release Semi and Green.

That would give us a roster of :
Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Turner
Pritchard, Langford, McDermott, G. Will, Theis
Edwards, Nesmith, Timelord

Are we in lux tax area, or are we below and how much could we spend and stay out of the lux tax ?

We can duck the tax. Add a couple of minimum players. No MLE.

[AgentGreen]

Just re-sign Hayward, and scoop up Ibaka or Baynes with the MLE.

Move should've been made already... We are wasting too much time, there isn't a decent option left in FA.

Just trade for Hill with picks, sign a cheap veteran(FA), MLE signing and keep Hayward.

[Green89]

Almost no one on that list is a starting C. Half of them play for the Pistons.
Could not disagree more on that take. Wood has started 14 games in his NBA career and Bertans is a back up SF. They have a unique skill at a unique size and that has gotten them paid.

Turner is 24 and can turn into a legit starter under Brad.He's Already been a solid starter in Indy.

Disagree. On/off numbers is negative. Long, but not athletic. Ok shooter, good shot blocker not a great rebounder. Not a great PnR defender.

Too expensive for $18 mil per over next 3 years.


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So let's just overlook the fact he started for a Pacers team that ranked 3rd and 6th in the league in defensive rating over the past two seasons? Led the league in blocks in 2019, the season they ranked 3rd. This had nothing to do with him because of his on/off?

[ConstableGeneva]

Let me wsay it for the third time. It's not Turner and Dipo. It's Turner OR Dipo. Now that Hayward has walked away from $34M, Ainge isn't going to walk right back into luxury tax territory.

Constable shown ways where we stay right below the tax

NO I DIDN'T! Haha. Not with Oladipo AND Turner. I actually said Dipo has to go to a third team (with little or no salary coming back to us.)

[jfs1000d]

Turner is 24 and can turn into a legit starter under Brad.He's Already been a solid starter in Indy.

Disagree. On/off numbers is negative. Long, but not athletic. Ok shooter, good shot blocker not a great rebounder. Not a great PnR defender.

Too expensive for $18 mil per over next 3 years.


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He’s a great salary filler to have and use in trades moving forward. We only have smart right now in that middle ground area. Turner at 18 is very moveable and can be traded easy. Plus he fills a position of need and regardless of any stat u show me he’s better than theis and a new scenery will bring that out.

Plus it moves theis to the bench and that’s a solid depth move and where he belongs

He is better than Theis. But he isn’t a better rebounder and defender than Theis. Better offensive player for sure.

Theis is more physical and better athlete. Turner is longer and can shoot a bit.

Theis paid $5M. Turner paid $18M.

That to me is why I say no. Give me Warren. I’ll run it back with Theis, Rob and a vet at the 5 over Turner.

Hayward shouldn’t have opted out.


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[TheMartian]

RE: Hayward - beggars can't be choosers. Right now, Turner ++ is the best that Danny can get for Hayward or he walks.

[MagicBagley18]

Let me wsay it for the third time. It's not Turner and Dipo. It's Turner OR Dipo. Now that Hayward has walked away from $34M, Ainge isn't going to walk right back into luxury tax territory.

Constable shown ways where we stay right below the tax

NO I DIDN'T! Haha. Not with Oladipo AND Turner. I actually said Dipo has to go to a third team (with little or no salary coming back to us.)

The bolded letters really make me know I was wrong

[hugepatsfan]

I know we haven't signed anyone and the Hayward deal is still in limbo, but what does our cap look like if:

We trade Hayward for Turner and McDermott
sign both Nesmith and Pritchard to their full 120 rookie scale contracts
release Semi and Green.

That would give us a roster of :
Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Turner
Pritchard, Langford, McDermott, G. Will, Theis
Edwards, Nesmith, Timelord

Are we in lux tax area, or are we below and how much could we spend and stay out of the lux tax ?

That would put us at $128,243,908 for those 13 players. That gives us $4,383,092 of room below the lux tax line. We'd have a couple of options there:

only roll with 14 players and spend that full amount on one player. That gives us slightly less than the room exception
Sign two vet min players for $1,620,564 cap charge each (they'd actually make more but that would be the lux tax hit)

If we rerouted McDermott into a team's cap space or trade exception though, we can use the full MLE and sign a vet min player while avoiding the tax. That would be my main plan in this scenario, even if it requires attaching a small asset.

[Ernest]

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Great one less landing spot for Rondo!

[MagicBagley18]

Disagree. On/off numbers is negative. Long, but not athletic. Ok shooter, good shot blocker not a great rebounder. Not a great PnR defender.

Too expensive for $18 mil per over next 3 years.


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He’s a great salary filler to have and use in trades moving forward. We only have smart right now in that middle ground area. Turner at 18 is very moveable and can be traded easy. Plus he fills a position of need and regardless of any stat u show me he’s better than theis and a new scenery will bring that out.

Plus it moves theis to the bench and that’s a solid depth move and where he belongs

He is better than Theis. But he isn’t a better rebounder and defender than Theis. Better offensive player for sure.

Theis is more physical and better athlete. Turner is longer and can shoot a bit.

Theis paid $5M. Turner paid $18M.

That to me is why I say no. Give me Warren. I’ll run it back with Theis, Rob and a vet at the 5 over Turner.

Hayward shouldn’t have opted out.


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They aren’t giving us warren tho. Turner also doesn’t pick up 4 fouls in as many minutes

[hugepatsfan]

RE: Hayward - beggars can't be choosers. Right now, Turner ++ is the best that Danny can get for Hayward or he walks.

Honestly that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems like if we don't do the S&T then he will re-sign here. So it's Turner+ or keeping Hayward.

[jfs1000d]

Just re-sign Hayward, and scoop up Ibaka or Baynes with the MLE.

Move should've been made already... We are wasting too much time, there isn't a decent option left in FA.

Just trade for Hill with picks, sign a cheap veteran(FA), MLE signing and keep Hayward.

Exactly. Give Hayward a one year $30M dal with player option in 21. It is 7 months. His fam will survive. He can go to Indy next summer. Or not.


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[TheMartian]

RE: Crowder, I doubt he wants to go back to Boston after all the heat he got from Celtics fans when a) he got traded; and b) when he injured Hayward.

He's a cupcake like Durant.

[snowman]

Much rather have Turner and Dougie than Turner and Dipo cap wise and locker room wise.

Dipo is the same guy heard asking the other team if he could come play for them during the games. Want no part.

[MagicBagley18]

We can’t send out Hayward Romeo and semi and can’t dipo and turner back?

[SuperDeluxe]

Much rather have Turner and Dougie than Turner and Dipo cap wise and locker room wise.

Dipo is the same guy heard asking the other team if he could come play for them during the games. Want no part.

I believe Dipo would have a very short stay here.

[ParticleMan]

can't believe some folks here still want rondo back. i'm done with that skanky ho.

[ConstableGeneva]

I know we haven't signed anyone and the Hayward deal is still in limbo, but what does our cap look like if:

We trade Hayward for Turner and McDermott
sign both Nesmith and Pritchard to their full 120 rookie scale contracts
release Semi and Green.

That would give us a roster of :
Kemba, Smart, Brown, Tatum, Turner
Pritchard, Langford, McDermott, G. Will, Theis
Edwards, Nesmith, Timelord

Are we in lux tax area, or are we below and how much could we spend and stay out of the lux tax ?

That would put us at $128,243,908 for those 13 players. That gives us $4,383,092 of room below the lux tax line. We'd have a couple of options there:

only roll with 14 players and spend that full amount on one player. That gives us slightly less than the room exception
Sign two vet min players for $1,620,564 cap charge each (they'd actually make more but that would be the lux tax hit)

If we rerouted McDermott into a team's cap space or trade exception though, we can use the full MLE and sign a vet min player while avoiding the tax. That would be my main plan in this scenario, even if it requires attaching a small asset.

Read somewhere there's a weird rule this season where a team has to have the full 15-man roster to be able to call up their two-ways during the season. Too lazy to look for the particular rule. Something to do with having insurance if players go down due to COVID.

Anyway, that would be my plan to -- reroute McDermott/whoever into TPE to open up more $$. Having the bulk of the MLE is still better than handing out minimum contracts.

[TheMartian]

RE: Hayward - beggars can't be choosers. Right now, Turner ++ is the best that Danny can get for Hayward or he walks.

Honestly that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems like if we don't do the S&T then he will re-sign here. So it's Turner+ or keeping Hayward.

Dunno about that. There have been several reports that both the Celtics and Hayward have mutually agreed that it's time to move on from each other.