2020 Off-season Discussion

[MasterIchiro]

I'd be kinda sad if Kupchak orchestrated a sign and trade of Hayward for Turner and screwed the Celtics because of Kemba. But it would be hilarious and awesome all the same.

I'm confused. Who goes where in this scenario?

Hayward is a UFA right now, he doesn't have to do anything with the Celtics. We can just sign him and immediately trade him to Indiana for Turner and bypass the Celtics completely. Also, the Pacers can't get him unless the Celtics or some other team with cap space (i.e. us) signs and trades him there.

That's assuming Hayward isn't asking for a $100 million dollar deal. He might be, but I doubt anyone outside of the Knicks will give him that much.

I'm assuming by signing and flipping Hayward to the Pacers "immediately" you mean after the moratorium on trading free agents ends?

Here's how I see it...

The Pacers have no space for Hayward but covet him. Hayward wants to return home to Indiana at 25 M. We can absorb Turner and free up 19 but that falls short of Hayward's demands. The Celtics would need to take back bad money on top of Turner but instead are demanding Warren with Turner to get to Hayward's magic number. I guess we could send Rozier to the Knicks who can absorb Rozier into cap and open up the full 25 M Indiana needs. We would absorb bad contracts with Turner. And maybe the Knicks attach a Mavs first round pick or our 2021 second.

But the Knicks want Hayward, or at least they're posturing like they want Hayward which ups the price on them facilitating Turner to the Hornets, Rozier to the Knicks and Hayward to some other team (Pacers) instead of the Knicks.

[LofJ]

I'm confused. Who goes where in this scenario?

Hayward is a UFA right now, he doesn't have to do anything with the Celtics. We can just sign him and immediately trade him to Indiana for Turner and bypass the Celtics completely. Also, the Pacers can't get him unless the Celtics or some other team with cap space (i.e. us) signs and trades him there.

That's assuming Hayward isn't asking for a $100 million dollar deal. He might be, but I doubt anyone outside of the Knicks will give him that much.

I'm assuming by signing and flipping Hayward to the Pacers "immediately" you mean after the moratorium on trading free agents ends?

Here's how I see it...

The Pacers have no space for Hayward but covet him. Hayward wants to return home to Indiana at 25 M. We can absorb Turner and free up 19 but that falls short of Hayward's demands. The Celtics would need to take back bad money on top of Turner but instead are demanding Warren with Turner to get to Hayward's magic number. I guess we could send Rozier to the Knicks who can absorb Rozier into cap and open up the full 25 M Indiana needs. We would absorb bad contracts with Turner. And maybe the Knicks attach a Mavs first round pick or our 2021 second.

But the Knicks want Hayward, or at least they're posturing like they want Hayward which ups the price on them facilitating Turner to the Hornets, Rozier to the Knicks and Hayward to some other team (Pacers) instead of the Knicks.

If Hayward wants $25 million I don't see how we can make it happen. Even the Knicks wouldn't absord Rozier to help us facilitate a trade (not without us attaching picks).

[James Gatz]

I believe only teams with bird rights can do a S&T so we wouldn't be able to sign Hayward and trade him to Indiana. We could be used as a third team, likely to dump a different contract, but that's the only way we'd get involved. If we signed Hayward the soonest we could trade him is at the deadline midseason.

[dmutombo321]

I prefer we not have any part of Hayward and am also happy we missed out on Harrell. Develop talent, give big minutes to our young guys and win games. As far as lockerroom mentorship is concerned, Zeller and Batum can fill that role just fine.

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[dmutombo321]

*lose

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[amcoolio]

Way things are going we'll have the cleanest cap sheet next offseason

[dmutombo321]

Things could get interesting if Brandon Ingram takes NO's QO and becomes a Ufa next year.

Wonder if he's salty at them for not offering him the Max now

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[James Gatz]

Things could get interesting if Brandon Ingram takes NO's QO and becomes a Ufa next year.

Wonder if he's salty at them for not offering him the Max now

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Are they not? I assumed they asked him to wait a little bit so they would have more cap room available.

[Rich4114]

Word is we are in talks with Cousins

[DY_nasty]

Word is we are in talks with Cousins

im okay with it. hope the deal is good

[Snidely FC]

wtf why? we just drafted 2 centers have zeller and our best player is Pj
are you sure its demarcus cousins and not one of lamelo ball's cousins?

[DY_nasty]

wtf why? we just drafted 2 centers have zeller and our best player is Pj
are you sure its demarcus cousins and not one of lamelo ball's cousins?

because expecting literally anything out of second round picks is not realistic. they might not be playable at all. all of those guys are highly likely to end up in greensboro or nailed to the bench. cousins is low risk, high reward - we just need a cheap short term contract for an established big to keep our core guys and rookies from getting run into the dirt. exhausted young players get hurt or develop bad habits.

so we just add him to the list behind hibbert and kwame.... we're not trying to win, we're trying to give our younger guys a fundamentally functional and complete roster to develop within. and if cousins turns out to be even half of his former self, that's pretty good too and we keep him around once we switch to winning mode.

we've actually had a pretty good history when it comes to guys turning their careers around here or at least being given the opportunity too. if he's cheap, he's a good fit. we're not getting turner or anything and we're legit lucky that trez didn't end up here too.

i'd prefer giles or baynes. maybe even noel if he's done being crazy but boogie? meh. he's aite. always got a bad rap when he's been a good guy.

[JMAC3]

I get not wanting to spend big money or long term money on older free agents as a rebuilding team, but we also need to make sure we are playing NBA talent around our young players.

Lamelo is a guy who will thrive with more talent around him. It doesn’t hurt to sign a Vet and if the the rookies are better or the same then you bench the Vet.

Swear some of you would sign your neighbors and play them 20 mins a game just to make sure we lose every game. You have to balance actually being competitive and getting better with developing players.

[Rich4114]

Really, the question is how good can he be after those injuries. He’s also a very unique personality compared to the guys on this roster. Maybe it’ll be a good thing.

[DY_nasty]

Really, the question is how good can he be after those injuries. He’s also a very unique personality compared to the guys on this roster. Maybe it’ll be a good thing.

he's no worse than terry tbh. probably better...

i think the fact remains though that there is no one on the market thats worse than willie hermangomez. so i'm pretty open in general as long as that person isn't asking for a bazillion dollars

[LofJ]

Cousins has pretty good court vision for a big. That's something we've needed since Borrego got here. I'd much rather sign him than Whiteside who would rather turn it over than give it up. As long as Cousins isn't getting his number called a lot, I think he'll play good basketball for us.

[Lwcasu]

Cousins has pretty good court vision for a big. That's something we've needed since Borrego got here. I'd much rather sign him than Whiteside who would rather turn it over than give it up.

Cousins can also shoot. He’s not going to be as explosive as he used to be, but he’s a big upgrade for us.

[Rich4114]

I’d take Cousins over Whiteside as well. Neither should set us back from a future cap space perspective.

[JMAC3]

Ibaka is my number 1 target now after Hawks stole Kris Dunn for 5 million...

[Liver_Pooty]

Id be ok on a 1 or 2 year deal with Cousins on the cheap