Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[rob4748]

How do any of you defend this?? Time to take off the green tinted glasses.

[Froob]

Can Hornets even get Hayward without a S&T? Who can they dump?

Rozier

Who would want him?

[Ernest]

Anyone ripping on Ainge is a fool. If anything this week he tried everything he could to not let it get to this point.

You don't honestly believe that do you?

I do. You guys realize if GMs were fired for not doing imaginary trades sceemed up on message boards we'd be fireing Ainge every year right? I mean, some of you have literally called for him to be fired every year. "OMG he traded Antoine Walker?!?!?!? I'll drive him to the airport!!!!" It's every single offseason. You'll get that right?

[The Corey's]

Danny gonna do a sign and trade for a worthless TPE

I am now an insider

[Celts17Pride]

Read on Twitter

Damn right

[King Ken]

Can Hornets even get Hayward without a S&T? Who can they dump?

Rozier

Who would want him?

No clue

[SeattleMack]

He wanted to go to Indy. Then got offered crazy money. Then he took the crazy money.

Exactly. I’m more willing to believe the delay over the last 24 hours was Gordon trying to get the Pacers (or even to stay with the Celtics) to increase their offer. Neither bit.

I’m actually more confused why people aren’t seeing this. Gordon isn’t walking away from $20 million. Most players don’t

People aren't seeing it cause emotions are running high. Give it a few days.

I swear I'm not making excuses for Danny. If it comes out that Danny played hardball and Charlotte came out of nowhere at the 11th hour with this huge contract, then I agree it's on Danny for not jumping on Indy deal earlier and preventing that from happening. But if it comes out that Charlotte had this offer out there, and it's not on Danny or Indy or anyone else. It's on Jordan and Hayward.

I would be outraged if Danny matched 4/120 for Gordon Hayward at this point. That would be terrible for us long term.

Can you match UFA deals?

[BigTrade92]

How do any of you defend this?? Time to take off the green tinted glasses.

Sickening. This is indefensible. Especially when he could've dumped him at the deadline.

Ainge looks like a complete chump. Dude needs to go. It’s beyond enough.

[The Corey's]

In case anyone has a bad memory.

We literally saw this movie last summer.

[DarkAzcura]

Are you guys that dumb to think Ainge didn't want the Indy deal? Hayward was just offered 4 yr 120 vs 4 yr 100. Quite a big difference lol.

Completely separate scenarios here. Just like Horford last year, Celtics would be dumbasses to match that offer

The Pacers would also be idiots to match that offer. Hence the trade talks dying.

And how do we know that Ainge not negotiating didn't drag this out long enough for the Hornets to jump in? If we did a deal right away, the offer may not have come in. If those saying that this deal is too big for Hayward to refuse, if it was there at 6pm on the 20th, he would have taken it. Ainge being stubborn could have blown this in two different ways.

We don’t know, but teams usually have their top offers out to players within a minute of FA. I’m willing to bet Gordon had this offer in his hands at 6:01 PM yesterday from the Hornets. Teams don’t wait a full day to finally make their offers, especially with their top targets. Considering the money Gordon got, the Hornets likely had him as a number 1 priority.

[Half-Full]

Gordon Hayward wanted out of Boston. Charlotte really Hayward. He definitely wanted to leave the Celtics. Probably has to do with the players, change of scenery, the media, fans Etc

Gordon wanted to go to the Pacers. When Charlotte turned up with their offer, it proved too good a deal to pass up, trumping returning to Indiana. Simple as that.

[themoneyteam2]

a 4 year deal was a non-starter, especially at $30 million per year.

You're insane if you're mad the Celtics didn't offer him that. This is Horford 2.0 where the board was in shambles after he signed with Philly.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are sooooooooo quiet. Either Ainge is up to something big or his tail is between his legs

[SuperDeluxe]

Lmfao Ainge got too smart for himself. When it works it's great, like trading down #1 for Tatum and extra pick. But goddamit just make the simple deal for once in a while ffs

There was no simple deal to be made. Hayward got an offer of 30 million per year. Clearly neither Pritchard nor Ainge were interested in that kind of money.

[Romeiro Celtic]

The Hornets are so f'ed up with that albatross of a contract they gave it to Hayward.

[Homerclease]

This is the deal I expected the Knicks to be offering, I suspect this deal by Cha was always on the table but Hayward gave Indy and Boston time to work something out. Didn’t happen, all that remains to be seen is what they get from Charlotte coming back

[Patsfan1081]

Are you guys that dumb to think Ainge didn't want the Indy deal? Hayward was just offered 4 yr 120 vs 4 yr 100. Quite a big difference lol.

Completely separate scenarios here. Just like Horford last year, Celtics would be dumbasses to match that offer

The Pacers would also be idiots to match that offer. Hence the trade talks dying.

And how do we know that Ainge not negotiating didn't drag this out long enough for the Hornets to jump in? If we did a deal right away, the offer may not have come in. If those saying that this deal is too big for Hayward to refuse, if it was there at 6pm on the 20th, he would have taken it. Ainge being stubborn could have blown this in two different ways.

Agreed. Ainge/Gordon agreed to extend the deadline. If you want to play that card then Ainge made the mistake there. Either way Danny messed this up.

[BigTrade92]

I will personally drive Ainge to the airport and buy him a one way ticket back to Utah. To bungle things this bad is beyond sickening.

Let Horford walk. Got nothing in return.
Let Irving walk. Got nothing in return.
Let Hayward walk. Got nothing in return.

Ainge has set this franchise back for years no matter how hard anyone tries to say how “well” he set up the future.

They got Kemba for letting Kyrie and Horford walk.

Who has one good knee and three more years on a max deal? I’m not seeing the positives.

[Darth Celtic]

Not buying this angle, as I think hayward and is family would have sacrificed a little cash to be home. This is Ainge or the Pacers screwing Ainge.

4/100 or 4/130 is 30 million dollars not a “little cash”

Lol it's a cesspool here. Just like when Horford walked people couldn't believe Boston didn't want to match that offer lol

Expected from 90% of the people here

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[CavemanDoctor]

Exactly. I’m more willing to believe the delay over the last 24 hours was Gordon trying to get the Pacers (or even to stay with the Celtics) to increase their offer. Neither bit.

I’m actually more confused why people aren’t seeing this. Gordon isn’t walking away from $20 million. Most players don’t

People aren't seeing it cause emotions are running high. Give it a few days.

I swear I'm not making excuses for Danny. If it comes out that Danny played hardball and Charlotte came out of nowhere at the 11th hour with this huge contract, then I agree it's on Danny for not jumping on Indy deal earlier and preventing that from happening. But if it comes out that Charlotte had this offer out there, and it's not on Danny or Indy or anyone else. It's on Jordan and Hayward.

I would be outraged if Danny matched 4/120 for Gordon Hayward at this point. That would be terrible for us long term.

Can you match UFA deals?

You can't. I didn't mean "match" technically. I meant neither Boston nor Indy were ever going to pony up that much money for him and that was made clear to him, I'm sure.