2020 Off-season Discussion

316Hornets · Post #401 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:19 pm

You guys think Lamelo going to give Garrett Temple the time of day. WHO? LMAO

Soul Rebel · Post #402 » by **Soul Rebel** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:22 pm

Two questions on this:

1. - Do we have to S&T with Boston or can we just trade a player like Rozier or Zeller elsewhere to get under the cap?
2. - Is stretching Batum a good or bad thing? I ask this bc I hate "dead money" and would hate to have that lingering for 3 more years, but do see how it lessens the hit.

James Gatz · Post #403 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:22 pm

JMAC3 wrote:One thing that you have to remember is that we got lucky to be picking top 3 last year. We did not lose anybody of importance really and we added a top 3 talent to a team with three other guys who were all lottery talents (including Graham).

Chances of out-tanking Detroit, OKC and even Pelicans potentially were low. I would love a top 5 pick, but we need to see this thing fully play out before freaking out.

We're probably better than DET, WAS, and maybe even CHI now. That hurt us.

James Gatz · Post #404 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:24 pm

James Gatz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:One thing that you have to remember is that we got lucky to be picking top 3 last year. We did not lose anybody of importance really and we added a top 3 talent to a team with three other guys who were all lottery talents (including Graham).

Chances of out-tanking Detroit, OKC and even Pelicans potentially were low. I would love a top 5 pick, but we need to see this thing fully play out before freaking out.

We're probably better than DET, WAS, and maybe even CHI now. That hurt us.

We go from 40% chance at a top pick if we 5th worse to 26% chance of a top 5 pick if we're 8th worse.

That matters.

DY_nasty · Post #405 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:25 pm

316Hornets wrote:You guys think Lamelo going to give Garrett Temple the time of day. WHO? LMAO

im sure one time all-star gordon hayward can teach him how to play point lol

you don't even make sense...

316Hornets · Post #406 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:26 pm

James Gatz wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:One thing that you have to remember is that we got lucky to be picking top 3 last year. We did not lose anybody of importance really and we added a top 3 talent to a team with three other guys who were all lottery talents (including Graham).

Chances of out-tanking Detroit, OKC and even Pelicans potentially were low. I would love a top 5 pick, but we need to see this thing fully play out before freaking out.

We're probably better than DET, WAS, and maybe even CHI now. That hurt us.

We go from 40% chance at a top pick if we 5th worse to 26% chance of a top 5 pick if we're 8th worse.

That matters.

Why are you so sure the players want to play on a crap team? Weren't we talking about how much progress the team had made and should have been invited to the bubble? Now, we are acting like they are the Knicks??

NCHeels2008 · Post #407 » by **NCHeels2008** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:29 pm

James Gatz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:One thing that you have to remember is that we got lucky to be picking top 3 last year. We did not lose anybody of importance really and we added a top 3 talent to a team with three other guys who were all lottery talents (including Graham).

Chances of out-tanking Detroit, OKC and even Pelicans potentially were low. I would love a top 5 pick, but we need to see this thing fully play out before freaking out.

We're probably better than DET, WAS, and maybe even CHI now. That hurt us.

We were last year and we added Ball already and another year of our guys developing. More likely we moved from 8 range to 12 range.

James Gatz · Post #408 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:29 pm

316Hornets wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
We're probably better than DET, WAS, and maybe even CHI now. That hurt us.

We go from 40% chance at a top pick if we 5th worse to 26% chance of a top 5 pick if we're 8th worse.

That matters.

Why are you so sure the players want to play on a crap team? Weren't we talking about how much progress the team had made and should have been invited to the bubble? Now, we are acting like they are the Knicks??

Dude, this is the most Knicks move imaginable. Overpay for an aging one time all-star when we should be tanking an additional year.

I also personally never said this team has made a bunch of progress. We were statically the luckiest team in the league last year and still had 8th worst record.

316Hornets · Post #409 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:29 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
316Hornets wrote:You guys think Lamelo going to give Garrett Temple the time of day. WHO? LMAO

im sure one time all-star gordon hayward can teach him how to play point lol

you don't even make sense...

Hayward averaged ~4.5 assists per 36 last 2 seasons. You don't mentor a guy from the bench, you mentor him from the court. We can't just draft high lotto and expect them to develop. There's only 1 Lebron every 20 years.

NCHeels2008 · Post #410 » by **NCHeels2008** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:30 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
316Hornets wrote:You guys think Lamelo going to give Garrett Temple the time of day. WHO? LMAO

im sure one time all-star gordon hayward can teach him how to play point lol

you don't even make sense...

He's had 3 seasons of 4+APG, he is a playmaker

James Gatz · Post #411 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:30 pm

Read on Twitter

DY_nasty · Post #412 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:33 pm

NCHeels2008 wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:
316Hornets wrote:You guys think Lamelo going to give Garrett Temple the time of day. WHO? LMAO

im sure one time all-star gordon hayward can teach him how to play point lol

you don't even make sense...

He's had 3 seasons of 4+APG, he is a playmaker

4 assists a game is playmaker territory now? god.......... yal kill me with this man

316Hornets · Post #413 » by **316Hornets** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:36 pm

Kemba is more damaged goods than Hayward. What's the big deal? I don't want an undersized PG over 30 with high mileage signed to a max.

amcoolio · Post #414 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:36 pm

Roizer and Zeller for Westbrook now? Guess nobody wanted Batum

If we are paying Hayward all that money might as well pay Russ as well and try to get from 8th to 5th in the East or something

DY_nasty · Post #415 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:39 pm

316Hornets wrote:Kemba is more damaged goods than Hayward. What's the big deal? I don't want an undersized PG over 30 with high mileage signed to a max.

when did kemba's leg snap in half? you just rambling now lol

vtime · Post #416 » by **vtime** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:39 pm

Small markets have to overpay for free agents, that’s common knowledge. This precious cap space you guys want to save, who is it for? Move Zeller or Rozier to get under the cap, let Batum expire next summer and you will have cap room to sign a good player, but there wasn’t some Mac guy walking through the door next summer. You guys do badly want to tank fir a high pick that may not not pan out and if he does, that’s probably 3-4 years down the line. My goodness. Give Melo some weapons now and let’s roll!

amcoolio · Post #417 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:40 pm

Westbrook, Graham, Hayward, Miles, PJ
Ball, Monk, Martin, Martin, Carey

Looks good to me, why not.

James Gatz · Post #418 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:41 pm

**** Michael Jordan

vtime · Post #419 » by **vtime** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:42 pm

amcoolio wrote:Roizer and Zeller for Westbrook now? Guess nobody wanted Batum

If we are paying Hayward all that money might as well pay Russ as well and try to get from 8th to 5th in the East or something

I like it. Rozier, Zeller, Batum and Monk for Westbrook.

Melo
Russ
Hayward
PJ
I like it better than what got the Pacers to a 4 seed this past season.

DY_nasty · Post #420 » by **DY_nasty** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:42 pm

vtime wrote:Small markets have to overpay for free agents, that’s common knowledge. This precious cap space you guys want to save, who is it for? Move Zeller or Rozier to get under the cap, let Batum expire next summer and you will have cap room to sign a good player, but there wasn’t some Mac guy walking through the door next summer. You guys do badly want to tank fir a high pick that may not not pan out and if he does, that’s probably 3-4 years down the line. My goodness. Give Melo some weapons now and let’s roll!

you know how we could've overpaid better? next year where we could've potentially had space for two max contracts in a much better free agency pool along with the rookies and a high draft pick.

what just happened is inexcusably dumb and derailed any chance of a quality rebuild.

mitch blew it. unless one of these rookies turns into a top 10 player in the league, we're done