Horford to OKC For Green

ckchen · Post #181 » by **ckchen** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:20 am

dice wrote:
Skates wrote:1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026, becomes two second rounders if not used by 2026.

that's not exactly "lightly protected." much of the value in the draft tends to come in those top few picks. should make sixers fans feel better

Anything less than lottery protected is lightly protected. If you have to be one of the 4-6 worst teams in the league to hold onto the pick, that's almost the definition of pretty light protection.

76ciology · Post #182 » by **76ciology** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:58 am

Its protection is basically very light and just prevents you from getting into that situation Grizz got where they have to give up the 2nd overall pick to the Pistons back in 2003.

76ciology · Post #183 » by **76ciology** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:03 am

I’d say we win this deal until 2025. And in 2025, the only way we can’t win this deal is if we’re not a top 10 team by 2025.

76ciology · Post #184 » by **76ciology** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:38 am

Furguson can play defense and shoot too. I think his shooting can return next season.

kriss73 · Post #185 » by **kriss73** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:26 am

I read this trade can't be finalized as structured until 12/8 because Green salary can't be aggregated.
Bui if OKC bring Horford salary into its cap space, can't they split the deal into 2 separated trades?

Let's say: Horford for Green +1st+ Micic and
Ferguson for 2nd.

I know they still working in the final shape of the whole deal

freshie2 · Post #186 » by **freshie2** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:17 pm

It would be odd to leave this hanging until December 8th. Can't imagine Morey would have this big a caveat to the off season out there with the potential to impact other moves.

the_process · Post #187 » by **the_process** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:32 pm

freshie2 wrote:It would be odd to leave this hanging until December 8th. Can't imagine Morey would have this big a caveat to the off season out there with the potential to impact other moves.

There’s no choice once OKC decided to be an over the cap team. Green (and Hill hopefully) cannot be sent out as part of a package (aggregated) until December 8th. They’ll still be in training camp, so it’s not the end of the world.

76ciology · Post #188 » by **76ciology** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:00 pm

Doesnt this hold up beneficial? This means we can trade Danny Green and the trade exemption. Not saying, we have to. But you know.. “optionality”

Kobblehead · Post #189 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:42 pm

76ciology wrote:Furguson can play defense and shoot too. I think his shooting can return next season.

I disagree. I think Ferguson is an actively horrible defender.

Post #190 » by **sixers hoops** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:33 pm

ckchen wrote:
dice wrote:
Skates wrote:1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026, becomes two second rounders if not used by 2026.

that's not exactly "lightly protected." much of the value in the draft tends to come in those top few picks. should make sixers fans feel better

Anything less than lottery protected is lightly protected. If you have to be one of the 4-6 worst teams in the league to hold onto the pick, that's almost the definition of pretty light protection.

Yeah, frankly, if OKC gets a pick 7-12 or so (really depends on the strength of the draft), this could be a steal for them. Presti knows how to draft, and you can get a Giannis, Kawhi, Klay, etc in that range if you’re lucky. Basically just for taking on a bad deal. However, I think with a good GM like Morey, we are betting on five years of playoffs, and this will be in the second half of the first round.

Considering we got a nice fit in Danny Green, and dumped Horford, you had to make the deal.

76ciology · Post #191 » by **76ciology** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:56 am

Danny Green has the second highest on vs off NetRtg for the lakers during the play-offs, despite having a shooting slump.

Bad news? He has been having a shooting slump in the playoffs since after the 2016 play-offs.

Dontmakeme · Post #192 » by **Dontmakeme** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:12 am

That wasn't my post it was dontmakeme's. It was meant to poke fun at his post to which he didn't know how to quote a response.[/quote]
I got it now lol

Dontmakeme · Post #193 » by **Dontmakeme** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:20 am

kio80 wrote:I really hope Brand feels so ashamed that he resigns from bring the Sixers GM and get the **** out of the NBA.
Anyone else find his face extremely punchable?

If you look at it Brett set us back big time by drafting Zhaire he passed on Shai, Porter, Walker, Simons not to mention Bridges you draft Porter you wait on him you don't trade for Tobias

Post #194 » by **BullyKing** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:15 pm

Read on Twitter

Seems pretty simple. Send us Hill, keep Ferguson, enjoy your giant TPE.

youngcrev · Post #195 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:22 pm

BullyKing wrote:

Read on Twitter

Seems pretty simple. Send us Hill, keep Ferguson, enjoy your giant TPE.

That would be nice. And being that makes things more advantageous for them, we shouldn't need to add anything to it.

kriss73 · Post #196 » by **kriss73** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:29 pm

Assuming the ownership put a limit to the cash spending (very likely, we're well above the tax line), I suppose it would be Hill (9.6M) or Ferguson (5) +MLE (4.7)

Not sure which is the best option.

Maybe Hill and re-sign RGIII to a vet min (if possibile), I suppose.

youngcrev · Post #197 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:36 pm

kriss73 wrote:Assuming the ownership put a limit to the cash spending (very likely, we're well above the tax line), I suppose it would be Hill (9.6M) or Ferguson (5) +MLE (4.7)

Not sure which is the best option.

Maybe Hill and re-sign RGIII to a vet min (if possibile), I suppose.

Well, considering Ferguson isn't likely to be much of a contributor, and Hill is far better than anyone they'd get at this stage for the MLE, I'd think that's a pretty easy choice.

Kobblehead · Post #198 » by **Kobblehead** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:38 pm

Can they just add Ty Jerome to the deal?

He's a big guard that can defend, pass and shoot. He has a nice skillset.

kriss73 · Post #199 » by **kriss73** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:43 pm

youngcrev wrote:
kriss73 wrote:Assuming the ownership put a limit to the cash spending (very likely, we're well above the tax line), I suppose it would be Hill (9.6M) or Ferguson (5) +MLE (4.7)

Not sure which is the best option.

Maybe Hill and re-sign RGIII to a vet min (if possibile), I suppose.

Well, considering Ferguson isn't likely to be much of a contributor, and Hill is far better than anyone they'd get at this stage for the MLE, I'd think that's a pretty easy choice.

I agree.
On the other side if OKC thinks to regain some value from Hill even at the trade deadline, getting Hill in the Harford deal is unlikley.

youngcrev · Post #200 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:00 pm

kriss73 wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
kriss73 wrote:Assuming the ownership put a limit to the cash spending (very likely, we're well above the tax line), I suppose it would be Hill (9.6M) or Ferguson (5) +MLE (4.7)

Not sure which is the best option.

Maybe Hill and re-sign RGIII to a vet min (if possibile), I suppose.

Well, considering Ferguson isn't likely to be much of a contributor, and Hill is far better than anyone they'd get at this stage for the MLE, I'd think that's a pretty easy choice.

I agree.
On the other side if OKC thinks to regain some value from Hill even at the trade deadline, getting Hill in the Harford deal is unlikley.

Yeah. It's just a matter of what they find more valuable - possible returns on Hill vs gigantic T.E.