The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

Post #1261 » by **HomoSapien** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:35 am

The Spurs wanting him has to make everyone feel a little more optimistic about this. If you believe that Williams is the guy (and as Dinwiddie said, has no ceiling) then you're better off just taking him and not risking losing him by trading down. In my mind, you couldn't really have gone wrong with Deni, Halliburton, or him but obviously, AK and his scouts have a better grasp on this stuff than any of us could.

Bankshot · Post #1262 » by **Bankshot** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:50 am

fleet wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:
I suspect no matter which player was selected at 4, "most people" would have preferred to trade down and "most people" would have preferred they take someone else.

Of course, that doesn't make the answers right or wrong, just something that I think is interesting to consider.

I was #1 in the trade down camp! I'm just saying there is no guarantees there WAS any good trade down options. Obviously AK didn't think so. The detroit trade down WASN'T an option for us.

The great thing about Detroit trading up to 3 or 4, is that after they trade up, they would then have to trade down. Because you’re supposed to trade down.

This should be the post to end all post regarding this subject... wouldn't Detroit be doing the exact same thing you're accusing the Bulls getting wrong :banghead:

BullsFTW · Post #1263 » by **BullsFTW** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:04 am

HomoSapien wrote:The Spurs wanting him has to make everyone feel a little more optimistic about this. If you believe that Williams is the guy (and as Dinwiddie said, has no ceiling) then you're better off just taking him and not risking losing him by trading down. In my mind, you couldn't really have gone wrong with Deni, Halliburton, or him but obviously, AK and his scouts have a better grasp on this stuff than any of us could.

That’s the way I feel as well. The Spurs wanting Pat Will makes me think if they see a “Kawhi-type” player in him. A player who’s a humble hard-worker with elite athleticism and many physical tools & skills, but raw.

I have faith with the new staff, otherwise if it was the old regime, I wouldn’t be that much confident in player development.

dc · Post #1264 » by dc » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:05 am

fleet wrote:lol, word gets out. The Spurs were sitting on this guy for months hoping nobody noticed him.

This guy wasn't an unknown. He was a fairly high profile recruit and had a better freshman season than his lottery drafted teammate (Vassell). The Warriors front office (I'm a GS fan) had him as a trade down target months before the draft.

Vassell was seen as the more polished, ready made player because he was a year older. Williams was seen as a bigger, stronger Vassell with more upside. He was just "greener" than Vassell by 1 year. In a relatively weak draft with lots of questions marks about even the highest rated prospects, he was boosted by his upside.

No doubt a lot of front offices figured that he's basically a higher upside version of Vassell minus a year of development in college.

BullsFTW · Post #1265 » by **BullsFTW** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:10 am

fleet wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
Evil_Headband wrote:
I suspect no matter which player was selected at 4, "most people" would have preferred to trade down and "most people" would have preferred they take someone else.

Of course, that doesn't make the answers right or wrong, just something that I think is interesting to consider.

I was #1 in the trade down camp! I'm just saying there is no guarantees there WAS any good trade down options. Obviously AK didn't think so. The detroit trade down WASN'T an option for us.

The great thing about Detroit trading up to 3 or 4, is that after they trade up, they would then have to trade down. Because you’re supposed to trade down.

I was skeptical with the pick at first because I didn’t know much about Pat Will. But if he is in fact AKME Top 3 or even #1 ranked prospect you don’t risk trading down just to get an extra pick, especially when you know teams are after Pat Will. Regardless if mock drafts have him ranked lower than the 4th pick, as long as you know you did your homework, trust your gut.

Post #1266 » by **fleet** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:21 am

JimmyButler21 wrote:

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On number 9, gotta say, too soon. And Lu is another guy that should be in the organization.

Post #1267 » by **fleet** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:26 am

Read on Twitter

D_GoLow · Post #1268 » by **D_GoLow** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:44 am

fleet wrote:
JimmyButler21 wrote:

Read on Twitter

On number 9, gotta say, too soon. And Lu is another guy that should be in the organization.

Blakeney wore 9 if that matters...

Post #1269 » by **HomoSapien** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:13 am

D_GoLow wrote:
fleet wrote:
JimmyButler21 wrote:

Read on Twitter

On number 9, gotta say, too soon. And Lu is another guy that should be in the organization.

Blakeney wore 9 if that matters...

#9 will alway be Ron Harper's number to me.

Post #1270 » by **fleet** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:19 am

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thedarkstark · Post #1271 » by **thedarkstark** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:37 am

HomoSapien wrote:
#9 will alway be Ron Harper's number to me.

This, I didn't even remember Lu wearing it until people here pointed it out, it's always been Ron.

Butler4thewin · Post #1272 » by **Butler4thewin** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:46 am

The Force. wrote:
Butler4thewin wrote:p will has me excited i cant shake the feeling the kid is going to be a atar
I get being excited but I would lower my expectations significantly if I were you. The most likely outcome is that he becomes a solid 3D role player with good rim protection. That's nothing to sneeze at but obviously not a star.

Better to set expectations low and be pleasantly surprised.

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no man this kid gives the feeling of a superstar type player to me i think we make the playoffs this year with this staff and coach this team is loaded with some significant talent and williams will make the pistons fan cry like when we missed out on wade by one pick

Indomitable · Post #1273 » by **Indomitable** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:46 am

fleet wrote:

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Harper 3 rings

Chi town · Post #1274 » by **Chi town** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:48 am

Butler4thewin wrote:
The Force. wrote:
Butler4thewin wrote:p will has me excited i cant shake the feeling the kid is going to be a atar
I get being excited but I would lower my expectations significantly if I were you. The most likely outcome is that he becomes a solid 3D role player with good rim protection. That's nothing to sneeze at but obviously not a star.

Better to set expectations low and be pleasantly surprised.

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app

no man this kid gives the feeling of a superstar type player to me i think we make the playoffs this year with this staff and coach this team is loaded with some significant talent and williams will make the pistons fan cry like when we missed out on wade by one pick

Get it bro! We haven’t had anything to be excited about in years.

D_GoLow · Post #1275 » by **D_GoLow** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:34 am

Indomitable wrote:
fleet wrote:

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Harper 3 rings

1. Playoff Rondo
2. Deng
3. Harp

Indomitable · Post #1276 » by **Indomitable** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:40 am

D_GoLow wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
fleet wrote:

Read on Twitter

Harper 3 rings

1. Playoff Rondo
2. Deng
3. Harp

Rondo is not even in the discussion. It was a cup of coffee.

JohnnyTapwater · Post #1277 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:57 am

I want Pat to go with the full beard for that Coby White synergy.

Post #1278 » by **dougthonus** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:49 pm

Bankshot wrote:This should be the post to end all post regarding this subject... wouldn't Detroit be doing the exact same thing you're accusing the Bulls getting wrong

Yes, but Detroit may have been willing to do it and we weren't and my preference would be to let Detroit do the thing I didn't want rather than the Bulls.

Benedict Miller · Post #1279 » by **Benedict Miller** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:10 pm

Patrick needs to assert himself much better and become more aggressive in real games. Seems to settle rather than take advantage of situations.

Onibuh · Post #1280 » by **Onibuh** » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:23 pm

About all the Trade down talk.

If your Player is available at your spot you go and take him. You trade down if
- you like 4 Players and can be sure to get 1 of them
- the returned value is 100% better than the value you give up
- there is no Player available at your spot you like

You don't Risk losing your guy for being greedy, you take him and call it a day.