Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[TroyD92]

new to you maybe
I always thought if I'm gonna have entitled expectations from someone he has to at least agree, otherwise he has every right to tell me to roll up my expectations and shove them

Giannis accepted those expectations when he signed his contract. What a weird argument to make. Entitled in what way? The guy who's paid like the best player in the world shouldn't be expected to be the best player in the world?

Giannis is currently on a 4/100 contract. He has not signed the super max. Giannis is completely eclipsing anyone making the money he's making.

Giannis has accepted the role of superstar and needs to improve. But this idea that our playoff failures begin and end with him is just not the case. I'm willing to compare Giannis's rosters with that of any other superstar recently who's made the finals and I bet we'll conclude that their team's were better. Save for LeBron and well he's LeBron James.

He also has a giant contract with Nike, but you are right its not all on him. However there are plenty of posters who seem to think its completely on his supporting cast and that is also not true.

[Sigra]

Giannis is big part of our playoff failures. He needs to improve in so many things and FT and jumpshots are not even at the top of list. FIrst of all he needs to learn how to slow down when he goes too fast which will help him avoid so many off fouls, he needs to learn how to use angles and how to use legs better etc. He needs to learn how to set screen, how to play without ball etc etc.

He is young and I am sure he will learn a lot in future. But as a best player and regular season MVP he does perform much worse in playoffs and that is big part of our playoffs failures.

[TroyD92]

his jumpshot is honestly the thing I wish he prioritized the least.

[Pachinko_]

Certainly a new defence of Giannis' failures...

new to you maybe
I always thought if I'm gonna have entitled expectations from someone he has to at least agree, otherwise he has every right to tell me to roll up my expectations and shove them

Giannis accepted those expectations when he signed his contract. What a weird argument to make. Entitled in what way? The guy who's paid like the best player in the world shouldn't be expected to be the best player in the world?

Nope, Giannis signed a contract to play for the Bucks, that's all there is on that contract. Doesnt say anything about best player and I can guarantee you he will get paid the full amount even if he plays like the worst player in the League.

Therefore no, he shouldn't be expected. He should be expected to try his best, that's all he can do anyway.

[TroyD92]

new to you maybe
I always thought if I'm gonna have entitled expectations from someone he has to at least agree, otherwise he has every right to tell me to roll up my expectations and shove them

Giannis accepted those expectations when he signed his contract. What a weird argument to make. Entitled in what way? The guy who's paid like the best player in the world shouldn't be expected to be the best player in the world?

Nope, Giannis signed a contract to play for the Bucks, that's all there is on that contract. Doesnt say anything about best player and I can guarantee you he will get paid the full amount even if he plays like the worst player in the League.

Therefore no, he shouldn't be expected. He should be expected to try his best, that's all he can do anyway.

Talk about a disconnect from reality. When a team is going to commit 1/3 of their cap space towards one player I dont think they expect him to just try his best, but whatever.

[midranger]

The contract comes with an expectation that Giannis gets bit by a radioactive spider, imo.

[midranger]

Seriously though, what more can he do than try his best to improve and try his best each play on the court? If he could snap his fingers and add a 75% 3 point shot, I’m sure he would. That’s disconnected from reality.

The team knows what he can do and what he can’t. They may project some improvement. If they still want to offer him the deal and he accepts, he holds up his end just by working hard.

[theFireBlanket]

his jumpshot is honestly thing I wish he prioritized the least.

Well, he's not working out with papaslouskas to better his jump shot.

[CharityStripe34]

That short post fadeaway was looking so good before the shutdown. Never reappeared in the bubble. Thought that was the secret weapon. Guess it's still a secret, and maybe not a weapon. But it's something I'll be watching for.

Same here. He was using his little 12-15 foot fade quite a bit as well as his baby turnaround jump hook. I noticed a conscious effort by him to play more in the midrange and then it all vanished in the bubble for the same old five-out nonsense.

The two most important evolutions on this team have to be with Gianni and Bud. Getting Jrue and some good role players certainly helps, but its up to those two to show evolution. Or else it’s more running into brick walls and praying role players get hot from three.

[Pachinko_]

Giannis accepted those expectations when he signed his contract. What a weird argument to make. Entitled in what way? The guy who's paid like the best player in the world shouldn't be expected to be the best player in the world?

Nope, Giannis signed a contract to play for the Bucks, that's all there is on that contract. Doesnt say anything about best player and I can guarantee you he will get paid the full amount even if he plays like the worst player in the League.

Therefore no, he shouldn't be expected. He should be expected to try his best, that's all he can do anyway.

Talk about a disconnect from reality. When a team is going to commit 1/3 of their cap space towards one player I dont think they expect him to just try his best, but whatever.

They can expect whatever they want, but you can't hold anyone accountable for promises they never made.

[greekbuck34]

Whoever said they are other superstars(true) that could bring us the chip two seasons ago he has to admit there are many other franchises that could have won a title or two with Giannis in the last 3 seasons either because of far better front office and winning culture or simply because of the way more attractive destination for FAs.

Giannis had to overcome at age 24-25 teams with FAR better shooting, better defense, FAR more experience and FAR better coach and failed. Getting beaten by the Raptors is not big deal because we didn't experienced the wall defense before. Getting beaten by the Heat is mostly a fault of the FO and Bud's who thought doing almost nothing to help Giannis will solve our problem.

We have him for 7 seasons and we knew from the get go that the best possible lineup for him is Giannis and 4 starters who can shoot and we still didn't witness that to this day. Let's see this year.

[midranger]

Giannis has obvious limitations as a “closer” guy.

1. He is a poor FT shooter. This is a huge problem.
2. He’s not a three level scorer, he’s a one level scorer. Less of a problem if not for #1, but still a big issue. He’s just not a real threat to can jumper after jumper.
3. He’s not a quick/good decision maker with the ball, nor does he make accurate passes.

These limitations have killed us in elimination series the past two year, alas he just tries to force action he doesn’t have the ability to make. Part of that is him having to get better (especially #1), but most of that’s on coaching. This is where Bogdan would have bred so great. He has that stuff in spades, plus the clutch gene with legit game winner propers. As is, it’ll now probably be Jrue. Middleton, for all his talents, doesn’t seem to have the mindset for it.

[fansinceforever]

The Bucks don't have better secondary players than any other team that's serious about contending. If they did, we wouldn't need to dissect every aspect of Giannis's game while he's being double and tripple teamed bc other teams just plain don't respect our other players. And why should they?

Yes free throws are a problem. Yes, he needs to play more under control. Totally secondary to the fact that the Bucks do not have good enough talent to in a championship.

We all hope this has changed but I suspect it hasn't.

[buckboy]

And that’s why Jordan is the GOAT, brought 6 ships to a dumpster team that drafted him... hear that Lebrun, you tainted anything you accomplish by tampering and playing GM...

Truly inspired by Jordan’s willingness to stay and win with a top 50 player all time and arguably the GOAT coach.

You mean the hippie coach of the Albany Patroons and the mentally weak country boy from Central Arkansas?

That's who they were before Mike. We can only hope Giannis stays as loyal as Jordan was

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The funny thing is that there's people that believe this nonsense.

[midranger]

The Bucks don't have better secondary players than any other team that's serious about contending. If they did, we wouldn't need to dissect every aspect of Giannis's game while he's being double and tripple teamed bc other teams just plain don't respect our other players. And why should they?

Yes free throws are a problem. Yes, he needs to play more under control. Totally secondary to the fact that the Bucks do not have good enough talent to in a championship.

We all hope this has changed but I suspect it hasn't.

Agreed, though I think if Giannis REALLY wants to win a championship, he also has to accept the face that he’s the off ball finisher guy, not the trigger guy on the playoffs. Tough pill to swallow, but he needs to do it.

[greekbuck34]

The Bucks don't have better secondary players than any other team that's serious about contending. If they did, we wouldn't need to dissect every aspect of Giannis's game while he's being double and tripple teamed bc other teams just plain don't respect our other players. And why should they?

Yes free throws are a problem. Yes, he needs to play more under control. Totally secondary to the fact that the Bucks do not have good enough talent to in a championship.

We all hope this has changed but I suspect it hasn't.

Agreed, though I think if Giannis REALLY wants to win a championship, he also has to accept the face that he’s the off ball finisher guy, not the trigger guy on the playoffs. Tough pill to swallow, but he needs to do it.

If he could drive he can be the finisher all night. He is unstoppable. He can beat any guy 1v1 and can murder any rim protector even Gobert. Against both Miami and Toronto he just couldn't drive either left or right because he had 2 extra defenders who didn't respect the bucks shooting ability.

When Dragic is coming out and straight out say that we can just put our entire defense on Giannis because the other ones do not matter then it's clearly the front office's fault.

[HKPackFan]

Giannis is on IG live at the moment, doing some kind of photoshoot, so he's definitely not on a plane to Milwaukee as someone mentioned a couple days ago.



Can't understand much what everybody in the room is saying, especially all the camera crew people, sounds Greek to me.

[Ron Swanson]

Superstars are matchup proof. Which is why blaming his struggles on anybody but himself seems like a massive cop-out. I'm not gonna give him the "first stint in Cleveland Lebron" excuse until they lose a playoff series with Giannis actually playing well. Simple as that really.

[fansinceforever]

The Bucks don't have better secondary players than any other team that's serious about contending. If they did, we wouldn't need to dissect every aspect of Giannis's game while he's being double and tripple teamed bc other teams just plain don't respect our other players. And why should they?

Yes free throws are a problem. Yes, he needs to play more under control. Totally secondary to the fact that the Bucks do not have good enough talent to in a championship.

We all hope this has changed but I suspect it hasn't.

Agreed, though I think if Giannis REALLY wants to win a championship, he also has to accept the face that he’s the off ball finisher guy, not the trigger guy on the playoffs. Tough pill to swallow, but he needs to do it.

Absolutely. And we need another guy that's worthy of taking the ball out of his hands.

[0BobLobLaw0]

Bucks twitter shows that the city edition jerseys will be unveiled at 7pm 11/27.

Well see if GA is back then for a signing/ uniform reveal.