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Re: Welcome Tyrese Maxey! 

Post#141 » by Black Mage » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:30 am

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Let's not have crazy expectations for the kid.

A better shooting Donovan Mitchell is fine with me!

I don't see the Donovan Mitchell comps at all. He's not that kind of athlete.


He reminds me a bit of Deron Williams (before he fell apart).
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Post#142 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:19 am

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LloydFree wrote:
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Let's not have crazy expectations for the kid.

A better shooting Donovan Mitchell is fine with me!

I don't see the Donovan Mitchell comps at all. He's not that kind of athlete.


He reminds me a bit of Deron Williams (before he fell apart).


Deron was more skilled. Waay more skilled. The comparison with Deron maybe is with length and athleticism.
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Re: Welcome Tyrese Maxey! 

Post#143 » by stormi » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:02 am

I liken Maxey to Dragic, someone that's above average at most things and won't hurt you defensively. Crafty guards that love to utilize floaters and have an arsenal of moves and finishes around the rim.

Excited to see him play, I think he has more to his game than he showed at Kentucky, where he and IQ were flying around the court on offball screens to get open looks from Hagans
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Post#144 » by HotelVitale » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:21 am

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LloydFree wrote: I don't see the Donovan Mitchell comps at all. He's not that kind of athlete.
He reminds me a bit of Deron Williams (before he fell apart).
Deron was more skilled. Waay more skilled. The comparison with Deron maybe is with length and athleticism.

Deron Williams had a great handle and pn'r game, and he turned into a pretty sick NCAA shooter. Maxey might possibly get there but Deron had developed a much more reliable all-around game by the time he was in the draft.

Maxey does have some potential as a pn'r scorer, though, could do some Donovan Mitchell-y things, though without the high volume driving all the way to the rim game.
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Post#145 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:26 am

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Black Mage wrote: He reminds me a bit of Deron Williams (before he fell apart).
Deron was more skilled. Waay more skilled. The comparison with Deron maybe is with length and athleticism.

Deron Williams had a great handle and pn'r game, and he turned into a pretty sick NCAA shooter. Maxey might possibly get there but Deron had developed a much more reliable all-around game by the time he was in the draft.


Fwiw, I project Maxey to be a good PnR player. A very good floater game is the key IMO.

Im also high on Maxey Btw. If you look at it, he’s just a really good jumper away from being a really good player in the league. And it’s likely that he can develop his shooting given his foundation (mechanics and ft%)
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Re: Welcome Tyrese Maxey! 

Post#146 » by LloydFree » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:46 pm

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Let's not have crazy expectations for the kid.

A better shooting Donovan Mitchell is fine with me!

I don't see the Donovan Mitchell comps at all. He's not that kind of athlete.


He reminds me a bit of Deron Williams (before he fell apart).

I don't see Deron either. Deron wasn't a crafty scoring guard. He was a pure, up tempo, PG. He also could shoot. Maxey isn't a pure PG. He's a scoring guard who can dish, when he gets cut off. I think Kobble's Coby White and Brandon Knight comps are the best I've seen, based on what he's shown so far.
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Post#147 » by phillynative » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:24 pm

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LloydFree wrote:I don't see the Donovan Mitchell comps at all. He's not that kind of athlete.


He reminds me a bit of Deron Williams (before he fell apart).

I don't see Deron either. Deron wasn't a crafty scoring guard. He was a pure, up tempo, PG. He also could shoot. Maxey isn't a pure PG. He's a scoring guard who can dish, when he gets cut off. I think Kobble's Coby White and Brandon Knight compaare the best I've seen, based on what he's shown so far.


Wow Brandon Knight . That's good one and that's scary
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Post#148 » by Sixerscan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:31 pm

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He reminds me a bit of Deron Williams (before he fell apart).

I don't see Deron either. Deron wasn't a crafty scoring guard. He was a pure, up tempo, PG. He also could shoot. Maxey isn't a pure PG. He's a scoring guard who can dish, when he gets cut off. I think Kobble's Coby White and Brandon Knight compaare the best I've seen, based on what he's shown so far.


Wow Brandon Knight . That's good one and that's scary

Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG...

I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.
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Post#149 » by 76ciology » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:46 pm

Im not a psychic but when you say Brandon Knight, I can see you remembering that missed supposed to be a game winning wide open lay-up to win the game
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Post#150 » by Mik317 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:47 pm

Brandon Knight was pretty good but then he got sonned by Kyrie and then murdered by DJ.

never was the same

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Post#151 » by kriss73 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:02 pm

FWIW I took a look to the Arkansas-Kentucky game , aired on 1/18/2020.
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It's a must-see game for sixers' fan because it gives us a chance to see Maxey and Joe on the floor at the same time.
They guarded each other for small chunks of the game.

Well, Maxey was timid for most of the game, coach Cal benched him 2 times after two freshman errors.
He isn't a natural shooter: it will take a lot of patience and work to became only an average shooter imho.
On the other side he is a very dynamic player, nice transition player, and he is clutch. He took the game after coach Cal was ejected.
I suspect his BB IQ would be an important trait of his nba career.
He is not playable with Simmons at this stage, imho, and his defense is really raw.

Joe has a nice stroke of course, but he needs a lot of reps to become a Shamet-like shooter. He seems a pull-up shooter more than a screen shooter.
Problem is he has no Redick as mentor and teacher. Seth Curry is more a static 3-points shooter than JJ.
On the other hand, I liked his defense: better than expected both on man and as team defense.
He has to put up some pounds though.
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Post#152 » by HotelVitale » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:04 pm

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LloydFree wrote: I don't see Deron either. Deron wasn't a crafty scoring guard. He was a pure, up tempo, PG. He also could shoot. Maxey isn't a pure PG. He's a scoring guard who can dish, when he gets cut off. I think Kobble's Coby White and Brandon Knight compaare the best I've seen, based on what he's shown so far.
Wow Brandon Knight . That's good one and that's scary
Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG... I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.

Definitely agree, Maxey has some good things about him but there's no reason to pretend he's a super prospect, and not because of where he was drafted. He's not that big/long/strong, not that athletic, not that great of a shooter, doesn't have great court vision, etc, so I don't think there's any reason to put big projections on him. There's a chance he has a special knack for scoring in NBA space (given his floater and body control) but that's unlikely+unknowable now, so it seems more realistic to hope that he can be a solid creator/scorer who can also space the floor, dish, and play decent defense. That's a pretty big need for us and seems like a great outcome. It's more likely that in a couple years he can do some of those things well and not others, I'm just hoping that leaves him as a useful rotation guy that fills some holes for us and can maybe play real PO minutes.

B Knight doesn't sound quite right for me (played PG and took a ton of jumpers) but can't think of another hustling score-first combo guard with touch right now.
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Post#153 » by LloydFree » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:16 pm

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phillynative wrote: Wow Brandon Knight . That's good one and that's scary
Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG... I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.


Definitely agree, Maxey has some good things about him but there's no reason to pretend he's a super prospect, and not because of where he was drafted. He's not that big/long/strong, not that athletic, not that great of a shooter, doesn't have great court vision, etc, so I don't think there's any reason to put big projections on him. There's a chance he has a special knack for scoring in NBA space (given his floater and body control) but that's unlikely+unknowable now, so it seems more realistic to hope that he can be a solid creator/scorer who can also space the floor, dish, and play decent defense. That's a pretty big need for us and seems like a great outcome. It's more likely that in a couple years he can do some of those things well and not others, I'm just hoping that leaves him as a useful rotation guy that fills some holes for us and can maybe play real PO minutes.

Right now he's a 3rd guard prospect, who we hope has a little more than what Calipari allowed him to showcase. If somehow your expectation is Donovan Mitchell or Jamal Murray, you're going to be disappointed. He can't be them, because he isn't on their level athletically.
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Post#154 » by SixthStreet » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:55 pm

He has Markelle Fultz's scoring toolkit (but none of the floor vision) with significantly worse measurables and athleticism but much better intangibles.
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Post#155 » by LloydFree » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:02 pm

SixthStreet wrote:He has Markelle Fultz's scoring toolkit (but none of the floor vision) with significantly worse measurables and athleticism but much better intangibles.

He's the opposite of Markelle Fultz. Fultz was a pure PG, who lucked up into shooting well from 3 for the only time in his life and was non-competitive. Maxey was a competitive, Scoring guard, who shot poorly from 3 for the first time in his life
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Post#156 » by Black Mage » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:48 pm

I think many of you are comparing him to what Deron developed into. Looking at Deron's first year in college, then Maxey is comparable. Derons first year at Utah wasn't anything special either. He developed into the great player, but before then, he wasn't all that different, especially his freshman year in college to Maxey.
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Post#157 » by phillynative » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:51 pm

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LloydFree wrote:I don't see Deron either. Deron wasn't a crafty scoring guard. He was a pure, up tempo, PG. He also could shoot. Maxey isn't a pure PG. He's a scoring guard who can dish, when he gets cut off. I think Kobble's Coby White and Brandon Knight compaare the best I've seen, based on what he's shown so far.


Wow Brandon Knight . That's good one and that's scary

Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG...

I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.


I remember knight being a solid scorer, shooter,athlete with below average bball iq , defense and court vision. I know he had some bad breaks as far as he health just wasnt a huge fan thats just my opinion.

I dont know where that correlates with high expectations for Tyrese but mines have been pretty mild even before we drafted him.
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Post#158 » by Monix » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:05 pm

how do you feel about a Dion Waiters comp for Maxey?
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Post#159 » by Sixerscan » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:33 pm

phillynative wrote:
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Wow Brandon Knight . That's good one and that's scary

Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG...

I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.


I remember knight being a solid scorer, shooter,athlete with below average bball iq , defense and court vision. I know he had some bad breaks as far as he health just wasnt a huge fan thats just my opinion.

I dont know where that correlates with high expectations for Tyrese but mines have been pretty mild even before we drafted him.

I thought you were saying a Knight-level player would be a bad result for the 21st pick? If so I disagree.
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Post#160 » by phillynative » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:54 pm

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Sixerscan wrote:Knight had several years where he averaged 17 PPG...

I think people have too high of expectations for Maxey. He's the 21st pick in the draft, if he has some years where he's a decent starter that's a great outcome.


I remember knight being a solid scorer, shooter,athlete with below average bball iq , defense and court vision. I know he had some bad breaks as far as he health just wasnt a huge fan thats just my opinion.

I dont know where that correlates with high expectations for Tyrese but mines have been pretty mild even before we drafted him.

I thought you were saying a Knight-level player would be a bad result for the 21st pick? If so I disagree.


For this team if Maxey will have trouble defending both points guards and 2guards, take bad shots with below average court vision for a ball handler than we can agree to disagree.

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