Deni Avdija

[tontoz]

My key takeaway from WizD is that he likes Deni which makes him a can't miss prospect.

In the meantime I am looking for a suitable quote to update my sig but my current one is hard to top.

[Thedragonking]

Deni avdija looking good

[WizarDynasty]

He is going to lose alot athleticism bulking up. Should be working with Vmax weight vests and lateral speed 80 percent of the time with jump soles. He is wasting valuable time.

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He is going to lose alot athleticism bulking up. Should be working with Vmax weight vests and lateral speed 80 percent of the time with jump soles. He is wasting valuable time.

You raise some good points. Which leads to a deeper question, who is guiding him regarding getting his body right for the NBA? Idk if WIzards revamped management team deals with this issue but it is very important IMO. What is the right combination of strength, quickness and athleticism that a player needs?

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To this day, I still have no idea what WizD means when he talks about deep hip bend. Is that like a low squat position? Is it a bend at the waist like you are touching your toes? In either case, I can't imagine how being in that position helps your shooting motion.

It means different things all the time. Basically he has decided he is a guru of physical form, but where he used to use the term 'bowlegged' for staying in a low defensive stance, now he uses the term 'hip bend'. He has decided that it also means something on offense, though I'm not sure what considering the best standstill jumpers and 2nd jump athletes basically pogo-stick with very little flex. Maybe he means keeping a low dribble on the drive. Not sure. Newly he has decided arch in the lower back is important, and also a high elbow on the jumper. But it seems to shift around since he makes excuses for players he likes that do not seem to match players he has spoken against. But mostly I don't bring it up because to do so will mean a page long thesis with little to no punctuation and very definite opinions on something that to me seems the biometric equivalent of phrenology. I like seeing WizD on here, but there is only so much hip bend I can take. Which is surely why I am not an NBA player.

Whoa guys, come on...

You have to flexible about the bend, have some range of motion in your responses to WizD. & get hip to the hip as well.

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http://www.alignmentpaths.com/blog/2018/4/1/master-the-hip-hinge-bend-forward-without-back-pain

[DCZards]

He is going to lose alot athleticism bulking up. Should be working with Vmax weight vests and lateral speed 80 percent of the time with jump soles. He is wasting valuable time.

Deni definitely needs more strength and bulk than he has now. Agree that too much bulk could affect his speed and athleticism. But he has a ways to go before reaching that point.

[tontoz]

He is going to lose alot athleticism bulking up. Should be working with Vmax weight vests and lateral speed 80 percent of the time with jump soles. He is wasting valuable time.

Deni definitely needs more strength and bulk than he has now. Agree that too much bulk could affect his speed and athleticism. But he has a ways to go before reaching that point.

Can anyone actually think of examples of this happening, someone hitting the weights hard and putting on so much muscle that it hurt their athleticism?

In the NBA I am having a hard time thinking of examples. First of all it is hard to put on a lot of muscle through weight training in a short period of time. Secondly getting stronger generally helps your athleticism.

[WizarDynasty]

He is going to lose alot athleticism bulking up. Should be working with Vmax weight vests and lateral speed 80 percent of the time with jump soles. He is wasting valuable time.

Deni definitely needs more strength and bulk than he has now. Agree that too much bulk could affect his speed and athleticism. But he has a ways to go before reaching that point.

Disagree, he already has Major stiffness in his lower back which prevents him from quickly arching his lower back while rising for a jumpshot. That right there will probably takes years to fix if ever. and adding bulk to his arms and chess will decrease his fine motor coordination especially for shooting three pointers and free throws. The only weight training he should be doing is with a specially designed 40lb weight vest for basketball-called VMAX.
He probably should practice lateral agility with weight vest and jump soles with the balls at the bottom. Adding Bulk will ruin deny. HIs biggest strength is his elite hip bend, ball handling, and growing upside coordination with his left hand. He should focus on bulking up so that he can push people out the post. Lateral footspeed using jumpsoles and weight vest is all he needs. Shooting jumpers with jumpsoles will help him with his form.

[nate33]

He is going to lose alot athleticism bulking up. Should be working with Vmax weight vests and lateral speed 80 percent of the time with jump soles. He is wasting valuable time.

Deni definitely needs more strength and bulk than he has now. Agree that too much bulk could affect his speed and athleticism. But he has a ways to go before reaching that point.

Can anyone actually think of examples of this happening, someone hitting the weights hard and putting on so much muscle that it hurt their athleticism?

In the NBA I am having a hard time thinking of examples. First of all it is hard to put on a lot of muscle through weight training in a short period of time. Secondly getting stronger generally helps your athleticism.

John Wall.

I felt he bulked up too much and lost a step as a result. He looks more svelte now.

[NatP4]

More what

[tontoz]

John Wall.

I felt he bulked up too much and lost a step as a result. He looks more svelte now.

I certainly never saw him as being bulky, or losing a step.

He did seem like he had a bit of a belly once. He also played hurt a lot. I think any perceived loss of speed is more likely due to his numerous injuries that he tried to play through.

[tontoz]

Anyone remember this guy? I don't think hitting the weights slowed him down.







How about this guy?

[Ruzious]

John Wall.

I felt he bulked up too much and lost a step as a result. He looks more svelte now.

I certainly never saw him as being bulky, or losing a step.

He did seem like he had a bit of a belly once. He also played hurt a lot. I think any perceived loss of speed is more likely due to his numerous injuries that he tried to play through.

I think Wall is a good example. He definitely looked bulkier a couple of years ago and looks much better now. Marcus Smart is another. He got huge a couple years ago. He lost 20 lbs last offseason, and it paid off. In football, Clint Portis is a good example. He went from a speed back to a power back with ordinary speed.

[tontoz]

Smart just improved his diet. Like a lot of young guy's his eating habits weren't great.

. Smart had been working hard, but his diet fell into the cycle of late-night junk food, a source told Celtics Wire earlier this summer. Smart admitted to enjoying a little too much late-night food when he hit the podium Monday, but has overhauled his diet since.

“Those challenges are coming in late, [restaurants] aren’t really open for you,” Smart said. “The only things that are really open are the fast food restaurants. But my body has adjusted to it. So even now when I have my cheat days, I try to eat a burger or something, and it comes right back up. My stomach is telling me, ‘We’re not doing that anymore. You need to get rid of that.'”

Smart hired a chef this summer to help this dietary overhaul, and said he ditched fried food for the delicious flavors of the Mediterranean.

“Dates are great,” he said. “I love them

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2017/09/25/marcus-smart-on-slimming-down-my-weight-has-been-lost-but-that-fat-has-turned-to-muscle/

[WizarDynasty]

Anyone remember this guy? I don't think hitting the weights slowed him down.







How about this guy?

When you talk about speed, you have to think about how quickly you make fine motor movements. Stutter step, adjusting the ball midair when shooting against defensive pressure. The bulkier you become, the less control you have over you muscles to execute fine motor movements. Hesitations, throwing defenders off balance, adjusting the ball with one hand while in the air and making it dramatically get reduced ass you add bulk to your arms and your chest and shoulders. Add Bulk to your calves and glutes never hurts although you can't over due it or you will become fatigue from carrying the excessive weight.
Deni's father looks pretty bulky so I would advise Deni to be really cautious.
He may not be able to lose it after he packs it on.
Either way, he already has trouble with free throw shooting which is usually tied directly to tightness is your shoulders and your lower back from heavy weight training. ONly bulk he should add is the bulk needed to move naturally with a vmax custom basketball weight vest and the extra bulk he will gain on calves from wearing jumpsoles.

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Shawn Kemp added muscle, lost a step (and, if memory serves, got injured), then let himself get out of shape.

Kobe also bulked up, then leaned up as he got older to retain speed and reduce wear and tear on his knees.

IIRC, Arenas has talked about how his body type adds muscle quickly, and the steps he took to avoid gaining muscle and losing a step/becoming more injury prone as a result.

[tontoz]

My Avdija's biased assesment from an Israeli fan (I've posted it to his draft thread and on reddit before, just copying it here)

Finally got the chance to read your entire post. Good stuff thanks for that.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

He is going to lose alot athleticism bulking up. Should be working with Vmax weight vests and lateral speed 80 percent of the time with jump soles. He is wasting valuable time.

Deni definitely needs more strength and bulk than he has now. Agree that too much bulk could affect his speed and athleticism. But he has a ways to go before reaching that point.

Disagree, he already has Major stiffness in his lower back which prevents him from quickly arching his lower back while rising for a jumpshot. That right there will probably takes years to fix if ever. and adding bulk to his arms and chess will decrease his fine motor coordination especially for shooting three pointers and free throws. The only weight training he should be doing is with a specially designed 40lb weight vest for basketball-called VMAX.
He probably should practice lateral agility with weight vest and jump soles with the balls at the bottom. Adding Bulk will ruin deny. HIs biggest strength is his elite hip bend, ball handling, and growing upside coordination with his left hand. He should focus on bulking up so that he can push people out the post. Lateral footspeed using jumpsoles and weight vest is all he needs. Shooting jumpers with jumpsoles will help him with his form.

I actually think the most beneficial mode of conditioning for Avdija, and most athletes that require strong core high flexibility of quad, hips, back and extremities is the martial arts, especially Kung-Fu which is extremely fluid and coordinated with high burst impact power focusing of hand eye and mind in sync with extreme back arch deep knee bends and hip flex to create launch and motion of quickness. Tae Kwon Do is more focused on power burst from inner core and a power hip bend to create supreme leg force. Also recommended is swimming and pool exercises as well as yoga.

[gambitx777]

I don't think the man bulked up in a clean way he got thick as in wasn't taking care of what he put in his body.

Deni definitely needs more strength and bulk than he has now. Agree that too much bulk could affect his speed and athleticism. But he has a ways to go before reaching that point.

Can anyone actually think of examples of this happening, someone hitting the weights hard and putting on so much muscle that it hurt their athleticism?

In the NBA I am having a hard time thinking of examples. First of all it is hard to put on a lot of muscle through weight training in a short period of time. Secondly getting stronger generally helps your athleticism.

John Wall.

I felt he bulked up too much and lost a step as a result. He looks more svelte now.

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