2020 Preseason Speculation - Lineup battles underway

[Moochthemonkey]

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2 way contract maybe? I had never heard of the dude. SF who was on a 2way with Orlando last season.

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He played 83 minutes. If this isn't a 2 way and is our last roster spot it seems odd to cut Okobo for him. He scored a total of 30 points last year with 15 rebounds, 3 assists and 6 turnovers.

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Suns trying to find their version of Alex Caruso

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[Moochthemonkey]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260603/Frank-Kaminsky-Agrees-To-One-Year-Deal-With-Suns

[bigfoot]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260603/Frank-Kaminsky-Agrees-To-One-Year-Deal-With-Suns

LOL ... love the proofreader comment.

[bwgood77]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260603/Frank-Kaminsky-Agrees-To-One-Year-Deal-With-Suns

LOL ... love the proofreader comment.

Yeah, I could fix those but they are humorous too..there is another bad one in the football wiretaps...they are messed up all the time. I think I know who posts them considering all the bad typos I see when I converse with this person.

[Frank Lee]

There IS a god

[bwgood77]

First win total to bet over or under has us at 38. That's the 8th highest in the west and Houston isn't available to bet on yet. If Harden goes back there I imagine they are higher than us too.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-win-totals-betting-odds-bucks-lakers-clippers-nets-2020-21

[NTB]

First win total to bet over or under has us at 38. That's the 8th highest in the west and Houston isn't available to bet on yet. If Harden goes back there I imagine they are higher than us too.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-win-totals-betting-odds-bucks-lakers-clippers-nets-2020-21

As someone said in the General Board:

Yup, it's important to remember that Vegas doesn't set over/unders based on what they think will happen, but based on how they think that people will bet. And with the Raps being a foreign team that doesn't get lots of US TV coverage, people tend to sleep on them, so their over/under goes lower than it otherwise 'should'.

This can apply to Suns too. After a 10-year playoff drought, nobody trusts or cares about us.

[bwgood77]

First win total to bet over or under has us at 38. That's the 8th highest in the west and Houston isn't available to bet on yet. If Harden goes back there I imagine they are higher than us too.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-win-totals-betting-odds-bucks-lakers-clippers-nets-2020-21

As someone said in the General Board:

Yup, it's important to remember that Vegas doesn't set over/unders based on what they think will happen, but based on how they think that people will bet. And with the Raps being a foreign team that doesn't get lots of US TV coverage, people tend to sleep on them, so their over/under goes lower than it otherwise 'should'.

This can apply to Suns too. After a 10-year playoff drought, nobody trusts or cares about us.

Yes, I know how Vegas sets lines...they don't want the bets to come too heavy on one side. That equates to a little over 43 wins in a normal season.

I had heard earlier (or read) that they were originally set at about 38, but with the Paul trade, jumped to 43, but I don't know if that is wrong or at another sports book...that is too big of a difference for Vegas books. And not too many teams have more than 43 for an over/under. That would equate to almost 49 wins in a normal season. The only teams that have more than that are Brooklyn, Boston, Denver, the LA teams and Milwaukee. Seems like more teams would be projected to have 50 or more wins. Denver is only 43.5 so that still projects to about 50, leaving only 2 WC teams with more.

Those over/unders all seem pretty low, though then again, the WC is pretty tough top to bottom, except for maybe a couple teams.

I had actually looked for Vegas win totals the other day and couldn't find any...I had never really heard of that site until I saw it on the GB, so who knows if it's legit. I think a lot of bets would come in on the over for the Suns...because the people that will be on the Suns the most are Suns fans, and 38 seems pretty low.

[NTB]

First win total to bet over or under has us at 38. That's the 8th highest in the west and Houston isn't available to bet on yet. If Harden goes back there I imagine they are higher than us too.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-win-totals-betting-odds-bucks-lakers-clippers-nets-2020-21

As someone said in the General Board:

Yup, it's important to remember that Vegas doesn't set over/unders based on what they think will happen, but based on how they think that people will bet. And with the Raps being a foreign team that doesn't get lots of US TV coverage, people tend to sleep on them, so their over/under goes lower than it otherwise 'should'.

This can apply to Suns too. After a 10-year playoff drought, nobody trusts or cares about us.

Yes, I know how Vegas sets lines...they don't want the bets to come too heavy on one side. That equates to a little over 43 wins in a normal season.

I had heard earlier (or read) that they were originally set at about 38, but with the Paul trade, jumped to 43, but I don't know if that is wrong or at another sports book...that is too big of a difference for Vegas books. And not too many teams have more than 43 for an over/under. That would equate to almost 49 wins in a normal season. The only teams that have more than that are Brooklyn, Boston, Denver, the LA teams and Milwaukee. Seems like more teams would be projected to have 50 or more wins. Denver is only 43.5 so that still projects to about 50, leaving only 2 WC teams with more.

Those over/unders all seem pretty low, though then again, the WC is pretty tough top to bottom, except for maybe a couple teams.

I had actually looked for Vegas win totals the other day and couldn't find any...I had never really heard of that site until I saw it on the GB, so who knows if it's legit. I think a lot of bets would come in on the over for the Suns...because the people that will be on the Suns the most are Suns fans, and 38 seems pretty low.

It was on Matt Moore's twitter (@HPbasketball) but I believe that 43 wins was a translation to regular 82-game season (which is 38 wins in 72-game season I think). So it was lower than 38 wins before and they made it 38 after CP3.

[suns12345]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260603/Frank-Kaminsky-Agrees-To-One-Year-Deal-With-Suns

Unusual to see a guy have an option declined and then come back with the same team at significantly less money (I presume)

I don't mind retaining him though, he a 7ft'er who can shoot. good depth.

[NTB]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260603/Frank-Kaminsky-Agrees-To-One-Year-Deal-With-Suns

Unusual to see a guy have an option declined and then come back with the same team at significantly less money (I presume)

I don't mind retaining him though, he a 7ft'er who can shoot. good depth.

He signed with Kings. The title is wrong.

Sorry if you were just kidding.

[8on]

Yup, Oubre is a bad guy. Just like every other player we traded in the past 10+ yrs. They are all petty, immature crybabies and Suns are the best and most professional organization in the history of mankind.

if everyone involved is petty, awareness is the only thing keeping the ship from sinking. Culture comes from the top down, as we know. At least someone in org knows better

[Fo-Real]

So no frank?

[NTB]

So no frank?

Our roster is set already with 1 open slot. No Frank.

[Bogyo]

As someone said in the General Board:



This can apply to Suns too. After a 10-year playoff drought, nobody trusts or cares about us.

Yes, I know how Vegas sets lines...they don't want the bets to come too heavy on one side. That equates to a little over 43 wins in a normal season.

I had heard earlier (or read) that they were originally set at about 38, but with the Paul trade, jumped to 43, but I don't know if that is wrong or at another sports book...that is too big of a difference for Vegas books. And not too many teams have more than 43 for an over/under. That would equate to almost 49 wins in a normal season. The only teams that have more than that are Brooklyn, Boston, Denver, the LA teams and Milwaukee. Seems like more teams would be projected to have 50 or more wins. Denver is only 43.5 so that still projects to about 50, leaving only 2 WC teams with more.

Those over/unders all seem pretty low, though then again, the WC is pretty tough top to bottom, except for maybe a couple teams.

I had actually looked for Vegas win totals the other day and couldn't find any...I had never really heard of that site until I saw it on the GB, so who knows if it's legit. I think a lot of bets would come in on the over for the Suns...because the people that will be on the Suns the most are Suns fans, and 38 seems pretty low.

It was on Matt Moore's twitter (@HPbasketball) but I believe that 43 wins was a translation to regular 82-game season (which is 38 wins in 72-game season I think). So it was lower than 38 wins before and they made it 38 after CP3.

Also, not only the west is brutal, our division is straight up killer. Not sure how many games we are playing the LA teams, who are better than us, and we are on par with GSW.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[NTB]

Yes, I know how Vegas sets lines...they don't want the bets to come too heavy on one side. That equates to a little over 43 wins in a normal season.

I had heard earlier (or read) that they were originally set at about 38, but with the Paul trade, jumped to 43, but I don't know if that is wrong or at another sports book...that is too big of a difference for Vegas books. And not too many teams have more than 43 for an over/under. That would equate to almost 49 wins in a normal season. The only teams that have more than that are Brooklyn, Boston, Denver, the LA teams and Milwaukee. Seems like more teams would be projected to have 50 or more wins. Denver is only 43.5 so that still projects to about 50, leaving only 2 WC teams with more.

Those over/unders all seem pretty low, though then again, the WC is pretty tough top to bottom, except for maybe a couple teams.

I had actually looked for Vegas win totals the other day and couldn't find any...I had never really heard of that site until I saw it on the GB, so who knows if it's legit. I think a lot of bets would come in on the over for the Suns...because the people that will be on the Suns the most are Suns fans, and 38 seems pretty low.

It was on Matt Moore's twitter (@HPbasketball) but I believe that 43 wins was a translation to regular 82-game season (which is 38 wins in 72-game season I think). So it was lower than 38 wins before and they made it 38 after CP3.

Also, not only the west is brutal, our division is straight up killer. Not sure how many games we are playing the LA teams, who are better than us, and we are on par with GSW.

Luckily this year we will only play with our division rivals 3* times each.

*In case you or other people here don't know: Teams play 3 times each against every team in their conference (14 x 3 = 42) and 2 times each against teams in other conference (15 x 2 = 30) so 72 games total.

Also we won against Clippers even last year so I don't think we will lose all the 6 games against LAL and LAC. I'm not afraid of any team this season which is an awesome feeling.

[dmastro32]

Yes, I know how Vegas sets lines...they don't want the bets to come too heavy on one side. That equates to a little over 43 wins in a normal season.

I had heard earlier (or read) that they were originally set at about 38, but with the Paul trade, jumped to 43, but I don't know if that is wrong or at another sports book...that is too big of a difference for Vegas books. And not too many teams have more than 43 for an over/under. That would equate to almost 49 wins in a normal season. The only teams that have more than that are Brooklyn, Boston, Denver, the LA teams and Milwaukee. Seems like more teams would be projected to have 50 or more wins. Denver is only 43.5 so that still projects to about 50, leaving only 2 WC teams with more.

Those over/unders all seem pretty low, though then again, the WC is pretty tough top to bottom, except for maybe a couple teams.

I had actually looked for Vegas win totals the other day and couldn't find any...I had never really heard of that site until I saw it on the GB, so who knows if it's legit. I think a lot of bets would come in on the over for the Suns...because the people that will be on the Suns the most are Suns fans, and 38 seems pretty low.

It was on Matt Moore's twitter (@HPbasketball) but I believe that 43 wins was a translation to regular 82-game season (which is 38 wins in 72-game season I think). So it was lower than 38 wins before and they made it 38 after CP3.

Also, not only the west is brutal, our division is straight up killer. Not sure how many games we are playing the LA teams, who are better than us, and we are on par with GSW.

Play all west teams 3 times and east teams twice

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Barkley6]

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Good article. I like the idea of Smith as an 'energy' guy for 10-15 a night while he gets accustomed to the league. We don't need him to put up huge numbers or be an all star, just someone who is a net positive when he's on the floor. Plugging him in for a few minutes a night and saying "play good defense, rebound the hell out of the ball and give 110%" isn't a bad starting place.

I wouldn't worry too much about running offensive sets for him, or making him a feature player. Just have him go be big and smart and do the little things well. Then slowly add more to his plate.