Rate Suns GM James Jones offseason

[AussieCeltic]

Not a fan of the CP3 trade. It’s quite expensive for a 2 year rental IMO.

Why not just trade for a younger player like Jrue?

You get to be competitive longer. I mean, it’s not like the Suns have a small window and has to win it in the next 2 years.

He also overpaid for Crowder. If you look at the numbers, Crowder has been a bad 3pt shooter except for the 8 games he played for the Heat. He was even a below average shooter for the Heat in the play-offs.

Did you not see what the Bucks gave up for Jrue? CP3 is the better player and they got him for less

[76ciology]

Not a fan of the CP3 trade. It’s quite expensive for a 2 year rental IMO.

Why not just trade for a younger player like Jrue?

You get to be competitive longer. I mean, it’s not like the Suns have a small window and has to win it in the next 2 years.

He also overpaid for Crowder. If you look at the numbers, Crowder has been a bad 3pt shooter except for the 8 games he played for the Heat. He was even a below average shooter for the Heat in the play-offs.

Did you not see what the Bucks gave up for Jrue? CP3 is the better player and they got him for less

“Like Jrue” is not exactly Jrue.

[AussieCeltic]

Not a fan of the CP3 trade. It’s quite expensive for a 2 year rental IMO.

Why not just trade for a younger player like Jrue?

You get to be competitive longer. I mean, it’s not like the Suns have a small window and has to win it in the next 2 years.

He also overpaid for Crowder. If you look at the numbers, Crowder has been a bad 3pt shooter except for the 8 games he played for the Heat. He was even a below average shooter for the Heat in the play-offs.

Did you not see what the Bucks gave up for Jrue? CP3 is the better player and they got him for less

“Like Jrue” is not exactly Jrue.

Maybe throw up a suggestion there? What player “like Jrue” is available?

[Merc_Porto]

Jrue is more of a SG than a PG.
And with Booker, there was no need for Jrue to begin...

Paul or Rubio (before) are the perfect fit for Devin.

[andyhop]

Seems like he turned a second round exit ceiling team into a second round exit ceiling team with different players

[76ciology]

Did you not see what the Bucks gave up for Jrue? CP3 is the better player and they got him for less

“Like Jrue” is not exactly Jrue.

Maybe throw up a suggestion there? What player “like Jrue” is available?

Schroeder?
2.37RPM
19-4-4 in 2019-2020 season
Only 26 years old (booker is 24)

Lakers gave danny green and some random guy selected with the 28th overall pick.

That could be a backcourt that would last more than 2 years.

Other options?
- Dinwiddie (surplus now Kyrie is back)
- George Hill (could mask Booker’s defense)
- Patty Mills (3.32 ORPM, double down on combo guards following Blazers footsteps; spurs would be thirsty for pick and oubre)
- DRose (expiring, pistons should be thirsty for your pick and oubre)
- Brogdon (shown ability to play lead PG; averaged 16-7-5; should be cheaper than CP3)
- Oladipo (they say he doesnt have value around the league, maybe a free roll move?)
- Maybe Caris LeVert (double down on combo guards like the Blazers)

Once booker is at his prime, 27-28 years old.
CP3 would be 38-40 years old.

What happens then?

The addition of Crowder and CP3 looks nice from the outside but if you dig deep like looking at the cheaper alternatives and if you do long term projections, it’s ugly.

[Bill Bradley]

C

I prefer the outgoing players to the incoming players. Chris Paul is over the hill. Not a fan of Crowder. Whiffed on the draft.

[AussieCeltic]

“Like Jrue” is not exactly Jrue.

Maybe throw up a suggestion there? What player “like Jrue” is available?

Schroeder?
2.37RPM
19-4-4 in 2019-2020 season
Only 26 years old (booker is 24)

Lakers gave danny green and some random guy selected with the 28th overall pick.

That could be a backcourt that would last more than 2 years.

Other options?
- Dinwiddie (surplus now Kyrie is back)
- George Hill (could mask Booker’s defense)
- Patty Mills (3.32 ORPM, double down on combo guards following Blazers footsteps; spurs would be thirsty for pick and oubre)
- DRose (expiring, pistons should be thirsty for your pick and oubre)
- Brogdon (shown ability to play lead PG; averaged 16-7-5; should be cheaper than CP3)
- Oladipo (they say he doesnt have value around the league, maybe a free roll move?)
- Maybe Caris LeVert (double down on combo guards like the Blazers)

Once booker is at his prime, 27-28 years old.
CP3 would be 38-40 years old.

What happens then?

The addition of Crowder and CP3 looks nice from the outside but if you dig deep like looking at the cheaper alternatives and if you do long term projections, it’s ugly.

Yikes.

Schroeder had a career year playing next to.... Chris Paul.

Dinwiddie. Whilst not a bad player. I don’t think he’d work with Booker. I also don’t think the Nets would want Rubio or Oubre.

George Hill. Really mate?

Patty Mills. One of my fav players but better as a bench scorer.


DRose. 32 years old but relies on athleticism. Nice player but better off keeping Rubio.

Brogdon just flat out isn’t available unless it’s a package better than what Suns gave up for CP3.

Oladipo. Has looked really bad since being back from injury. Pass

Levert. Nice player but having Rubio next to Booker proved he plays well with another facilitator. Levert is a bad fit.

CP3 may be older but Booker wants to win. This gives him some reps in the playoffs and they can either trade him as an expiring next season or free up some cap space.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

He took a significant risk on Paul because of his health, it's also somewhat trying to cut corners acquiring a player that doesn't fit their timeline.
Don't believe the consensus, the risk for OKC on getting Paul was minimal, the Suns now have made significant investments on him.

[slos]

I gave him a C for these reasons:

1) He should have gone for Gallo with cap space instead of Crowder with the MLE. I think the Suns went cheap there.

2) He gave up too much for CP3. Rubio and Oubre was already OK value. Oklahoma got a 1st from Oubre and traded up using Rubio. Something less valuable needed to be added than a future 1st. Maybe a couple of 2nds.

3) I don't mind going for you guy in the draft, but Haliburton was too good to let him slip at #10. Having Paul around to mentor him for his first two seasons would be huge.

4) If he had done 2 and 3 I believe he would be able to keep Baynes with the room exception. He signed a 2y/14mil with Toronto, but the 2nd year is NG and we all know Toronto's plans. A fully guaranteed 2y/10mil is close.

Paul........Haliburton
Booker
Bridges.....Johnson
Gallo
Ayton.......Baynes

That would be an even better team IMO. Suns did well, but they could have done even better.

[Optms]

Never understood the point of grading GM's before the season even starts. Its like having a class of students, they all study overnight and you begin grading them based on who studied what and how long. But no one has even taken the test yet. The test in this case being the NBA season.

[LakersSoul]

Overall you can say the Suns got better by adding Chris Paul. If you grade by that then it’s a “B” for me.

Considering you traded away younger players in Oubre and Rubio (plus FRP) for an expensive vet on his last leg then added a good player in Crowder, I ultimately give it a “C”.

Not a great overall directional move since CP only has 1-2 good years left. With Paul you have no upside. You pick him on the way down and pay up for his services.

[The_Hater]

The Crowder, Moore, Galloway signings are underrated but I still think he grossly overpaid for a 35 year old PG who isn’t part of the teams future. Never mortgage the future to chase a bottom rung playoff seed.

[Fo-Real]

One question...
Is Cam Johnson coming off the bench?

He's a stud, love his game and he should't be coming off the bench. Stay with what you have and just replace Paul for Ricky in that lineup.

Hearing he is really wowing on his improved size and strength. That said, he will be the flamethrower off the bench.

[LewisnotMiller]

If he was going to try and get the Suns in a position to make a run at the 8 spot, then I think he's exceeded expectation and they might be able to avoid the play-in games entirely. Adding Crowder (as well as Paul) to a core of Ayton, Bridges, Booker is decent. And the bench looks capable, particularly if Johnson is real. Galloway and Moore are just solid pros.

I'm not sure how this looks in 3 years, and I didn't love the Jalen Smith pick for the Suns, so I'm reducing my A to a B. But he's done well.

[limbo]

What's the Suns depth chart now?

Ayton/Saric/Jones
Crowder/Johnson/Smith
Bridges
Booker
CP3/Payne/Carter

I'm guessing Crowder/Jonson are going to alternate between PF and SF, with Saric getting some minutes at C/PF and Bridges maybe getting some minutes at SG, because the SF/SG spot isn't that deep.

[Merc_Porto]

What's the Suns depth chart now?

Ayton/Saric/Jones
Crowder/Johnson/Smith
Bridges
Booker
CP3/Payne/Carter

I'm guessing Crowder/Jonson are going to alternate between PF and SF, with Saric getting some minutes at C/PF and Bridges maybe getting some minutes at SG, because the SF/SG spot isn't that deep.

CP3 - Payne
Booker - Carter
Bridges - (Crowder)
Cam - (Crowder)
Ayton - Saric

I think the rotation is going to be something like this in the first half of the season.

[limbo]

What's the Suns depth chart now?

Ayton/Saric/Jones
Crowder/Johnson/Smith
Bridges
Booker
CP3/Payne/Carter

I'm guessing Crowder/Jonson are going to alternate between PF and SF, with Saric getting some minutes at C/PF and Bridges maybe getting some minutes at SG, because the SF/SG spot isn't that deep.

CP3 - Payne
Booker - Carter
Bridges - (Crowder)
Cam - (Crowder)
Ayton - Saric

I think the rotation is going to be something like this in the first half of the season.

I like Saric as the 5 on offense against smallball, not sure how great he can be on defense in that situation, though. I think Jones is good enough to get like 10-15 minutes at either C/PF. I'm sure they'll give Smith some minutes as well, as he was the 10th pick. There's definitely a lot of options for them to play with in the frontcourt.

Backcourt is a bit stingy outside Book and CP3. Payne has actually been surprisingly good in the bubble, and i believe he played a decent amount of minutes at SG. Carter is probably the 4th best guard, despite being 6'1 dude is solid defensively and can hit the three.

[darmani]

What's the Suns depth chart now?

Ayton/Saric/Jones
Crowder/Johnson/Smith
Bridges
Booker
CP3/Payne/Carter

I'm guessing Crowder/Jonson are going to alternate between PF and SF, with Saric getting some minutes at C/PF and Bridges maybe getting some minutes at SG, because the SF/SG spot isn't that deep.

CP3 - Payne
Booker - Carter
Bridges - (Crowder)
Cam - (Crowder)
Ayton - Saric

I think the rotation is going to be something like this in the first half of the season.

Crowder will probably be the starting PF and E'Twaun Moore and Langston Galloway should get some playing time off the bench too.

[Merc_Porto]

What's the Suns depth chart now?

Ayton/Saric/Jones
Crowder/Johnson/Smith
Bridges
Booker
CP3/Payne/Carter

I'm guessing Crowder/Jonson are going to alternate between PF and SF, with Saric getting some minutes at C/PF and Bridges maybe getting some minutes at SG, because the SF/SG spot isn't that deep.

CP3 - Payne
Booker - Carter
Bridges - (Crowder)
Cam - (Crowder)
Ayton - Saric

I think the rotation is going to be something like this in the first half of the season.

Crowder will probably be the starting PF and E'Twaun Moore and Langston Galloway should get some playing time off the bench too.

Yeah, i forgot about those two.
Even better, gives you a 10 man rotation.