Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[bucksfansince88]

Lopez, Wilson, Pat C for Vuc work?

Doesn't work for Orlando lol.

Hammond can have all the 2nds he wants

[skones]

Do not extend Jrue, play out the season, see where it goes, and visit his possible free agency next offseason. With some maneuvering, we could have some legitimate free agency options.

[bucksfansince88]

Brook, Pat C and Donte for Derozan is another move that helps us now and gives us flexibility moving forward.

[zimpy27]

Lopez, Wilson, DDV for Graham, Zeller, Carey Jr

Graham, Jrue, Middleton, Giannis, Zeller
Augustin, Connaughton, Craig, Portis, Carey Jr

[mke_design]

Do not extend Jrue, play out the season, see where it goes, and visit his possible free agency next offseason. With some maneuvering, we could have some legitimate free agency options.

This is silly

[LuessiT]

Lopez, Wilson, DDV for Graham, Zeller, Carey Jr

Graham, Jrue, Middleton, Giannis, Zeller
Augustin, Connaughton, Craig, Portis, Carey Jr

We're probably sending the 3 most valueable players out here imo. Moving Lopez for the sake of moving Lopez seems like a bad idea.

[LUKE23]

Do not extend Jrue, play out the season, see where it goes, and visit his possible free agency next offseason. With some maneuvering, we could have some legitimate free agency options.

Better than Holiday? He's a top 25 player and this FA class is not very strong.

[skones]

Do not extend Jrue, play out the season, see where it goes, and visit his possible free agency next offseason. With some maneuvering, we could have some legitimate free agency options.

This is silly

It's not. The last thing we need is a guy on the wrong side of 30 inked to a long term deal while being a clunky fit or choking in the playoffs losing ALL of his value with no options moving forward.

If it works out, do we really think that Jrue is like, "Nah, I want to move again, to a situation that's uncomfortable, and may not work as well as this one?" No. Having Giannis inked long term puts us in the drivers seat next offseason.

[skones]

Do not extend Jrue, play out the season, see where it goes, and visit his possible free agency next offseason. With some maneuvering, we could have some legitimate free agency options.

Better than Holiday? He's a top 25 player and this FA class is not very strong.

I don't agree that Holiday is a top 25 player. Having maneuverable space also gives us trade options, particularly if we were to couple that space with outgoing salary like Lopez.

[LuessiT]

Do not extend Jrue, play out the season, see where it goes, and visit his possible free agency next offseason. With some maneuvering, we could have some legitimate free agency options.

This is silly

It's not. The last thing we need is a guy on the wrong side of 30 inked to a long term deal while being a clunky fit or choking in the playoffs losing ALL of his value with no options moving forward.

If it works out, do we really think that Jrue is like, "Nah, I want to move again, to a situation that's uncomfortable, and may not work as well as this one?" No. Having Giannis inked long term puts us in the drivers seat next offseason.

With Giannis and Middleton we don't even have another max slot open. If we really wanted someone over Jrue we'd figure out a S&T with an extended Jrue.

[LUKE23]

I don't agree that Holiday is a top 25 player. Having maneuverable space also gives us trade options, particularly if we were to couple that space with outgoing salary like Lopez.

Yeah, he's a top 25 player or right there. Partnow, who I have a lot of respect for as an analyst, had him in the 17-24 ranking tier, and that's about right.

We really don't have that many trade options. No picks available to trade, without Jrue under contract you are looking at Middleton/Lopez, who you don't really move unless you upgrade them, which won't be easy. There is no PG in the next class worth signing over Holiday.

Lets face it, this is our big 3 for at least the next few years. Maybe we move Brook in a two for one or something, but we don't have a lot of maneuverability and the FA class is not intriguing at all.

[skones]

This is silly

It's not. The last thing we need is a guy on the wrong side of 30 inked to a long term deal while being a clunky fit or choking in the playoffs losing ALL of his value with no options moving forward.

If it works out, do we really think that Jrue is like, "Nah, I want to move again, to a situation that's uncomfortable, and may not work as well as this one?" No. Having Giannis inked long term puts us in the drivers seat next offseason.

With Giannis and Middleton we don't even have another max slot open. If we really wamyed someone over Jrue we'd figure out a S&T with an extended Jrue.

Which isn't a possibility if we extend Jrue. There is ALSO the added flexibility, with some manuevering, that would give you a salary buffer via trade in allowing you to absorb some of the overflow instead of having to match salary dollar for dollar which is obviously always difficult when it comes to S&Ts. This same flexibility could also be used in your standard run of the mill trades during the offseason.

[zimpy27]

Lopez, Wilson, DDV for Graham, Zeller, Carey Jr

Graham, Jrue, Middleton, Giannis, Zeller
Augustin, Connaughton, Craig, Portis, Carey Jr

We're probably sending the 3 most valueable players out here imo. Moving Lopez for the sake of moving Lopez seems like a bad idea.

Devonte Graham is the best player in the package. Zeller is 4th, Carey 6th

[FrieAaron]

I don't think we should move Jrue because while he obviously has to get situated here, he is in the end the best player we have ever paired Giannis with and I do think how teams treat players matters, especially some of the better players in the league. If we turn around and flip Jrue within a year of getting him, unless we have some word from him that he's not interested in re-signing or something, that could affect how other players we might target in the future view the organization.

[skones]

I don't agree that Holiday is a top 25 player. Having maneuverable space also gives us trade options, particularly if we were to couple that space with outgoing salary like Lopez.

Yeah, he's a top 25 player or right there. Partnow, who I have a lot of respect for as an analyst, had him in the 17-24 ranking tier, and that's about right.

We really don't have that many trade options. No picks available to trade, without Jrue under contract you are looking at Middleton/Lopez, who you don't really move unless you upgrade them, which won't be easy. There is no PG in the next class worth signing over Holiday.

Lets face it, this is our big 3 for at least the next few years. Maybe we move Brook in a two for one or something, but we don't have a lot of maneuverability and the FA class is not intriguing at all.

There's a top 25 player thread going on on the GB now. I think Jrue is unequivocally in the top 35. I think top 25 is too high.

As it stands on the GB:

1)LeBron James (LAL) - 53%
2)Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) - 47%
3)Luka Doncic (DAL) - 37%
4)Kawhi Leonard (LAC) - 34%
5)Anthony Davis (LAL) - 35%
6)James Harden (HOU) - 39%
7)Steph Curry (GSW) - 33%
8)Nikola Jokic (DEN) - 42%
9)Kevin Durant (BKN) - 46%
10)Damian Lillard (POR) - 38%
11)Jimmy Butler (MIA) - 57%
12)Jayson Tatum (BOS) - 41%
13)Joel Embiid (PHI) - 59%
14)Devin Booker (PHX) - 22%
15)Chris Paul (PHX) - 24%
16)Paul George (LAC) - 21%
17)Bradley Beal (WAS) - 22%
18)Donovan Mitchell (UTA) - 22%
19)Ben Simmons (PHI) - 26%
20)Kyle Lowry (TOR) - 28%

with guys like Adebayo, Irving, Middleton, Murray, Porzingis, Zion, Siakam, KAT, Westbrook, Young etc. still on the board. Given some of those names and possible jumps by other younger guys, I just don't see top 25.

[LuessiT]

Lopez, Wilson, DDV for Graham, Zeller, Carey Jr

Graham, Jrue, Middleton, Giannis, Zeller
Augustin, Connaughton, Craig, Portis, Carey Jr

We're probably sending the 3 most valueable players out here imo. Moving Lopez for the sake of moving Lopez seems like a bad idea.

Devonte Graham is the best player in the package. Zeller is 4th, Carey 6th

Oh I for some reason thought of Treveon Graham. My bad. Wrong Graham. I mean that can happen... Right? Like the wrong Brook...

[tedbrogen]

Now that Giannis is locked in, if they do extend Jrue in February, how does that affect next off-season? Do they still have to deal with going over a salary apron or is that only a thing for this season because they used the full MLE? Would they have the ability to re-sign players via Bird rights even if they are already in the tax? (on the off chance that Wilson or Portis have breakout seasons).

If they didn't extend Jrue, would they have the ability to sign another max or near max player?

I know they can always trade players to match salaries but reading that Giannis article, I really think they are keeping Brook around. He seems to be part of the crew that talked Giannis into signing, he is a nice fit for the regular season, and if they were smart they would start going zone at times with him in the lane and the longer players covering everything else. A zone with Jrue/Craig/Middleton/Giannis/Brook could be insane if they actually practiced it.

[LuessiT]

Now that Giannis is locked in, if they do extend Jrue in February, how does that affect next off-season? Do they still have to deal with going over a salary apron or is that only a thing for this season because they used the full MLE? Would they have the ability to re-sign players via Bird rights even if they are already in the tax? (on the off chance that Wilson or Portis have breakout seasons).

If they didn't extend Jrue, would they have the ability to sign another max or near max player?

I know they can always trade players to match salaries but reading that Giannis article, I really think they are keeping Brook around. He seems to be part of the crew that talked Giannis into signing, he is a nice fit for the regular season, and if they were smart they would start going zone at times with him in the lane and the longer players covering everything else. A zone with Jrue/Craig/Middleton/Giannis/Brook could be insane if they actually practiced it.

The hard cap doesn't apply unless we'd use the MLE, the BAE or participate in a S&T. So yes, technically we could pay Portis (only 120% of his previous deal) or Wilson (up to a 25% max) and we'd have access to the tax payer MLE.

No, even without Jrue we wouldn't have space for a max or near max player.

[tedbrogen]

I don't agree that Holiday is a top 25 player. Having maneuverable space also gives us trade options, particularly if we were to couple that space with outgoing salary like Lopez.

Yeah, he's a top 25 player or right there. Partnow, who I have a lot of respect for as an analyst, had him in the 17-24 ranking tier, and that's about right.

We really don't have that many trade options. No picks available to trade, without Jrue under contract you are looking at Middleton/Lopez, who you don't really move unless you upgrade them, which won't be easy. There is no PG in the next class worth signing over Holiday.

Lets face it, this is our big 3 for at least the next few years. Maybe we move Brook in a two for one or something, but we don't have a lot of maneuverability and the FA class is not intriguing at all.

There's a top 25 player thread going on on the GB now. I think Jrue is unequivocally in the top 35. I think top 25 is too high.

As it stands on the GB:

1)LeBron James (LAL) - 53%
2)Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) - 47%
3)Luka Doncic (DAL) - 37%
4)Kawhi Leonard (LAC) - 34%
5)Anthony Davis (LAL) - 35%
6)James Harden (HOU) - 39%
7)Steph Curry (GSW) - 33%
8)Nikola Jokic (DEN) - 42%
9)Kevin Durant (BKN) - 46%
10)Damian Lillard (POR) - 38%
11)Jimmy Butler (MIA) - 57%
12)Jayson Tatum (BOS) - 41%
13)Joel Embiid (PHI) - 59%
14)Devin Booker (PHX) - 22%
15)Chris Paul (PHX) - 24%
16)Paul George (LAC) - 21%
17)Bradley Beal (WAS) - 22%
18)Donovan Mitchell (UTA) - 22%
19)Ben Simmons (PHI) - 26%
20)Kyle Lowry (TOR) - 28%

with guys like Adebayo, Lowry, Irving, Middleton, Murray, Porzingis, Zion, Siakam, KAT, Westbrook, Young etc. still on the board. Given some of those names and possible jumps by other younger guys, I just don't see top 25.

A few guys on that list are only top 25 when they have the ball in their hands (Booker, Beal, Mitchell, Irving, KAT, Westbrook, Young) and their overall impact is not legit top 25 when accounting for the fact they give some to a lot of it back on defense. I'd much rather have Jrue's two way impact over most of those type of players. Especially when pairing him with a couple ball dominant guys in Giannis and Middleton. (Not at all saying Jrue is a better asset than anyone listed, but he appears to me to be a better fit than almost anyone who isn't in the top 15 of that list)

Also, you listed Lowry in the top 20 and in the still on the board category. He's good but he's not two spots in the top 25 good.

[coolhandluke121]

Do not extend Jrue, play out the season, see where it goes, and visit his possible free agency next offseason. With some maneuvering, we could have some legitimate free agency options.

Better than Holiday? He's a top 25 player and this FA class is not very strong.

I think they have nearly $120m in committed salary next season if they pick up DDV's option. No realistic amount of maneuvering is likely to give them a chance to do better in free agency than just using Bird Rights to keep a top-25 player. Renounce his cap hold and you still hardly have any cap space. The real question is whether he's going to demand the full max and whether the Bucks will pay him that right away or wait until summer to see how it plays out.