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LuessiT · Post #1141 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:02 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:It will be interesting to see if there are any roster tweaks before the opener.

Don't think anything happens. We need to shed salary to make a move so it really would have to be two moves.

thonnisbeastley · Post #1142 » by **thonnisbeastley** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 6:52 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
thonnisbeastley wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:the board has generaIIy made cIear that good shooters are consistentIy good shooters.... Iike they dont ever want guys to shoot under Ieague average for a month or something because thats inconsistent bad shooting. see guys Iike beaI and booker dont ever have months Iike that..... weII actuaIIy they do but they pIay for other teams and we dont watch them every night so you can cIaim they are good consistent shooters to make a point about what we dont have enough of. i know its confusing but this is how it works

I like how everyone of your comments lately has randomly included jabs at both Beal and Booker. Never seen someone get so upset about Middleton comparisons.

considering moving middIeton.... to "improve the team" for a true baIIer/shooter Iike beaI and booker even guys Ike bojan.....is the most common grand idea on the board.... am i not abIe to mock my utter disdain of of what i beIieve to be these horribIe ideas constantIy in return? ive been pretty consistent advocating keeping ddv instead of Iesser chuckers as weII. if consistentcy is your thing then im your man

No one was considering trading Middleton during that conversation, we were comparing value in trade scenarios. Saying Midds is closer to the value of Booker/Beal than Tatum/Butler. That was it. I wouldn't trade Midds for Beal or Booker, he fits our roster better than those two. But let it go already lol..

emunney · Post #1143 » by **emunney** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:06 pm

DJ for Vanderbilt and Nowell.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #1144 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:10 pm

thonnisbeastley wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
thonnisbeastley wrote:I like how everyone of your comments lately has randomly included jabs at both Beal and Booker. Never seen someone get so upset about Middleton comparisons.

considering moving middIeton.... to "improve the team" for a true baIIer/shooter Iike beaI and booker even guys Ike bojan.....is the most common grand idea on the board.... am i not abIe to mock my utter disdain of of what i beIieve to be these horribIe ideas constantIy in return? ive been pretty consistent advocating keeping ddv instead of Iesser chuckers as weII. if consistentcy is your thing then im your man

No one was considering trading Middleton during that conversation, we were comparing value in trade scenarios. Saying Midds is closer to the value of Booker/Beal than Tatum/Butler. That was it. I wouldn't trade Midds for Beal or Booker, he fits our roster better than those two. But let it go already lol..

there is not any scenario whatsoever where either of those two guys come in where it wouIdnt be midIeton and middIeton aIone going out. you cant bring their names up without that obvious assumption. the comparison of those two both specificaIIy and as "a type" being an improvement over our current #2 is discussed so frequentIy its become nauseating to me

DingleJerry · Post #1145 » by **DingleJerry** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:54 pm

I don't know. I'm consistently on the Middleton side here with how much a faction bashes him too much. But I'd trade him straight up for Booker without thinking twice, don't forget Booker's age lines up right with Giannis. Beal, I probably do it but I really don't know, I'd have to think deeper. Generally speaking this isn't out of me bashing Middleton, it's that i think Booker/Beal are better than most are giving credit. I know Middleton is better at D than both but I'm purely looking for that go to scorer for the playoffs skillset which has killed us the last two years. With how good Giannis is at D you should be able to cover them up. But come playoffs you now have the lead O guy that we've been asking for and the Kobe/Wade skillset to go with Shaq. My theme the whole offseason has been willing to sacrifice D for scoring/shooting.

I have a feeling the people who've been picking on Booker (as if it's his fault his team and management has sucked) the last few years are going to look pretty foolish over the next few years. Which kind of started last year already.

skones · Post #1146 » by **skones** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:07 pm

This is the roster we're riding into the season with.

thonnisbeastley · Post #1147 » by **thonnisbeastley** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:15 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
thonnisbeastley wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:considering moving middIeton.... to "improve the team" for a true baIIer/shooter Iike beaI and booker even guys Ike bojan.....is the most common grand idea on the board.... am i not abIe to mock my utter disdain of of what i beIieve to be these horribIe ideas constantIy in return? ive been pretty consistent advocating keeping ddv instead of Iesser chuckers as weII. if consistentcy is your thing then im your man

No one was considering trading Middleton during that conversation, we were comparing value in trade scenarios. Saying Midds is closer to the value of Booker/Beal than Tatum/Butler. That was it. I wouldn't trade Midds for Beal or Booker, he fits our roster better than those two. But let it go already lol..

there is not any scenario whatsoever where either of those two guys come in where it wouIdnt be midIeton and middIeton aIone going out. you cant bring their names up without that obvious assumption. the comparison of those two both specificaIIy and as "a type" being an improvement over our current #2 is discussed so frequentIy its become nauseating to me

Stop stressing yourself out about it. It was a value discussion. Clearly that move won't happen. Phoenix isn't giving up Booker and Washington refused to listen to offers for Beal in the offseason.

bucksbrewers3 · Post #1148 » by **bucksbrewers3** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:23 pm

The bench needs a big man. Portis cannot be the only guy. The bench unit is going to get destroyed in the rebounding aspect of it.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1149 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:35 pm

emunney wrote:DJ for Vanderbilt and Nowell.

Nowell is interesting, he had a really good preseason, but Vanderbilt still hasn't shown any signs of development. Wilson just finished the preseason with a PER of 24, at a position of desperate need. I think we hold on to him, and he gets his shot.

SKG · Post #1150 » by **SKG** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:00 am

They are trading khris next season for kawhi, sign and trade

buckboy · Post #1151 » by **buckboy** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:07 am

emunney wrote:DJ for Vanderbilt and Nowell.

I'm not even certain who those guys are, but I'm in.

ShootingtheJ · Post #1152 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:24 am

SKG wrote:They are trading khris next season for kawhi, sign and trade

I understand you're joking, but before this becomes a thing, a sign and trade activates the hard cap, and we're projected to be over that mark next year.

DavidDunn21 · Post #1153 » by **DavidDunn21** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:01 am

Devin Booker had his back against the wall coming into the bubble and unleashed such a legendary stretch (IN THE SERVICE OF WINNING, 8-0, big shots against great teams, 31/6/5, 63%TS) that made people actually wonder if he's a #1. At any rate, now we can't move Khris for Booker. Everyone knows Booker is better than Khris now. The trick would've been making that move in advance.

A lot of you guys love to talk about what you perceive things to be in this precise moment with no eye at all to the future. You were so sure that Khris was slightly better than a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year players. Even though Bucks fans should know more than anyone else what Middleton is. Maybe we can still sell high on him.

Badgerlander · Post #1154 » by **Badgerlander** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:07 am

emunney wrote:DJ for Vanderbilt and Nowell.

There has to be a DJ+ for PJ Tucker trade out there

LuessiT · Post #1155 » by **LuessiT** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:08 am

Badgerlander wrote:
emunney wrote:DJ for Vanderbilt and Nowell.

There has to be a DJ+ for PJ Tucker trade out there

Has to include Pat.

emunney · Post #1156 » by **emunney** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:17 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
emunney wrote:DJ for Vanderbilt and Nowell.

Nowell is interesting, he had a really good preseason, but Vanderbilt still hasn't shown any signs of development. Wilson just finished the preseason with a PER of 24, at a position of desperate need. I think we hold on to him, and he gets his shot.

Nowell's been a target of mine, was a top 5 G Leaguer last year despite being one of the youngest guys in the league. He's now fully buried in Minnesota and trading DJ for him would be like stealing a lottery pick.

ETA: Vanderbilt we could either keep to take a look at or cut and sign a FA big like Vonleh or Diallo or whomever.

giannis and 1 · Post #1157 » by **giannis and 1** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:55 am

thonnisbeastley wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
thonnisbeastley wrote:I like how everyone of your comments lately has randomly included jabs at both Beal and Booker. Never seen someone get so upset about Middleton comparisons.

considering moving middIeton.... to "improve the team" for a true baIIer/shooter Iike beaI and booker even guys Ike bojan.....is the most common grand idea on the board.... am i not abIe to mock my utter disdain of of what i beIieve to be these horribIe ideas constantIy in return? ive been pretty consistent advocating keeping ddv instead of Iesser chuckers as weII. if consistentcy is your thing then im your man

No one was considering trading Middleton during that conversation, we were comparing value in trade scenarios. Saying Midds is closer to the value of Booker/Beal than Tatum/Butler. That was it. I wouldn't trade Midds for Beal or Booker, he fits our roster better than those two. But let it go already lol..

Umm yeah.. love Middleton. But I would trade him for Booker and drive him to Arizona myself.

Edit: Just to clarify, I would drive from Vancouver to Milwaukee, pick up Middleton and drop him off at Phoenix, pick up Booker and drop him off at Milwaukee, then drive back to Vancouver.

giannis and 1 · Post #1158 » by **giannis and 1** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:05 am

emunney wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
emunney wrote:DJ for Vanderbilt and Nowell.

Nowell is interesting, he had a really good preseason, but Vanderbilt still hasn't shown any signs of development. Wilson just finished the preseason with a PER of 24, at a position of desperate need. I think we hold on to him, and he gets his shot.

Nowell's been a target of mine, was a top 5 G Leaguer last year despite being one of the youngest guys in the league. He's now fully buried in Minnesota and trading DJ for him would be like stealing a lottery pick.

ETA: Vanderbilt we could either keep to take a look at or cut and sign a FA big like Vonleh or Diallo or whomever.

Can Nowell shoot the 3

giannis and 1 · Post #1159 » by **giannis and 1** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:07 am

DavidDunn21 wrote:Devin Booker had his back against the wall coming into the bubble and unleashed such a legendary stretch (IN THE SERVICE OF WINNING, 8-0, big shots against great teams, 31/6/5, 63%TS) that made people actually wonder if he's a #1. At any rate, now we can't move Khris for Booker. Everyone knows Booker is better than Khris now. The trick would've been making that move in advance.

A lot of you guys love to talk about what you perceive things to be in this precise moment with no eye at all to the future. You were so sure that Khris was slightly better than a bunch of 2nd and 3rd year players. Even though Bucks fans should know more than anyone else what Middleton is. Maybe we can still sell high on him.

There was no chance Phoenix would trade Booker for Middleton even before the bubble. Are you under the impression that Booker was just some okayish player before the bubble or something?

emunney · Post #1160 » by **emunney** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:11 am

giannis and 1 wrote:
emunney wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:

Nowell is interesting, he had a really good preseason, but Vanderbilt still hasn't shown any signs of development. Wilson just finished the preseason with a PER of 24, at a position of desperate need. I think we hold on to him, and he gets his shot.

Nowell's been a target of mine, was a top 5 G Leaguer last year despite being one of the youngest guys in the league. He's now fully buried in Minnesota and trading DJ for him would be like stealing a lottery pick.

ETA: Vanderbilt we could either keep to take a look at or cut and sign a FA big like Vonleh or Diallo or whomever.

Can Nowell shoot the 3

Hasn't in the NBA so far, but shot 40% in college and 44% in the G League last year.