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dc · Post #661 » by dc » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:28 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Wiseman -18

Brook Lopez +14

Oh man, I love how you guys are trippin over one game.

Wiseman wasn't the one going 1-10 or 6-18 FG like a couple of his teammates. He was his team's best player.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #662 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:29 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Wiseman -18

Brook Lopez +14

Oh man, I love how you guys are trippin over one game.

Wiseman was easily the 2nd best player on the Warriors if you watched the game. Going by +/- we better trade RJ for TJ McConnell, or Mitch for Myles Turner.

Post #663 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:31 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Both. I remember Begley saying the Knicks had to give up Mitch to make it happen.

If it was on the table straight up it's a decent deal. I still like a Hayes move up more where we keep Mitch but that likely wasn't on the table.

That’s fair. I liked Hayes too but I had Wiseman on like 5 tiers ahead of him lol. Quickley might be better than Hayes though

Quick looks nice. That would be an absolute blessing. I've only watched his Knicks highlights still so looking forward to him coming back.

Early in the year I liked Ant-man better at 1 but he kinda fell off in interest for me.

Post #664 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:31 pm

Well, Durant's still good.

HarthorneWingo · Post #665 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:32 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Wiseman -18

Brook Lopez +14

Oh man, I love how you guys are trippin over one game.

Wiseman was easily the 2nd best player on the Warriors if you watched the game. Going by +/- we better trade RJ for TJ McConnell, or Mitch for Myles Turner.

Did Wiseman make any of his teammates better? No. Just stat packing.

Worst_to_First · Post #666 » by **Worst_to_First** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:33 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Wiseman is going to be a 20-25ppg scorer in a few years, but hey, why trade Mitch and the 8 for that

I would have done that rumored Mitch and 8 for Wiseman and Wiggins deal easily. Wiseman was well worth it.

HarthorneWingo · Post #667 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:34 pm

dc wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Wiseman -18

Brook Lopez +14

Oh man, I love how you guys are trippin over one game.

Wiseman wasn't the one going 1-10 or 6-18 FG like a couple of his teammates. He was his team's best player.

You're right, so claiming he was the team's 2nd best player really ins't saying very much.

Oscirus · Post #668 » by **Oscirus** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:35 pm

robillionaire wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

Read on Twitter

2 guaranteed top 10 picks.
Just wow

Looks like the GSW's get to tear the Knicks heart out twice by taking the good players just ahead of them in the first round.

Glad to see nothing ever changes for the Knicks, ever.

We could probably just tank if we want to prevent this. Fact is they earned their pick by tanking and the Knicks got what we deserved by chasing several meaningless wins, as always

Warriors didnt tank, they legit sucked last year.

Post #669 » by **K_ick_God** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:35 pm

This is fairly terrible basketball.

Iron Mantis · Post #670 » by **Iron Mantis** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:36 pm

No team in the NBA I dislike more than the Nets.

3toheadmelo · Post #671 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:36 pm

Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
If it was on the table straight up it's a decent deal. I still like a Hayes move up more where we keep Mitch but that likely wasn't on the table.

That’s fair. I liked Hayes too but I had Wiseman on like 5 tiers ahead of him lol. Quickley might be better than Hayes though

Quick looks nice. That would be an absolute blessing. I've only watched his Knicks highlights still so looking forward to him coming back.

Early in the year I liked Ant-man better at 1 but he kinda fell off in interest for me.

I still like Edwards even though he might not be the brightest lol. He seems like a good kid. I hope he figures it out

Worst_to_First · Post #672 » by **Worst_to_First** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:37 pm

HEZI wrote:Wiseman so much more skilled than Mitch it's not even close

Mitch is not even in the same stratosphere as Wiseman. I was shocked it was even a debate here.

Chanel Bomber · Post #673 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:38 pm

HEZI wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Just want to mention that Sabonis is one of the worst match-ups for Mitch. He's the fake-master (one of Mitch's biggest weaknesses), and a post-up big which prevents Mitch from using his ability to defend in space.

Philly presents a similar challenge, and Mitch has to show up for those individual match-ups as well, but I think he will remind us how good he can be defensively against other teams.

Drummond, Sabonis, Embiid, Jokic, and the list goes on, so basically any center with offensive skills gives Mitch trouble but he will look a lot better against rim runner like himself who are limited offensively

The list isn't that long though. There are like 5 potent post-up bigs in the NBA.

NoDopeOnSundays · Post #674 » by **NoDopeOnSundays** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:38 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Wiseman -18

Brook Lopez +14

Oh man, I love how you guys are trippin over one game.

Wiseman was easily the 2nd best player on the Warriors if you watched the game. Going by +/- we better trade RJ for TJ McConnell, or Mitch for Myles Turner.

Did Wiseman make any of his teammates better? No. Just stat packing.

Make his teammates better? What is this 2004? You can't make anyone better than they are.

LeBron missed the playoffs last year, is he incapable of "making his teammates better" or were his teammates just not good? Holding a rookie big to the standard of winning in his 2nd game is crazy.

3toheadmelo · Post #675 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:39 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:No team in the NBA I dislike more than the Nets.

I feel dirty rooting for Boston :lol:

**** Brooklyn

robillionaire · Post #676 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:40 pm

Oscirus wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Looks like the GSW's get to tear the Knicks heart out twice by taking the good players just ahead of them in the first round.

Glad to see nothing ever changes for the Knicks, ever.

We could probably just tank if we want to prevent this. Fact is they earned their pick by tanking and the Knicks got what we deserved by chasing several meaningless wins, as always

Warriors didnt tank, they legit sucked last year.

Normally I’d contest this by pointing out how they deliberately held out steph and Draymond longer than they had to for exaggerated injuries but since they now have steph and are still getting blown out every game maybe you’re right

Chanel Bomber · Post #677 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:41 pm

Capn'O wrote:Well, Durant's still good.

Durant with 80% of his athleticism is still something like Dirk Nowitzki with a bionic heart.

Richard4444 · Post #678 » by **Richard4444** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:46 pm

I was against trading Deni/Haliburton/Kira + Mitch for Wiseman.

Its a question of putting all your eggs in one basket. And at the time, we didnt know if Wiseman could be a good 3pt shooter in NBA.

I would have traded Mitch + scrubs (Frank, Knox, Dennis) + 2RP for Wiseman.

Now I would trade Obi + Mitch for Wiseman.

HEZI · Post #679 » by **HEZI** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:46 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
HEZI wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:Just want to mention that Sabonis is one of the worst match-ups for Mitch. He's the fake-master (one of Mitch's biggest weaknesses), and a post-up big which prevents Mitch from using his ability to defend in space.

Philly presents a similar challenge, and Mitch has to show up for those individual match-ups as well, but I think he will remind us how good he can be defensively against other teams.

Drummond, Sabonis, Embiid, Jokic, and the list goes on, so basically any center with offensive skills gives Mitch trouble but he will look a lot better against rim runner like himself who are limited offensively

The list isn't that long though. There are like 5 potent post-up bigs in the NBA.

You don't need to be a potent low post scorer to give Mitch trouble, you just have to be skilled enough to be able to do more with the ball than catch lobs

HarthorneWingo · Post #680 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Fri Dec 25, 2020 10:48 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:

Wiseman was easily the 2nd best player on the Warriors if you watched the game. Going by +/- we better trade RJ for TJ McConnell, or Mitch for Myles Turner.

Did Wiseman make any of his teammates better? No. Just stat packing.

Make his teammates better? What is this 2004? You can't make anyone better than they are.

LeBron missed the playoffs last year, is he incapable of "making his teammates better" or were his teammates just not good? Holding a rookie big to the standard of winning in his 2nd game is crazy.

Someone has to post something to calm you all down. :lol: