Post Game Thoughts. Trailblazers

[Foye]

Just fire Ryan Saunders when the team plane gets home tonight. Enough is enough, he can’t even get the basics of basketball right.

Anthony Edwards should be starting already and he hasn’t. He’s the number 1 pick and has shown he can handle it. Move Malik Beasley to the 6th man spark plug like Lou Williams/Jamal Crawford role.

Jarred Vanderbilt deserves more minutes but the Wolves have him playing center when he’s giving up 40-50lbs a night to the opposing center. He should be playing power forward and been matched up vs Carmelo or Derrick Jones but he was getting killed by Kanter and Nurkic. Just basic matchups are wrong every night giving us a huge disadvantage.

Wolves have a 6 game losing streak adding to Ryan Saunders pathetic 3 year coaching record of 38-76.

I agree with most. Firing the coach this early in the season howver seems faulty though. You are quitting on the season this early doing so and I just don't know that this is a good idea. The idea that someone internal is going to change things sliding up a role only works if they have completely different ideas of what should be happening in games. Since we can't know this only Rosas can make that determination and really, if he knows this already somehow it means Ryan didn't have the back of his assistants helping him.

The problem seems philosophic. Finding that Vando is a player, yet using him in the wrong spot. Asking him to play up so much against 5s. Very similar to asking a 6'4 Okogie to play PF against 6'7 to 6-'10 guys in this league. We can't repeat this enough, HOUSTON FAILED AT THIS ALREADY.

When Jim Petersen and Kevin Lynch is saying during the game and post game that the Wolves have no chance because we play so small and our basic matchups are so bad, why can’t anyone else on the team see it and correct it?

Instead we double down on the mistake. Like in the 4th quarter tonight, play Naz and Vandy together to see what it looks like but we never did. Saunders is clueless and needs to go.

Elevate Vanterpool and see what he has. If he can’t do it then get rid of the entire coaching staff. Need to see if we can salvage it or need to clean house.

I don't know why this organization is so in love with small ball to begin with.
You are doing the same thing everyone else does just with a worse group of guys and coaching staff. It can't work.

I mean you are playing Ed Davis and Juancho as your starters?
Both of them are like:
6'9'' 215 lb

against
Nurkic
7'0'' 290 lb
Kanter
6'10 250 lb

Nurkic and Kanter combined for 27 points on 13 of 15 shooting with low usage.
Probably the easiest game of their careers.

How the hell does Reid get only 16 minutes against these bulldozers?

What the hell is this?

Size and weight is such a **** huge advantage in basketball.
I have never played organized basketball in my life before. Yet when it comes down to a 1 vs. 1 even against guys who have played on a competitive higher level I will beat literally anyone that is smaller and/or skinnier than me. The size and weight is that much of an advantage.
What do the Wolves do?
Juancho and Davis to stop Kanter and Nurkic. LOL!
Obviously, there is a point where size goes to your disadvantage as well because you are not mobile enough anymore (e.g. Boban) but that's not such much the case for Reid.

The sad part is...you don't even have to watch the actual games to make this conclusion. Just opening the box score is enough to see the flaws in the Wolves game plan.

[Folklore]

I agree with most. Firing the coach this early in the season howver seems faulty though. You are quitting on the season this early doing so and I just don't know that this is a good idea. The idea that someone internal is going to change things sliding up a role only works if they have completely different ideas of what should be happening in games. Since we can't know this only Rosas can make that determination and really, if he knows this already somehow it means Ryan didn't have the back of his assistants helping him.

The problem seems philosophic. Finding that Vando is a player, yet using him in the wrong spot. Asking him to play up so much against 5s. Very similar to asking a 6'4 Okogie to play PF against 6'7 to 6-'10 guys in this league. We can't repeat this enough, HOUSTON FAILED AT THIS ALREADY.

When Jim Petersen and Kevin Lynch is saying during the game and post game that the Wolves have no chance because we play so small and our basic matchups are so bad, why can’t anyone else on the team see it and correct it?

Instead we double down on the mistake. Like in the 4th quarter tonight, play Naz and Vandy together to see what it looks like but we never did. Saunders is clueless and needs to go.

Elevate Vanterpool and see what he has. If he can’t do it then get rid of the entire coaching staff. Need to see if we can salvage it or need to clean house.

I don't know why this organization is so in love with small ball to begin with.
You are doing the same thing everyone else does just with a worse group of guys and coaching staff. It can't work.

I mean you are playing Ed Davis and Juancho as your starters?
Both of them are like:
6'9'' 215 lb

against
Nurkic
7'0'' 290 lb
Kanter
6'10 250 lb

Nurkic and Kanter combined for 27 points on 13 of 15 shooting with low usage.
Probably the easiest game of their careers.

How the hell does Reid get only 16 minutes against these bulldozers?

What the hell is this?

Size and weight is such a **** huge advantage in basketball.
I have never played organized basketball in my life before. Yet when it comes down to a 1 vs. 1 even against guys who have played on a competitive higher level I will beat literally anyone that is smaller and/or skinnier than me. The size and weight is that much of an advantage.
What do the Wolves do?
Juancho and Davis to stop Kanter and Nurkic. LOL!
Obviously, there is a point where size goes to your disadvantage as well because you are not mobile enough anymore (e.g. Boban) but that's not such much the case for Reid.

The sad part is...you don't even have to watch the actual games to make this conclusion. Just opening the box score is enough to see the flaws in the Wolves game plan.

It really is that simple. outside of the Xs and Os its really that simple to improve the team.

[Folklore]

Just look at this on youtube. Its not work safe but it explains how most of us feel.
Glengarry Glen Ross (9/10) Movie CLIP

Ryan's wife should just tell him to stay home for her and his kid. Its not worth it, he tried but now he's just ruining his legacy.I'm not going to drive a car my father left me that's a manual when I have no idea how to drive one.Ryan is riding the hell out of the clutch and has already ruined the transmission but continues to drive it. Jeff Van Gundy should have taken his keys already. "Ryan that's enough son...that's enough, you did good. Now let me see what I can do with this mess you and that Rockets guy made".

[Foye]

When Jim Petersen and Kevin Lynch is saying during the game and post game that the Wolves have no chance because we play so small and our basic matchups are so bad, why can’t anyone else on the team see it and correct it?

Instead we double down on the mistake. Like in the 4th quarter tonight, play Naz and Vandy together to see what it looks like but we never did. Saunders is clueless and needs to go.

Elevate Vanterpool and see what he has. If he can’t do it then get rid of the entire coaching staff. Need to see if we can salvage it or need to clean house.

I don't know why this organization is so in love with small ball to begin with.
You are doing the same thing everyone else does just with a worse group of guys and coaching staff. It can't work.

I mean you are playing Ed Davis and Juancho as your starters?
Both of them are like:
6'9'' 215 lb

against
Nurkic
7'0'' 290 lb
Kanter
6'10 250 lb

Nurkic and Kanter combined for 27 points on 13 of 15 shooting with low usage.
Probably the easiest game of their careers.

How the hell does Reid get only 16 minutes against these bulldozers?

What the hell is this?

Size and weight is such a **** huge advantage in basketball.
I have never played organized basketball in my life before. Yet when it comes down to a 1 vs. 1 even against guys who have played on a competitive higher level I will beat literally anyone that is smaller and/or skinnier than me. The size and weight is that much of an advantage.
What do the Wolves do?
Juancho and Davis to stop Kanter and Nurkic. LOL!
Obviously, there is a point where size goes to your disadvantage as well because you are not mobile enough anymore (e.g. Boban) but that's not such much the case for Reid.

The sad part is...you don't even have to watch the actual games to make this conclusion. Just opening the box score is enough to see the flaws in the Wolves game plan.

It really is that simple. outside of the Xs and Os its really that simple to improve the team.

They would probably still lose - because the team is very far away from actually competing without KAT - but it blows my mind that even these - I would argue most simple basics of basketball 1x1 - are not followed by this organization.

I mean you can go through the list of greatest players of all-time
Jordan
LeBron
Kareem
Duncan
Kobe
Magic
Shaq
almost anyone of those is bigger and/or stronger than the opponents at their position.

I have absolutely no idea why you would force yourself into Ed Davis and Juancho as your starters.
It freaking makes no sense at all.

They could sign Darko Milicic right out of his apple farms...even he would be a better starting C than Ed Davis.

[Charly]

"Hi, I'm Ricky Rubio and my forte is setting up teammates getting them going". Saunders: "Hey Ricky, we don't need any of that. Our players set themselves up. I just hate when they pass the ball. Sit on the bench and when I call your name go and park yourself in a corner, thank you. Anybody, remind me why Gerson got this guy?"

"Hi, we're Josh Okogie, Jarret Culver, and Anthony Edwards. We are guards. We're worried because we believe there might be too many guards in our roster, don't you think? Saunders: "Don't make me laugh. Watch yourselves: you're bigger than you think. In fact, every time I look at you I see you grow. Folks! check out our brand new PFs!"

"Hi, I'm Jake Layman, I'm a backup SF with a decent 3 point shot". Saunders: "Hello, Jake, nice to meet you. You're going to start at PF. Don't worry, you'll stop those huge NBA PF's with your speed."

"Hi, I'm Jarred Vanderbilt, I'm a high-energy, 214 lbs PF." Saunders: "Nice to meet you, Jarred. Look, we don't need PFs, we're loaded at the position. Too much talent with Juancho, Layman, Edwards, Culver, and Okogie. Sit on the bench and if we need you, we're going to have to play you at Center. Don't worry, guys like Enes Kanter look big but they're just fat. You'll dominate them."

"Hi, I'm Jaden McDaniels, a first round selection, a skinny PF with a 7-foot wingspan, who can protect the rim, alter shots and get in the passing lanes on defense, and make 3s on offense." Saunders: "Look Jaden, we don't need a PF who plays defense. Playing defense automatically disqualifies you to play the position. Remember RHJ? Exactly. Again, we've got so much talent at PF and you are so skinny!! There is one thing I can't stand, and that's getting manhandled by the opposition, see? Please, sit on the bench. I'll let you play when we're down by 40, thanks."

"Hi, I'm Ed Davis and I thought I was done in the NBA. Am I going to play? Am I going to be an actual starter? Really?" Saunders: "Ed, you might think you're done, but we signed you because you've got so much coaching to do. Talk to the rookie, whisper sweet things to Culver. Believe me, it will do wonders".

I call for the best post of the year!
Its sad, but real.

[Worm Guts]

When Jim Petersen and Kevin Lynch is saying during the game and post game that the Wolves have no chance because we play so small and our basic matchups are so bad, why can’t anyone else on the team see it and correct it?

Instead we double down on the mistake. Like in the 4th quarter tonight, play Naz and Vandy together to see what it looks like but we never did. Saunders is clueless and needs to go.

Elevate Vanterpool and see what he has. If he can’t do it then get rid of the entire coaching staff. Need to see if we can salvage it or need to clean house.

I agree with what you are suggesting needs to happen with the roster/game. However why can't Rosas see it like Jim P/Lynch and everone else and just tell Ryan to fix that? Why does it have to be "throw Vanterpool in the role" and wait to see if he will? Are you saying that Rosas is already asking Ryan to try this and he just refuses?

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I think Frank Vogel explained it best.

To be a head coach in the NBA, either you played the game at a high level or do you have head coaching experience and know your stuff?

Ryan was never a head coach at any level and he was a terrible basketball player. He doesn’t know anything.

Vanterpool was at least a pro player and highly respected coach around the league. Every year in the GM’s poll, he’s listed as a top assistant coach. He’s gotten 3 head coaching interviews. Do you think Ryan would ever sniff a head coaching job not being the Wolves with his resume?

I don't think how good you are as a basketball player has anything to with how good you are as a coach. Ryan was in the NBA as a coach for a significant period before getting a head coaching job. Ryan is young though, and probably didn't have to prove himself the way others would to get an NBA job. He was definitely helped because of his name.

[UnFadeable21]

I agree with what you are suggesting needs to happen with the roster/game. However why can't Rosas see it like Jim P/Lynch and everone else and just tell Ryan to fix that? Why does it have to be "throw Vanterpool in the role" and wait to see if he will? Are you saying that Rosas is already asking Ryan to try this and he just refuses?

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I think Frank Vogel explained it best.

To be a head coach in the NBA, either you played the game at a high level or do you have head coaching experience and know your stuff?

Ryan was never a head coach at any level and he was a terrible basketball player. He doesn’t know anything.

Vanterpool was at least a pro player and highly respected coach around the league. Every year in the GM’s poll, he’s listed as a top assistant coach. He’s gotten 3 head coaching interviews. Do you think Ryan would ever sniff a head coaching job not being the Wolves with his resume?

I don't think how good you are as a basketball player has anything to with how good you are as a coach. Ryan was in the NBA as a coach for a significant period before getting a head coaching job. Ryan is young though, and probably didn't have to prove himself the way others would to get an NBA job. He was definitely helped because of his name.

Vogel’s point is either you play the game at a high level or know your stuff and have head coaching experience.

Guys like Jason Kidd and Steve Nash were high level players.

Guys like Erik Spolestra was a D-1 scholarship player and coached overseas before getting his shot with the Heat.

Guys like Brad Stevan’s coached in college. Nick Nurse was a head coach for 6 years in lower leagues before getting his shot

Ryan wasn’t a high level player at any level and was never a head coach at any level.

[Worm Guts]

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I think Frank Vogel explained it best.

To be a head coach in the NBA, either you played the game at a high level or do you have head coaching experience and know your stuff?

Ryan was never a head coach at any level and he was a terrible basketball player. He doesn’t know anything.

Vanterpool was at least a pro player and highly respected coach around the league. Every year in the GM’s poll, he’s listed as a top assistant coach. He’s gotten 3 head coaching interviews. Do you think Ryan would ever sniff a head coaching job not being the Wolves with his resume?

I don't think how good you are as a basketball player has anything to with how good you are as a coach. Ryan was in the NBA as a coach for a significant period before getting a head coaching job. Ryan is young though, and probably didn't have to prove himself the way others would to get an NBA job. He was definitely helped because of his name.

Vogel’s point is either you play the game at a high level or know your stuff and have head coaching experience.

Guys like Jason Kidd and Steve Nash were high level players.

Guys like Erik Spolestra was a D-1 scholarship player and coached overseas before getting his shot with the Heat.

Guys like Brad Stevan’s coached in college. Nick Nurse was a head coach for 6 years in lower leagues before getting his shot

Ryan wasn’t a high level player at any level and was never a head coach at any level.

I would disagree that being a high level player is worth much, other than it gets you an opportunity. Being experienced in the NBA is what's important.

[minimus]

Question 1: why RoCo has been playing so bad for POR?
Question 2: would you still trade RoCo for Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangomez, Jarred Vanderbilt, Brooklyn FRP?

[urinesane]

I think after this I need to tap out for a bit. Not worth the time currently, I'll check box scored until they start to pull out of this nosedive.

[PharmD]

I don't know why this organization is so in love with small ball to begin with.
You are doing the same thing everyone else does just with a worse group of guys and coaching staff. It can't work.

I mean you are playing Ed Davis and Juancho as your starters?
Both of them are like:
6'9'' 215 lb

against
Nurkic
7'0'' 290 lb
Kanter
6'10 250 lb

Nurkic and Kanter combined for 27 points on 13 of 15 shooting with low usage.
Probably the easiest game of their careers.

How the hell does Reid get only 16 minutes against these bulldozers?

What the hell is this?

Size and weight is such a **** huge advantage in basketball.
I have never played organized basketball in my life before. Yet when it comes down to a 1 vs. 1 even against guys who have played on a competitive higher level I will beat literally anyone that is smaller and/or skinnier than me. The size and weight is that much of an advantage.
What do the Wolves do?
Juancho and Davis to stop Kanter and Nurkic. LOL!
Obviously, there is a point where size goes to your disadvantage as well because you are not mobile enough anymore (e.g. Boban) but that's not such much the case for Reid.

The sad part is...you don't even have to watch the actual games to make this conclusion. Just opening the box score is enough to see the flaws in the Wolves game plan.

It really is that simple. outside of the Xs and Os its really that simple to improve the team.

They would probably still lose - because the team is very far away from actually competing without KAT - but it blows my mind that even these - I would argue most simple basics of basketball 1x1 - are not followed by this organization.

I mean you can go through the list of greatest players of all-time
Jordan
LeBron
Kareem
Duncan
Kobe
Magic
Shaq
almost anyone of those is bigger and/or stronger than the opponents at their position.

I have absolutely no idea why you would force yourself into Ed Davis and Juancho as your starters.
It freaking makes no sense at all.

They could sign Darko Milicic right out of his apple farms...even he would be a better starting C than Ed Davis.

I think DLo requested Ed Davis and Juancho as starters before the Denver game. And it's worked from his point of view; he's played much better.

[Rookie-Mistake]

Get Whiteside from Sac. They're not using him. Need interior D badly.

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[Killboard]

Get Whiteside from Sac. They're not using him. Need interior D badly.

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He is KAT buddy as well. Wouldn't hate the pick up, but not sure what the Kings would want. Also, the Wolves kept some space under the tax (I think is 3.5M) to give them flexibility in trades, they even traded a future 2nd to get out of Spellman and Evans contracts (and bring in Davis) instead of signing a FA , but if KAT season is in jeopardy moving forward better they punt on that.

[minimus]

Get Whiteside from Sac. They're not using him. Need interior D badly.

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