The Raptors Have Lost Toronto

[Ramed Nazored]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

You have no proof to substantiate your claim. You don't live here. You know nothing of the culture, conversations, and general sentiment that define the urban/exurban spaces of this city. You have one metric from a season that's hardly 10% complete. We're in the middle of a global pandemic, the raptors have been forced to play at the other end of the continent, they're struggling, we're not happy, and this is your contribution to the discussion. Claims that they've "lost the city", OUR city, not yours. This team means a lot to some of us, you know. They've been with us for the majority of our lives.

Your point was they have "lost" a city that adores them, of which you know nothing about. Then you cry victim, rather than just own your terrible take and concede that there are people on this board who know more about this than you. Worst of all, you implied we had "rich parents" because we were able to go to games growing up. It's called 500 level in the skydome, sprite zone in the ACC and haggling with scalpers in the freezing cold. Of course you have no idea what any of those things are, but "wealth" has nothing to do with them, I guarantee you that. I've worked with communities at the margins for a decade. I can tell you that the raptors have not "lost" any of those children, their families, or the support of those communities.

You're an outsider, a fraud, you're not a fan of this team, you don't care about them, you contribute nothing positive or insightful to the discussion. Nobody wants you on this forum.

So I have to ask,

Why are you here?

[Brinbe]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

You have no proof to substantiate your claim. You don't live here. You know nothing of the culture, conversations, and general sentiment that define the urban/exurban spaces of this city. You have one metric from a season that's hardly 10% complete. We're in the middle of a global pandemic, the raptors have been forced to play at the other end of the continent, they're struggling, we're not happy, and this is your contribution to the discussion. Claims that they've "lost the city", OUR city, not yours. This team means a lot to some of us, you know. They've been with us for the majority of our lives.

Your point was they have "lost" a city that adores them, of which you know nothing about. Then you cry victim, rather than just own your terrible take and concede that there are people on this board who know more about this than you. Worst of all, you implied we had "rich parents" because we were able to go to games growing up. It's called 500 level in the skydome, sprite zone in the ACC and haggling with scalpers in the freezing cold. Of course you have no idea what any of those things are, but "wealth" has nothing to do with them, I guarantee you that. I've worked with communities at the margins for a decade. I can tell you that the raptors have not "lost" any of those children, their families, or the support of those communities.

You're an outsider, a fraud, you're not a fan of this team, you don't care about them, you contribute nothing positive or insightful to the discussion. Nobody wants you on this forum.

So I have to ask,

Why are you here?

Omg. Fam, as a poor student basketball junkie, believe we were eating well from like 2003/4 till just after 2013/14. Buy the cheap sprite zones and sit wherever you want, sneak down etc.

The Raptors can never lose Toronto, because they are Toronto.

They maybe lost bandwagoners from outside the city, but that's not the title of the thread.

[Danny1616]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

Again, you fail to realize that your thread was about "TORONTO" and not "ONTARIO" or "CANADA AS A WHOLE."

Any area outside of the Greater Toronto Area, Leafs and Jays easily eclipse the Raptors, but that's not what your thread was about.

Will the Raptors lose Toronto? No, they never will. The Raptors are arguably the most popular sports team for millennials and minorities living in the GTA.

Are the Leafs and Jays way more popular than the Raptors in cities outside of the GTA and Ontario? Yeah, no ****. If you lived here you would know that.

"The Raptors are arguably the most popular sports team for millennials and minorities living in the GTA."

First, you just acknowledged it's arguable. Secondly, it's not just milennnials and visible minorities who live in the GTA and they certainly don't support the Raptors at a 100% rate.

You debunked your own argument.

I never said it was just millennials and minorities who live in the GTA. I also never said that they all support the Raptors at a 100% rate.

I said that among those groups, the Raptors are just as popular as the Leafs/Jays.

Going forward, the Raptors fan base will continue to increase.

[Ramed Nazored]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

You have no proof to substantiate your claim. You don't live here. You know nothing of the culture, conversations, and general sentiment that define the urban/exurban spaces of this city. You have one metric from a season that's hardly 10% complete. We're in the middle of a global pandemic, the raptors have been forced to play at the other end of the continent, they're struggling, we're not happy, and this is your contribution to the discussion. Claims that they've "lost the city", OUR city, not yours. This team means a lot to some of us, you know. They've been with us for the majority of our lives.

Your point was they have "lost" a city that adores them, of which you know nothing about. Then you cry victim, rather than just own your terrible take and concede that there are people on this board who know more about this than you. Worst of all, you implied we had "rich parents" because we were able to go to games growing up. It's called 500 level in the skydome, sprite zone in the ACC and haggling with scalpers in the freezing cold. Of course you have no idea what any of those things are, but "wealth" has nothing to do with them, I guarantee you that. I've worked with communities at the margins for a decade. I can tell you that the raptors have not "lost" any of those children, their families, or the support of those communities.

You're an outsider, a fraud, you're not a fan of this team, you don't care about them, you contribute nothing positive or insightful to the discussion. Nobody wants you on this forum.

So I have to ask,

Why are you here?

Omg. Fam, as a poor student basketball junkie, believe we were eating well from like 2003/4 till just after 2013/14. Buy the cheap sprite zones and sit wherever you want, sneak down etc.

The Raptors can never lose Toronto, because they are Toronto.

They maybe lost bandwagoners from outside the city, but that's not the title of the thread.

Preach brother, preach!

[Pooh_Jeter]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

So your argument would then be, The Raptors have lost Canada, not Toronto then.

Also what are the streaming numbers?? Merchandising?? TV contracts?? revenue (per game/s played)?? Exposure?? etc..

It's both. All of the Toronto teams are both national and local teams. It's extremely difficult to source specific regions for TV ratings and such and using national numbers is just a simpler and broader look.

Streaming numbers generally aren't released publically like TV ratings are. Merchandising numbers typically come from the league and you can only draw a smattering of conclusions based on specific teams. In terms of TV contracts there really isn't one for the Blue Jays given they are owned by Rogers and even with the Raptors it's dicey given Bell and TSN. I believe the Leafs have their cut from the national TV deal as well as local rights.

Exposure is difficult to quantify, it would mostly be anecdotal evidence. By the end of a leagues season generally you are able to parse together patchwork of their revenue streams and certainly their TV ratings on the whole.

[vini_vidi_vici]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

So your argument would then be, The Raptors have lost Canada, not Toronto then.

Also what are the streaming numbers?? Merchandising?? TV contracts?? revenue (per game/s played)?? Exposure?? etc..

It's both. All of the Toronto teams are both national and local teams. It's extremely difficult to source specific regions for TV ratings and such and using national numbers is just a simpler and broader look.

Streaming numbers generally aren't released publically like TV ratings are. Merchandising numbers typically come from the league and you can only draw a smattering of conclusions based on specific teams. In terms of TV contracts there really isn't one for the Blue Jays given they are owned by Rogers and even with the Raptors it's dicey given Bell and TSN. I believe the Leafs have their cut from the national TV deal as well as local rights.

Exposure is difficult to quantify, it would mostly be anecdotal evidence. By the end of a leagues season generally you are able to parse together patchwork of their revenue streams and certainly their TV ratings on the whole.

So you acknowledge your point is moot then. Thank you.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Again, you fail to realize that your thread was about "TORONTO" and not "ONTARIO" or "CANADA AS A WHOLE."

Any area outside of the Greater Toronto Area, Leafs and Jays easily eclipse the Raptors, but that's not what your thread was about.

Will the Raptors lose Toronto? No, they never will. The Raptors are arguably the most popular sports team for millennials and minorities living in the GTA.

Are the Leafs and Jays way more popular than the Raptors in cities outside of the GTA and Ontario? Yeah, no ****. If you lived here you would know that.

"The Raptors are arguably the most popular sports team for millennials and minorities living in the GTA."

First, you just acknowledged it's arguable. Secondly, it's not just milennnials and visible minorities who live in the GTA and they certainly don't support the Raptors at a 100% rate.

You debunked your own argument.

I never said it was just millennials and minorities who live in the GTA. I also never said that they all support the Raptors at a 100% rate.

I said that among those groups, the Raptors are just as popular as the Leafs/Jays.

Going forward, the Raptors fan base will continue to increase.

Yes, but when you're talking overall popularity that would put them behind the Leafs/Jays, somewhere they weren't during the championship run. Going from 1 to 3 in the pecking order means you lost the city.

I don't doubt the fanbase can continue to grow in the future but will it be at the same rate as the rest of the options in the city? Also, it's dependent on the future of the team. Obviously it will grow more if the team is more exciting/relevant and successful.

[Pooh_Jeter]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

You have no proof to substantiate your claim. You don't live here. You know nothing of the culture, conversations, and general sentiment that define the urban/exurban spaces of this city. You have one metric from a season that's hardly 10% complete. We're in the middle of a global pandemic, the raptors have been forced to play at the other end of the continent, they're struggling, we're not happy, and this is your contribution to the discussion. Claims that they've "lost the city", OUR city, not yours. This team means a lot to some of us, you know. They've been with us for the majority of our lives.

Your point was they have "lost" a city that adores them, of which you know nothing about. Then you cry victim, rather than just own your terrible take and concede that there are people on this board who know more about this than you. Worst of all, you implied we had "rich parents" because we were able to go to games growing up. It's called 500 level in the skydome, sprite zone in the ACC and haggling with scalpers in the freezing cold. Of course you have no idea what any of those things are, but "wealth" has nothing to do with them, I guarantee you that. I've worked with communities at the margins for a decade. I can tell you that the raptors have not "lost" any of those children, their families, or the support of those communities.

You're an outsider, a fraud, you're not a fan of this team, you don't care about them, you contribute nothing positive or insightful to the discussion. Nobody wants you on this forum.

So I have to ask,

Why are you here?

You do realize I have friends and family in the GTA, right? Thank you for not just attempting to silence my own voice, but theirs as well.

I don't claim Toronto as MY city or the Raptors as MY team. They aren't possessions for me to own and I certainly wouldn't tell any other fan how they should think or act. What a slap in the face to any fan of the Raptors who lives outside of Ontario/Canada which there are many on this board.

It's unfortunate you have to resort to this level of discourse.

[Ramed Nazored]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

You have no proof to substantiate your claim. You don't live here. You know nothing of the culture, conversations, and general sentiment that define the urban/exurban spaces of this city. You have one metric from a season that's hardly 10% complete. We're in the middle of a global pandemic, the raptors have been forced to play at the other end of the continent, they're struggling, we're not happy, and this is your contribution to the discussion. Claims that they've "lost the city", OUR city, not yours. This team means a lot to some of us, you know. They've been with us for the majority of our lives.

Your point was they have "lost" a city that adores them, of which you know nothing about. Then you cry victim, rather than just own your terrible take and concede that there are people on this board who know more about this than you. Worst of all, you implied we had "rich parents" because we were able to go to games growing up. It's called 500 level in the skydome, sprite zone in the ACC and haggling with scalpers in the freezing cold. Of course you have no idea what any of those things are, but "wealth" has nothing to do with them, I guarantee you that. I've worked with communities at the margins for a decade. I can tell you that the raptors have not "lost" any of those children, their families, or the support of those communities.

You're an outsider, a fraud, you're not a fan of this team, you don't care about them, you contribute nothing positive or insightful to the discussion. Nobody wants you on this forum.

So I have to ask,

Why are you here?

You do realize I have friends and family in the GTA, right? Thank you for not just attempting to silence my own voice, but theirs as well.

I don't claim Toronto as MY city or the Raptors as MY team. They aren't possessions for me to own and I certainly wouldn't tell any other fan how they should think or act. What a slap in the face to any fan of the Raptors who lives outside of Ontario/Canada which there are many on this board.

It's unfortunate you have to resort to this level of discourse.

Yes, there are, and if their opinions were as bad, misguided, and easily falsifiable as yours, I'd challenge them as well. You're not a victim, and no one is "silencing your voice". You're being called out for consistently negative, consistently ridiculous takes, going back now to my first interaction with you, when you claimed the Brooklyn nets sans Durant, Kyrie, Dinwiddie, Deandre Jordan, and Taureen Prince, were a more talented team than the Toronto Raptors, and would beat us in the first round of last years playoffs. You post your nonsense with impunity. Drop the persecution complex.

And level of discourse? In this very thread you drew conclusions about the manner in which people grew up. Assuming we had "rich parents" who carted us around to Raptor games on a whim. Quite the assumption.

There's no having a reasonable discussion with you, because you're not here in good faith. It's that simple. If you do get suspended or banned, which I don't doubt has happened in the past, it's not because you're being victimized. It's because you're annoying.

[wow09]

The insecurity on this board absolutely kills me. Always the sky is falling.

We won the championship 2 years ago. 2. Years. Ago.

Close this thread.

[Johnny Bball]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

So your argument would then be, The Raptors have lost Canada, not Toronto then.

Also what are the streaming numbers?? Merchandising?? TV contracts?? revenue (per game/s played)?? Exposure?? etc..

So then toronto lost them last year when the pandemic started? Riiiiight. He's not going to tell you that nor will he use context in overall ratings, or them playing in Tampa. But he will continue to double down on the worst arguments.

When we were winning, this guy barely posts. TWO thread starts and he posts over ten times a day. Now it's a thread that Raptors have lost Toronto. Next it will be move the raptors from Toronto (and not just to Tampa). At what point is this either not called trolling or constant negativity, I don't care which you pick.

[bballsparkin]

Yes, but when you're talking overall popularity that would put them behind the Leafs/Jays, somewhere they weren't during the championship run. Going from 1 to 3 in the pecking order means you lost the city.

I don't doubt the fanbase can continue to grow in the future but will it be at the same rate as the rest of the options in the city? Also, it's dependent on the future of the team. Obviously it will grow more if the team is more exciting/relevant and successful.

I don't see the logic. The Jays and Leafs both have huge fan bases. There's no shame in the Raptors taking a backseat to either team when those teams are in a better position to win. Or in the Jays case up and coming. Basically any of Toronto's teams can become the most popular at any time. Winning does that.

In summary, when the Raptors are good and poised for a deep run they'll be back. When the team is not playing so well, it's back to us hardcores. That's the way it is.

[Pooh_Jeter]

Read on Twitter

[Raptaz]

The proof will be in the TV ratings and the attendance/merchandising numbers which isn't possible since the NHL season just started and the baseball season is a month and a half away. This is how predictions work, of course the numbers while the Raptors were the toast of the town were strong. If I took the 2015-16 Blue Jays numbers they would clearly eclipse the Raptors. The Leafs outdraw the Raptors 95% of the time when it comes to TV ratings even when they are good.

TV ratings work in trends, you don't see the ratings drop all at once. Because the Raptors may cede their territory on top to the Leafs and Jays doesn't mean they will suddenly be left without fans or support.

"The Blue Jays on Sportsnet averaged 500,000 viewers in 2020, up 23% year-over-year, and reached 9.8 million Canadians (27% of the population)."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2020/10/04/mlb-sees-local-tv-and-streaming-viewership-up-over-4-for-2020/?sh=7d844ce43dac

I believe so far this season the highest rated Raptors game was at 635K.

You can disagree with my point, but at least understand what my point is first.

So your argument would then be, The Raptors have lost Canada, not Toronto then.

Also what are the streaming numbers?? Merchandising?? TV contracts?? revenue (per game/s played)?? Exposure?? etc..

It's both. All of the Toronto teams are both national and local teams. It's extremely difficult to source specific regions for TV ratings and such and using national numbers is just a simpler and broader look.

Streaming numbers generally aren't released publically like TV ratings are. Merchandising numbers typically come from the league and you can only draw a smattering of conclusions based on specific teams. In terms of TV contracts there really isn't one for the Blue Jays given they are owned by Rogers and even with the Raptors it's dicey given Bell and TSN. I believe the Leafs have their cut from the national TV deal as well as local rights.

Exposure is difficult to quantify, it would mostly be anecdotal evidence. By the end of a leagues season generally you are able to parse together patchwork of their revenue streams and certainly their TV ratings on the whole.

He states himself months away but tries to validate reasoning with no empirical evidence or data to draw on .


This guy acting like he knows the future.

@moderators are you all sleeping ?


How is a thread that has no factual evidence or numbers to support OP stupid pandemically ill take on this team, this season and our city.

Lock it up

[Raptaz]

Read on Twitter

Don't see anything raptors related. Are you ok ?

Posting with no context or the fact they both didn't play on the same day

Or consideration that a re aligned division could impact numbers for hockey. I would assume the all Canadian numbers would do better than the rest of the American division


This a basketball, raptors and Toronto specific thread.

[Raptaz]

"The Raptors are arguably the most popular sports team for millennials and minorities living in the GTA."

First, you just acknowledged it's arguable. Secondly, it's not just milennnials and visible minorities who live in the GTA and they certainly don't support the Raptors at a 100% rate.

You debunked your own argument.

I never said it was just millennials and minorities who live in the GTA. I also never said that they all support the Raptors at a 100% rate.

I said that among those groups, the Raptors are just as popular as the Leafs/Jays.

Going forward, the Raptors fan base will continue to increase.

Yes, but when you're talking overall popularity that would put them behind the Leafs/Jays, somewhere they weren't during the championship run. Going from 1 to 3 in the pecking order means you lost the city.

I don't doubt the fanbase can continue to grow in the future but will it be at the same rate as the rest of the options in the city? Also, it's dependent on the future of the team. Obviously it will grow more if the team is more exciting/relevant and successful.

This has already been proven. The Vince Carter effect and now the kawhi and championship effect



Come back and speak when those other teams actually make it to the eastern conference finals or win then possibly you have a argument.


There is a reason why leafs TV is 6.99 per month they cater to a certain age group.


The you wouldn't spend $7 on leafs TV, the youth witnessed raptors and TFC wins

But you somehow think losing team like the Bluejays and leafs which no one has seen win since

1993 or 1967 ?

[ontnut]

*Sees Pooh Jeter thread*

[BrickFreak]

Lol nah, I don't bother with hockey. Don't care about the Leafs at all.

[DreamTeam09]

Instead of forcing an opinion down ppl's throats, how about you open it up for general discussion OP.

Instead of the click bait title of "The raptors have lost Toronto" you could've worded it like "Will the Raptors popularity be impacted by the rise of other Toronto teams"

Same discussion, but big difference in verbiage which would've led to better discussion from the board. This goes for everyone as well, in life as well.

[ontnut]

Instead of forcing an opinion down ppl's throats, how about you open it up for general discussion OP.

Instead of the click bait title of "The raptors have lost Toronto" you could've worded it like "Will the Raptors popularity be impacted by the rise of other Toronto teams"

Same discussion, but big difference in verbiage which would've led to better discussion from the board. This goes for everyone as well, in life as well.

But you see, that's not what he's after.