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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#281 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:28 pm

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#282 » by F N 11 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:28 pm

Knox looks good. Happy he’s finding himself. 44% from 3 438% from the field and 75% from the line. He needs more burn. Nothing else has to be said about IQ. Burkes is the only 3 that deserves to start over Knox.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#283 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:29 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:So, what's a realistic trade for Zach LaVine that doesn't treadmill the team by trading away too much?

I don't think there is one.

Randle and the Mav's 2021?
I don't think the Bulls have any use for Randle. How soon could he traded FROM the Bulls?
- Where the Bulls double down on a return, getting the pick from the Knicks and then flip Randle again for something. Just speculation

Obviously, this really doesn't make the Knicks better, hurts frontcourt depth, removes their best (for what it's worth) player, but it does add a quality 2/3 with some secondary/tertiary PG skills.

And since the Knicks struggle to find any one guard/wing on any night that can score consistently, at least LaVine would provide that, while RJ and Quickley have their inconsistent scoring nights, consistent with young 2nd and 1st year players who are decent.

Don't think there is a path to LaVine unless the Bulls wanted to clear cap space, which not sure they do.
You would add Lavine t9 Randle not exchange them.

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Well, yeah, but then the Knicks aren't sending anything of value
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#284 » by NYK Dolemite » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:30 pm

Starting to hate Thibs. His obvious sexual attraction to Payton is messing with his judgment.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#285 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:31 pm

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Quickley was also playing Dptson at point guard. I mean Jesus Andre Drummond was handling the ball for them ... successfully.

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True. Payton should be getting 44 mpg. He's the best.
Or just don't go on a wild set of hot takes and lame troll posts. You kbow, be unKnicksboardian.

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Payton sucks and is a bad fit with RJ, who has his own issues. Start Quickly and give Payton 12 mpg
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#286 » by F N 11 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:32 pm

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NY Knicka wrote:Watching Obi then looking at Haliburton stats truly hurts

UNLIKE Obi, Knox and Frank, Haliburton has been put into an important role from the start of his first season. Ten games in he's playing meaningful and consistent minutes with the ball actually in his hands.

Years later, Frank and Knox still have to be scared to mess up a rotation and be benched. I hope it's not the same with Obip, but as long as Randle is here it isn't looking good .......

We should trade Randle, then:

Quickley + Frank
RJ
Knox + Frank
Obi
Mitch

Add Burke and hopefully the player that came back in the trade and we good. Then again maybe we trade Burke. He got connections, I could see us keeping him long term.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#287 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:37 pm

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NY Knicka wrote:Watching Obi then looking at Haliburton stats truly hurts

UNLIKE Obi, Knox and Frank, Haliburton has been put into an important role from the start of his first season. Ten games in he's playing meaningful and consistent minutes with the ball actually in his hands.

Years later, Frank and Knox still have to be scared to mess up a rotation and be benched. I hope it's not the same with Obip, but as long as Randle is here it isn't looking good .......

We should trade Randle, then:

Quickley + Frank
RJ
Knox + Frank
Obi
Mitch

Knox played way too many minutes than he deserved his rookie year. It was his 2nd year where he got sporadic minutes and he regressed. We never developed him right though.

Frank played minutes but they were inconsistent and he got hurt so often that he always had a set back after showing flashes. He would then revert back to being passive which is frustrating. But the coaches should've given him a bigger role right away instead of signing all these one year vets.

It's not only just minutes given. I just think the Knicks have never provided enough guidance for our lottery picks. It's not enough to just give them minutes but seems our team never gives them a set role and invest in them. Fizdale was horrible because he was more about a free flowing offense which is good if you have the right personnel, bad if you don't have the right PG or you have young players still learning. But the main thing is... management keeps signing these rental players instead of riding with our lotto picks. Why draft them if you're gonna hinder their development.
Management also keeps changing every two years. So there's no direction to put these players in a role. Frank was drafted for the triangle. Knox drafted to be in Thibs free flowing offence, RJ to be a transition guy and now in Thibs half court high post offence.

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#288 » by Reign23 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:38 pm

KnicksChamps wrote:So uhhh...what the F U C K does Bullock do that Knox doesn't do infinitely better, with infinitely higher upside, with an infinitely more important future with this team?

Why the F U C K is Payton still on this god damn team, and how is IQ not outplaying him in practice daily?

RJ really messed up but I appreciated that he took it to the rim all game. Big difference. Imagine how consistently he'd be able to do that if Knox and IQ played alongside him to space the floor...

Its on Thibs now. Cut the bullshyt. Its over. Bench those two imbeciles and start the future.

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2. Payton is older
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#289 » by nedleeds » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:38 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:
NY Knicka wrote:Watching Obi then looking at Haliburton stats truly hurts

UNLIKE Obi, Knox and Frank, Haliburton has been put into an important role from the start of his first season. Ten games in he's playing meaningful and consistent minutes with the ball actually in his hands.

Years later, Frank and Knox still have to be scared to mess up a rotation and be benched. I hope it's not the same with Obip, but as long as Randle is here it isn't looking good .......

We should trade Randle, then:

Quickley + Frank
RJ
Knox + Frank
Obi
Mitch


This lineup doesn’t win any games. .


Sold. We're winning about 10 more with Randle at best while he and Payton fellate each other. At least we begin developing our 22 year old lottery pick PF, get more ping pong balls and potentially get an asset for Randle which seemed unlikely last year. Though I still don't see the trade partner desperate enough to give up a 1st without either an injury or us taking on bad money.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#290 » by Reign23 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:45 pm

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oh yes :lol:
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#291 » by SmoothLefty21 » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:52 pm

I absolutely love that we're going to waste a year of an old-as-hell lottery pick. :lol: This franchise is something else.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#292 » by NYK Dolemite » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:20 pm

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#293 » by Ray Williams » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:26 pm

F N 11 wrote:Knox looks good. Happy he’s finding himself. 44% from 3 438% from the field and 75% from the line. He needs more burn. Nothing else has to be said about IQ. Burkes is the only 3 that deserves to start over Knox.

Calipari said it would take 3 years with him, he should start and RJ should come off the bench, and this summer forget about working on your whole game, concentrate on fixing that 3 pointer, some of those bricks are cringeworthy.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#294 » by Triple C » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:29 pm

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#295 » by Fat » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:31 pm

I’m not worried about obi. when he steps on the court he plays the right way. He just has no designated role on offense yet he’s letting the game come to him but we don’t know the areas he thrives at the most yet. Once he gets more minutes and feels more comfortable coming back from injury we can experiment more
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#296 » by Fat » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:35 pm

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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#297 » by HEZI » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:40 pm

Knox should start now that there are some healthy bodies back.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#298 » by knickstape4ever » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:44 pm

HEZI wrote:Knox should start now that there are some healthy bodies back.


I've been down on Knox since before we drafted him, but gotta admit he's different this season. playing w/ a lot more energy and knocking down that corner 3
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#299 » by K_ick_God » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:51 pm

You can put Elf on a slow boat to China and then when he arrives he can play basketball there.
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Re: knicks cavs PG - start up the tank 

Post#300 » by K_ick_God » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:53 pm

Has Hali had any scoring games as big as IQ has had 2, 3 times? I’m too lazy look it up plus I’m making a rhetorical point.

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