Tim Duncan "hates a lot of things" about the modern NBA

[levon]

Woah, RGM sweetheart Tim Duncan vs famous RGM position "retired players know less than I do". Who will win?

[OkcSinceSGA]

Bigs are really screwed over by the rules. I have issues with how easy it is for bigs to get into foul trouble. If a perimeter player drives, and it's so easy to drive when everybody's scared of the 3 point shot, bigs sometimes literally have to move away if they want to avoid the foul call. If bigs could have more personal fouls allowed, at least your starting C, I think it would balance a lot of that out, because teams whose 1st option is a big often can't play him because of the foul trouble.

Yep. WAY too many games where bigs have 3-4 fouls in the first quarter or half. It's idiotic. But as he said, bigs get hammered nonstop inside.

[JayMKE]

Is there a more overused meme in existence?

[dc]

IIRC, that's why Duncan "retired" from FIBA competition after the 2004 Olympics. He felt he was getting mugged in the post every trip down the floor and nothing was ever called.

[OkcSinceSGA]

I'd like to see the NBA do these things to help bigs.

1. Euro rules on goaltending.
2. Take away 3 second violations and 5 seconds back to the basket (although these are rarely enforced anyway, let them camp ALL game if they want).
3. Have a rule where blood has to be drawn for a foul to be called.

[Metallikid]

High school and college are more physical than the NBA today.

You are allowed to bump and be physical on the perimeter as long as you don't affect the shot. You are also allowed, inside, to own the space you're in. Its much more routine that opposing players "own" the same space on the interior, and extremely unlikely that it happens on the perimeter. On the perimeter, you take a shot expecting to land cleanly. You dont usually have someone inside your jersey when you take the shot. In the paint, its very different.

What exactly does he want? The hand-check rule coming back? Or does he want more fouls on the interior?

Nah, this is just an old man complaining about a sport naturally evolving. No one hits singles and moves the runner over anymore! No one runs the ball 40 times a game anymore! Sports evolve and players need to to stay relevant.

You know that's not true and I don't think you really believe that's how it's officiated either. Nowadays the shot attempt happens because there was a bump. Players literally feel a bump or see the defender left his arm too close, and swing their arms through into a 'shot attempt'.

[zimpy27]

Bigs are really screwed over by the rules. I have issues with how easy it is for bigs to get into foul trouble. If a perimeter player drives, and it's so easy to drive when everybody's scared of the 3 point shot, bigs sometimes literally have to move away if they want to avoid the foul call. If bigs could have more personal fouls allowed, at least your starting C, I think it would balance a lot of that out, because teams whose 1st option is a big often can't play him because of the foul trouble, like Jokic, Embiid, Towns etc.

Part of the reasoning is that being tall is more of a pre-requisite to being good at basketball than skill level. They are trying to change that.

[JayMKE]

Bigs are really screwed over by the rules. I have issues with how easy it is for bigs to get into foul trouble. If a perimeter player drives, and it's so easy to drive when everybody's scared of the 3 point shot, bigs sometimes literally have to move away if they want to avoid the foul call. If bigs could have more personal fouls allowed, at least your starting C, I think it would balance a lot of that out, because teams whose 1st option is a big often can't play him because of the foul trouble, like Jokic, Embiid, Towns etc.

Part of the reasoning is that being tall is more of a pre-requisite to being good at basketball than skill level. They are trying to change that.

Is chucking 30 ft shots and flopping at every hint of contact more skill than big man post game?

[Sofia]

Is there a more overused meme in existence?

It’s fine when it’s well used. This case was not

[wade44]

Almost like past players don't voice their opinion on this matter because the "old men yells at clouds mob" will inevitably jump down their throat despite it being a big elephant in the room. There is zero physicality in today's game and bigs are definitely neutralized

Good to see a respected legend take a stance on this

[Bergmaniac]

He is absolutely correct and this is my main issue with the reffing in the modern NBA. The disparity between what's allowed in the low post and on the perimeter is ridiculous.

[Statlanta]

The reason the Tim Duncan face meme exists because the best defensive big men(usually the best defenders on the court) are a referendum on how the game is called.

It's been progressively been called softer since he entered the league at the end of the 90's.

You also used to be able to have fistfights and stay in the game. And in the NFL you could play through a concussion. The leagues do more to protect athletes and their long-term well being. So of course fans hate it

The difference is that we both know how Tim Duncan plays compared to those old heads and he did not contribute to that environment, he grew in it. Career-wise he generally looks like a deer on the court on both ends of the court and rarely if ever causes fights.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Not really sure why everybody is ok with Timmy just stealing my material like this.

I guess because he's a HOFer and one of the best players ever and still relative in the NBA, and I'm ... ummm... well... just some fictitious online character named after an old character actor.

But still... it hurts, you know.

[-Sammy-]

I'm a simple man: when Timmy talks, I listen.

And then I agree.

[FNQ]

High school and college are more physical than the NBA today.

You are allowed to bump and be physical on the perimeter as long as you don't affect the shot. You are also allowed, inside, to own the space you're in. Its much more routine that opposing players "own" the same space on the interior, and extremely unlikely that it happens on the perimeter. On the perimeter, you take a shot expecting to land cleanly. You dont usually have someone inside your jersey when you take the shot. In the paint, its very different.

What exactly does he want? The hand-check rule coming back? Or does he want more fouls on the interior?

Nah, this is just an old man complaining about a sport naturally evolving. No one hits singles and moves the runner over anymore! No one runs the ball 40 times a game anymore! Sports evolve and players need to to stay relevant.

You know that's not true and I don't think you really believe that's how it's officiated either. Nowadays the shot attempt happens because there was a bump. Players literally feel a bump or see the defender left his arm too close, and swing their arms through into a 'shot attempt'.

So you mean a moving screen then? That’s obviously different.

There is no-call contact on the perimeter all the time, and it wasn’t much different in the old days after the hand check. Perimeter drivers now seek out contact because once the hand-check rule was abolished, playing perimeter defense was tougher and let more skilled offensive players shine

Just an old man grousing about the good ol days

[JayMKE]

Is there a more overused meme in existence?

It’s fine when it’s well used. This case was not

It’s dumb because the younger the demographic the more whiny and offended at everything they are but I digress

[Metallikid]

You are allowed to bump and be physical on the perimeter as long as you don't affect the shot. You are also allowed, inside, to own the space you're in. Its much more routine that opposing players "own" the same space on the interior, and extremely unlikely that it happens on the perimeter. On the perimeter, you take a shot expecting to land cleanly. You dont usually have someone inside your jersey when you take the shot. In the paint, its very different.

What exactly does he want? The hand-check rule coming back? Or does he want more fouls on the interior?

Nah, this is just an old man complaining about a sport naturally evolving. No one hits singles and moves the runner over anymore! No one runs the ball 40 times a game anymore! Sports evolve and players need to to stay relevant.

You know that's not true and I don't think you really believe that's how it's officiated either. Nowadays the shot attempt happens because there was a bump. Players literally feel a bump or see the defender left his arm too close, and swing their arms through into a 'shot attempt'.

So you mean a moving screen then? That’s obviously different.

There is no-call contact on the perimeter all the time, and it wasn’t much different in the old days after the hand check. Perimeter drivers now seek out contact because once the hand-check rule was abolished, playing perimeter defense was tougher and let more skilled offensive players shine

Just an old man grousing about the good ol days

I didn't say anything about a moving screen I'm talking about man-to-man perimeter defense.

I don't know, man, seems like he's making a pretty well reasoned argument to me.

[FNQ]

Is there a more overused meme in existence?

It’s fine when it’s well used. This case was not

Works fine. He’s grousing about his good old days which really plays well with basketball purists (re: similar complainers)

His style is dead, basketball continues to grow in popularity, and the GB whiffs again

[LakerLegend]

You are allowed to bump and be physical on the perimeter as long as you don't affect the shot. You are also allowed, inside, to own the space you're in. Its much more routine that opposing players "own" the same space on the interior, and extremely unlikely that it happens on the perimeter. On the perimeter, you take a shot expecting to land cleanly. You dont usually have someone inside your jersey when you take the shot. In the paint, its very different.

What exactly does he want? The hand-check rule coming back? Or does he want more fouls on the interior?

Nah, this is just an old man complaining about a sport naturally evolving. No one hits singles and moves the runner over anymore! No one runs the ball 40 times a game anymore! Sports evolve and players need to to stay relevant.

You know that's not true and I don't think you really believe that's how it's officiated either. Nowadays the shot attempt happens because there was a bump. Players literally feel a bump or see the defender left his arm too close, and swing their arms through into a 'shot attempt'.

So you mean a moving screen then? That’s obviously different.

There is no-call contact on the perimeter all the time, and it wasn’t much different in the old days after the hand check. Perimeter drivers now seek out contact because once the hand-check rule was abolished, playing perimeter defense was tougher and let more skilled offensive players shine

Just an old man grousing about the good ol days

It's completely different. Go watch a game from 1997 or 2003 and tell me it's the same. Saying it's the same is just dishonesty.

[slicedbread2]