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Post#201 » by Prokorov » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:39 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Gamezero05 wrote:Yet you somehow think buyout and vet minimum signings are going to transform the defense?

And yes, two players absolutely can transform your defense. Particularly if one of those defenders is a big man. It could allow your team to change the way they play defense. It could allow for more switching.

But anyway, I question whether the big 3 on this team can work together. Look at the 4 games since the trade. In the first two games, Harden and Durant seemed to fit together like a glove. Two wins, including a win over Milwaukee. In the two games after Kyrie came back, he put up big numbers but the team looked disjointed. And it resulted in two losses.

The best teams are those that have a max of 2 star high usage facilitators and 1 star big man. When you have 3 guard/wing players trying to get their touches, it becomes a situation of too many cooks in the kitchen. One of them will have to cut back. And at that point, you’re not getting the value out of the 3rd wheel that you are paying for. That value could be better served at a different position with a different role. It’s about maximizing the total team value.


No I don't need to "transform" the defense.

We just need a couple of guys who are not terrible. A backup Center specifically and a defensive wing player.

Once those needs are addressed the team won't be as bad.

That and better chemistry will fix a lot of these issues.

The first two games the offense was sloppy and we had a ton of turnovers. The Bucks game we won on a last minute game winner from KD and miss from Middleton.

The third game we lost on a game tying 3 from Sexton.

Both of those shots could have gone the other way.

And I don't take much from the terrible injured Magic team we beat.

Harden wouldn't shoot and was passive in the last 2. Thats not on Kyrie. Sorry.
Yes, the defense does need to be transformed. It’s putrid.

Over the last 4 games, the Nets’ offensive rating is 115.1. That would be 4th in the NBA if they maintained that for the season. And they could easily shoot up to #1 once they get settled in.

But their defensive rating is 119.4. That is HORRIFIC. Over a season, that would put them in dead last by almost a full point, and 5 full points behind the current 29th place defensive team, the Washington Wizards.

These little additions around the edges you are suggesting is what would be needed to take a middle of the pack defense into the top 10. There is no way anything but a major move is going to take this team from being horrific on the defensive side of the ball into the top 10. Even before the trade this team was ranked 24th in defense, and the defense has only gotten worse since then.

And to win a title, you need both a top 10 offense AND defense. That has been historically true every single year, and it’s usually even closer to top 5 on both sides of the ball. There is no shot of that without a major move.


Useless small sample. and only 1 of those 4 games did we have our full squad.

We are playing D-leaguer reggie perry. and we dont have a PF on the roster besided KD. very easy to DRASTICALLY upgrade that with vet min guys.

RHJ + Dedmon would be an enormous upgrade
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#202 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:45 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:The Wizards have signed Len AND Jordan Bell. Meanwhile we still have done nothing to address backup Center.

This is a disaster. Bam is about to eat us alive on the boards.


im not worried about Bam. super overrated.

And there are plenty of bigs out there. Len wasnt a great fit. I like McGee or Dedmon alot better. RHJ as well


I'm fine with RHJ and Dedmon. But whats the hold up?

This seems like something that should have been done days ago.
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Post#203 » by Prokorov » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:51 pm

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:The Wizards have signed Len AND Jordan Bell. Meanwhile we still have done nothing to address backup Center.

This is a disaster. Bam is about to eat us alive on the boards.


im not worried about Bam. super overrated.

And there are plenty of bigs out there. Len wasnt a great fit. I like McGee or Dedmon alot better. RHJ as well


I'm fine with RHJ and Dedmon. But whats the hold up?

This seems like something that should have been done days ago.


Could be a lot of things

-they know we have the MLE and are holding out for more than the minimum
-Marks prefers player X over player Y and is waiting on player X to make a decision
-Physical/healthy/social media due dilligence
-Trying to make a trade with second rounders before signing FAs

I dont really see this as a sense of urgency. he has 7 days to fill one spot, and the rest of the year to fill the other. and i think getting right > getting it sooner. He may also want to see more then 1 game of the big 3 before making a determination on the best fit. He may be waiting on input from the team (do you guys prefer RHJ or MKG?)

i dont think losing 2-5 games in a row gives them the urgency it gives fans. they know they will contend and home court isnt a thing really this year
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#204 » by Gamezero05 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:56 pm

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Gamezero05 wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:
No I don't need to "transform" the defense.

We just need a couple of guys who are not terrible. A backup Center specifically and a defensive wing player.

Once those needs are addressed the team won't be as bad.

That and better chemistry will fix a lot of these issues.

The first two games the offense was sloppy and we had a ton of turnovers. The Bucks game we won on a last minute game winner from KD and miss from Middleton.

The third game we lost on a game tying 3 from Sexton.

Both of those shots could have gone the other way.

And I don't take much from the terrible injured Magic team we beat.

Harden wouldn't shoot and was passive in the last 2. Thats not on Kyrie. Sorry.
Yes, the defense does need to be transformed. It’s putrid.

Over the last 4 games, the Nets’ offensive rating is 115.1. That would be 4th in the NBA if they maintained that for the season. And they could easily shoot up to #1 once they get settled in.

But their defensive rating is 119.4. That is HORRIFIC. Over a season, that would put them in dead last by almost a full point, and 5 full points behind the current 29th place defensive team, the Washington Wizards.

These little additions around the edges you are suggesting is what would be needed to take a middle of the pack defense into the top 10. There is no way anything but a major move is going to take this team from being horrific on the defensive side of the ball into the top 10. Even before the trade this team was ranked 24th in defense, and the defense has only gotten worse since then.

And to win a title, you need both a top 10 offense AND defense. That has been historically true every single year, and it’s usually even closer to top 5 on both sides of the ball. There is no shot of that without a major move.


Useless small sample. and only 1 of those 4 games did we have our full squad.

We are playing D-leaguer reggie perry. and we dont have a PF on the roster besided KD. very easy to DRASTICALLY upgrade that with vet min guys.

RHJ + Dedmon would be an enormous upgrade
The Nets had the 24th ranked defense even when they had Allen. Do you really think Dedmon and RHJ is going to vault this team into the top 10?

By trading Kyrie, you can still get Dedmon and RHJ, in addition to an impactful 2-way player(s).

And I’m not saying he needs to make the trade right now. Give them some time to mesh on the court. I just don’t see it happening. The defense is too bad and will continue to be bad without a major move.
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Post#205 » by Prokorov » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:01 pm

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Gamezero05 wrote:Yes, the defense does need to be transformed. It’s putrid.

Over the last 4 games, the Nets’ offensive rating is 115.1. That would be 4th in the NBA if they maintained that for the season. And they could easily shoot up to #1 once they get settled in.

But their defensive rating is 119.4. That is HORRIFIC. Over a season, that would put them in dead last by almost a full point, and 5 full points behind the current 29th place defensive team, the Washington Wizards.

These little additions around the edges you are suggesting is what would be needed to take a middle of the pack defense into the top 10. There is no way anything but a major move is going to take this team from being horrific on the defensive side of the ball into the top 10. Even before the trade this team was ranked 24th in defense, and the defense has only gotten worse since then.

And to win a title, you need both a top 10 offense AND defense. That has been historically true every single year, and it’s usually even closer to top 5 on both sides of the ball. There is no shot of that without a major move.


Useless small sample. and only 1 of those 4 games did we have our full squad.

We are playing D-leaguer reggie perry. and we dont have a PF on the roster besided KD. very easy to DRASTICALLY upgrade that with vet min guys.

RHJ + Dedmon would be an enormous upgrade
The Nets had the 24th ranked defense even when they had Allen. Do you really think Dedmon and RHJ is going to vault this team into the top 10?

By trading Kyrie, you can still get Dedmon and RHJ, in addition to an impactful 2-way player(s).

And I’m not saying he needs to make the trade right now. Give them some time to mesh on the court. I just don’t see it happening. The defense is too bad and will continue to be bad without a major move.


If we trade Kyrie we get alot worse. and no 2-way player comes close to mitigating the impact.

Kyrie + RHJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2-way guys we would trade for.

Nets are fine. anyone who thinks trading Kyrie is the awnser when he is playing like an MVP is a complete and utter moron or just trolling.

Kyrie is giving us 30/6/5 on 50/40/90 with plus defense and clutch shooting. Finding guys to defend is the easiest thing to find in the NBA. and we have the luxury of not needing them to be 2-way guys because we have the 3 best offensive players in the league. Put RHJ/Dedmon on this team and the defense is top 10 and the offense remains top 1.
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Re: How would you fill out the roster? 

Post#206 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:09 pm

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Useless small sample. and only 1 of those 4 games did we have our full squad.

We are playing D-leaguer reggie perry. and we dont have a PF on the roster besided KD. very easy to DRASTICALLY upgrade that with vet min guys.

RHJ + Dedmon would be an enormous upgrade
The Nets had the 24th ranked defense even when they had Allen. Do you really think Dedmon and RHJ is going to vault this team into the top 10?

By trading Kyrie, you can still get Dedmon and RHJ, in addition to an impactful 2-way player(s).

And I’m not saying he needs to make the trade right now. Give them some time to mesh on the court. I just don’t see it happening. The defense is too bad and will continue to be bad without a major move.


If we trade Kyrie we get alot worse. and no 2-way player comes close to mitigating the impact.

Kyrie + RHJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2-way guys we would trade for.

Nets are fine. anyone who thinks trading Kyrie is the awnser when he is playing like an MVP is a complete and utter moron or just trolling.

Kyrie is giving us 30/6/5 on 50/40/90 with plus defense and clutch shooting. Finding guys to defend is the easiest thing to find in the NBA. and we have the luxury of not needing them to be 2-way guys because we have the 3 best offensive players in the league. Put RHJ/Dedmon on this team and the defense is top 10 and the offense remains top 1.


I agree to an extent. Brooklyn should be able to build a quality defense by investing at the 4 and 5 and playing KD at the 3.

If push comes to shove Nets would be better off trading Harden than Kyrie IMO. They’d get much more for him than Kyrie and Kyrie has been better this season.
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Post#207 » by TheNetsFan » Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:40 am

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Gamezero05 wrote:The Nets had the 24th ranked defense even when they had Allen. Do you really think Dedmon and RHJ is going to vault this team into the top 10?

By trading Kyrie, you can still get Dedmon and RHJ, in addition to an impactful 2-way player(s).

And I’m not saying he needs to make the trade right now. Give them some time to mesh on the court. I just don’t see it happening. The defense is too bad and will continue to be bad without a major move.


If we trade Kyrie we get alot worse. and no 2-way player comes close to mitigating the impact.

Kyrie + RHJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2-way guys we would trade for.

Nets are fine. anyone who thinks trading Kyrie is the awnser when he is playing like an MVP is a complete and utter moron or just trolling.

Kyrie is giving us 30/6/5 on 50/40/90 with plus defense and clutch shooting. Finding guys to defend is the easiest thing to find in the NBA. and we have the luxury of not needing them to be 2-way guys because we have the 3 best offensive players in the league. Put RHJ/Dedmon on this team and the defense is top 10 and the offense remains top 1.


I agree to an extent. Brooklyn should be able to build a quality defense by investing at the 4 and 5 and playing KD at the 3.

If push comes to shove Nets would be better off trading Harden than Kyrie IMO. They’d get much more for him than Kyrie and Kyrie has been better this season.

No. KD has to be the 4. We're too slow when we're playing big. We should roll with Brown at the 2, Harden at 3 and KD at 4. We do need a better 5.
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Post#208 » by mcscotty » Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:32 am

I see the Wizards snapped up the 2 best remaining free agent centers. They've got one eye on the prize. Their hometown boy.
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Post#209 » by TheBrooklynKidd » Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:02 am

mcscotty wrote:I see the Wizards snapped up the 2 best remaining free agent centers. They've got one eye on the prize. Their hometown boy.


I don’t think Bell and Len are worth Brooklyn’s time.

At least Pelle has a relatively high ceiling.
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Post#210 » by ecuhus1981 » Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:23 am

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mcscotty wrote:I see the Wizards snapped up the 2 best remaining free agent centers. They've got one eye on the prize. Their hometown boy.


I don’t think Bell and Len are worth Brooklyn’s time.

At least Pelle has a relatively high ceiling.

Len has established himself as a relatively slow, traditional, plodding deep bench C. Bell looked like a draft steal in his role season with the Warriors. Since then, he's mysteriously fallen off in a big way. IF he can regain his form, Washington might have a gem.

I like the fit of Pelle for our system and needs better than either. It could be boom or bust, but we'll keep looking.
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Post#211 » by bigg mike » Sun Jan 24, 2021 5:41 pm

I'd like to see the Nets sign RHJ, Ilyasova, or Thon Maker for frontcourt backup help. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist would be another solid defender, but his offense is weak. To be fair, with that much offense shared between KD, Kyrie, & Harden you can sacrifice for a defensive-minded player. Nets need solid players that understand their roles.

I'd think that Jeremy Lin & Mudiay should be looked at as well for point guard depth, even if temporary.

Then there are the defensive swingmen like DeMarre Carroll or a guy like Andre Roberson, but that's a little too on the nose of replicating OKC.
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Post#212 » by Paradise » Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:53 pm

JaVale McGee would be the perfect fit on this team. Definitely number one on the wishlist ahead of Dedmon.

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Post#213 » by Lamak » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:38 pm

a high energy wing or big to pair with bruce brown off the bench would be great
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Post#214 » by DarkXaero » Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

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Would you guys consider this? Not saying we should do it, but I think a trade like this is worth considering. Instantly makes us significantly better defensively imo.
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Post#215 » by Paradise » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:36 pm

DarkXaero wrote:Image

Would you guys consider this? Not saying we should do it, but I think a trade like this is worth considering. Instantly makes us significantly better defensively imo.

You’ve got to start to wonder how many NBA teams will want to do business with us if everyone knows we are a defensive wing and big man away from a 3-4 year dominating run? The Nets have been hinting at contract extensions for Harden, KD.

Like when teams refused to trade certain players to the Miami Heat. They had to sign guys like Lewis, Miller on buyouts. They never really had teams who trade significant pieces to their team.
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Post#216 » by DarkXaero » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:07 pm

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DarkXaero wrote:Image

Would you guys consider this? Not saying we should do it, but I think a trade like this is worth considering. Instantly makes us significantly better defensively imo.

You’ve got to start to wonder how many NBA teams will want to do business with us if everyone knows we are a defensive wing and big man away from a 3-4 year dominating run? The Nets have been hinting at contract extensions for Harden, KD.

Like when teams refused to trade certain players to the Miami Heat. They had to sign guys like Lewis, Miller on buyouts. They never really had teams who trade significant pieces to their team.
I don't see why teams like Rockets wouldn't do business with us. They're in rebuild mode, and helping us win doesn't concern them. FWIW, Pacers helped us quite a bit in the recent Harden trade, and they're a playoffs team in the East (with a better record than us).

The Heat's issues were different. The Heat had 3 gigantic max contracts and a bunch of low, minimum contracts. They didn't have significant salary aside from that to really use in a trade (because they used cap space to get all 3 max guys). We currently have 3 sizeable contracts outside of our stars: Dinwiddie, DJ, Joe Harris. That's over $40 mill worth of salary.
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Post#217 » by OneZilion » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:13 pm

Javale McGee and RHJ should be best realistic choice
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Post#218 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:56 pm

Paradise wrote:JaVale McGee would be the perfect fit on this team. Definitely number one on the wishlist ahead of Dedmon.

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Mcgee is exactly what we need but I don't really know what they would want.

I'm fine with giving up a 2nd I guess.
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Post#219 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:34 pm

OneZilion wrote:Javale McGee and RHJ should be best realistic choice

Definitely. Atleast give RHJ a 10 day contract or a non guaranteed for now. He is exactly what we need
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Post#220 » by Trader_Joe » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:22 am

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:The Wizards have signed Len AND Jordan Bell. Meanwhile we still have done nothing to address backup Center.

This is a disaster. Bam is about to eat us alive on the boards.


im not worried about Bam. super overrated.

And there are plenty of bigs out there. Len wasnt a great fit. I like McGee or Dedmon alot better. RHJ as well

Yeah, that Bam guy isn't a threat at all yo us. Even his career high against us was super overrated because we don't have chemistry yet. Jordan, KD, JG all weren't trying either.
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