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TheSuzerain wrote:I haven't watched much of the Celtics. Does Brown look completely different? Or is his shot just falling?
PaKii94 wrote:HomoSapien wrote:Cam Reddish fans, what's your thoughts on his current play in year 2? 35.8% FG, 29.9% 3's, PER 9.8. We got into this debate many times, but I pointed out that he was arguably the worst shooting player (FG% wise) to be drafted in the past 15 years. That was a major red flag, and he's done nothing to alleviate that concern.
He is what most people were expecting besides the people who got caught up in the high school hype. Can he improve? Sure but like wiggins it will take years..maybe never.
Grodoboldo wrote:TheSuzerain wrote:PaKii94 wrote:
He is what most people were expecting besides the people who got caught up in the high school hype. Can he improve? Sure but like wiggins it will take years..maybe never.
Fun fact: He shot sub 40% in EYBL too.
I actually think Reddish can still be solid, but he's a 4th/5th option pure 3/D guy.
But what makes people believe that he'll be able to shoot? I mean, Shaq Harrison and Nwaba would be pretty good if they could shoot! But they can't.
Just like Reddish, so far.
chicagoballer wrote:MPJ from denver continuing to play well since the playoffs. He is not a 2 way player, but man would it be nice to have someone like him on the bench.
cjbulls wrote:PaKii94 wrote:HomoSapien wrote:Cam Reddish fans, what's your thoughts on his current play in year 2? 35.8% FG, 29.9% 3's, PER 9.8. We got into this debate many times, but I pointed out that he was arguably the worst shooting player (FG% wise) to be drafted in the past 15 years. That was a major red flag, and he's done nothing to alleviate that concern.
He is what most people were expecting besides the people who got caught up in the high school hype. Can he improve? Sure but like wiggins it will take years..maybe never.
Actually no, most of us who defended him are pretty accurate so far. The biggest concern remains the 3pt shooting %, but I'm not that worried about judging him after 14 games this year. Last year's 33% is a fine number for a rookie. Those who liked him said that he has a lot of tools and can be a high upside candidate that pushes him past many of the other guys around his range.
He has interesting monthly splits. He really is all over the place, which inconsistency isn't crazy for a 20yo 2nd year guy (look no further than Coby). Every month you get a different Reddish. Some he is great and others he is terrible. I think he has some sort of mental/confidence issues. But he's already a better than average wing defender that many expect to be a really good defender long-term so you hope he continues to sort the other side out.
I felt the need to defend Reddish after people said he wasn't a first round pick and whatever other crazy opinions. Many said (maybe you two?) that he didn't even belong in the league. The Hawks still start him and play him 30mpg. I thought he was worthy of a top 10 pick because of the upside. He was relatively high floor with potential path to a high ceiling. There were a group of guys bunched together (Garland, Hunter, Coby, Cam and Culver). I had him ahead of Culver but behind the rest who I thought were all pretty close to equal. So far, he's been about that.
And let's be honest, no one from that group has pulled away from the pack. Look at the picks everyone talked about in that range and tell me if he should have been picked of the guys projected around there: Culver, Hayes, Doumbouya, Hachimura. You can even throw in Goga and NAW who got a lot of love specifically on this board (I remember all the Goga posts begging the Bulls to grab him). Reddish goes ahead of all them in a re-draft (maybe not Hachimura?). I know Herro and Washington broke out from that late lotto range, but no one on this board was talking about them.
ThreeYearPlan wrote:Bulls fans defend HomoSapien more than Rose.
HomoSapien wrote:cjbulls wrote:PaKii94 wrote:
He is what most people were expecting besides the people who got caught up in the high school hype. Can he improve? Sure but like wiggins it will take years..maybe never.
Actually no, most of us who defended him are pretty accurate so far. The biggest concern remains the 3pt shooting %, but I'm not that worried about judging him after 14 games this year. Last year's 33% is a fine number for a rookie. Those who liked him said that he has a lot of tools and can be a high upside candidate that pushes him past many of the other guys around his range.
He has interesting monthly splits. He really is all over the place, which inconsistency isn't crazy for a 20yo 2nd year guy (look no further than Coby). Every month you get a different Reddish. Some he is great and others he is terrible. I think he has some sort of mental/confidence issues. But he's already a better than average wing defender that many expect to be a really good defender long-term so you hope he continues to sort the other side out.
I felt the need to defend Reddish after people said he wasn't a first round pick and whatever other crazy opinions. Many said (maybe you two?) that he didn't even belong in the league. The Hawks still start him and play him 30mpg. I thought he was worthy of a top 10 pick because of the upside. He was relatively high floor with potential path to a high ceiling. There were a group of guys bunched together (Garland, Hunter, Coby, Cam and Culver). I had him ahead of Culver but behind the rest who I thought were all pretty close to equal. So far, he's been about that.
And let's be honest, no one from that group has pulled away from the pack. Look at the picks everyone talked about in that range and tell me if he should have been picked of the guys projected around there: Culver, Hayes, Doumbouya, Hachimura. You can even throw in Goga and NAW who got a lot of love specifically on this board (I remember all the Goga posts begging the Bulls to grab him). Reddish goes ahead of all them in a re-draft (maybe not Hachimura?). I know Herro and Washington broke out from that late lotto range, but no one on this board was talking about them.
I don't think I ever said he didn't deserve to be drafted in the first round, but I did say it would be a disaster if we drafted him in the lottery and I still feel that way. Despite it being very early in his career, he's been consistently bad at making shots his entire career dating back to college. And bad is an understatement...he's routinely among the worst shot-makers out there. And while he does have good games at times, I wouldn't get too caught up in them. That's the thing about averages...some nights your better than your stats, other nights your worse, but when the overall average is bad that sort of says everything. I'm usually not this hard on young players, but for him to justify being a lottery pick would involve some serious dedication to fix all that is wrong with his game and as you pointed out, possibly his mentality. I just don't like the chances of that happening.
And maybe Reddish's floor is a serviceable 3D role player but even then, why not just sign the Justin Holiday's and Garrett Temple's of the world instead? You're right though, the 2019 NBA draft wasn't very strong (we always knew this) and for that reason taking a bold swing probably made sense. That said, I just always thought the scouting on Reddish was way off and never understood how so many thought he was the third-best prospect in the draft.
Little Nathan wrote:The Cavs are seriously running lineups with 2 of Drummond, Allen and McGee playing together. Not just sometimes, they do this a lot. It’s pretty ridiculous. Cost them a win against a tired Lakers team last night IMO.
DuckIII wrote:Did you guys see that Sekou Smith just died of COVID complications? 48 years old.
Clocian wrote:Its funny watching everyone feeling bad for beal who signed an extension, but don't keep the same energy for zach.
Is Beal an empty stats guy or not?
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AusBull wrote:What I don't understand is why Beal and Westbrook aren't considered a 'Big 2', why are the Wizards so bad with these two guys.
AusBull wrote:Clocian wrote:Its funny watching everyone feeling bad for beal who signed an extension, but don't keep the same energy for zach.
Is Beal an empty stats guy or not?
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What I don't understand is why Beal and Westbrook aren't considered a 'Big 2', why are the Wizards so bad with these two guys.
MisterRoy wrote:AusBull wrote:Clocian wrote:Its funny watching everyone feeling bad for beal who signed an extension, but don't keep the same energy for zach.
Is Beal an empty stats guy or not?
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What I don't understand is why Beal and Westbrook aren't considered a 'Big 2', why are the Wizards so bad with these two guys.
I think it's a bad combination of styles of play. This feels like a 2K pairing. Not sure what Washington was thinking when they did this.
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DuckIII wrote:MisterRoy wrote:AusBull wrote:
What I don't understand is why Beal and Westbrook aren't considered a 'Big 2', why are the Wizards so bad with these two guys.
I think it's a bad combination of styles of play. This feels like a 2K pairing. Not sure what Washington was thinking when they did this.
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Does Westbrook have a good pairing anymore? There were times in his career when he was a joy to watch, but who would want this guy on that contract anymore?
Little Nathan wrote:AusBull wrote:What I don't understand is why Beal and Westbrook aren't considered a 'Big 2', why are the Wizards so bad with these two guys.
Westbrook so far this season: 163 field goal attempts, 163 total points. 44% true shooting (on >30% usage lol). The horrible Wizards team with 0 bench depth is significantly better when he's off the floor.
That man is done.
spearsy23 wrote:Kobe is a low percentage chucker just like Jennings, he's just better at it.
teamCHItown wrote:Now we have threads on what violent felons think of our Bulls. Great. Next up, OJ Simpson's take on a possible Taj Gibson extension.