2020-2021 Regular Season Game 22: Tampa Raptors (8-12) at Orlando Magic (8-13)

[basketballRob]

Leaving Bacon in to take every shot with our young guy sums up our development over the years

The Magic Head Coach dream team

PG: Willie Green
SG: Ben Gordon
SF: Dwayne Bacon
PF: Glen Davis
C: Mo Speights

I'm probably forgetting better choices, but whatever

We should've made a call to Luke Ridenour .

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[thelead]

I agree with pepe, you all got what you wanted. With all the injuries we are bad enough to lose games, Clifford is playing all our young guys except Bamba who is just plain not good enough. Everyone should celebrate.

Ya man this is what everyone wanted! Young guys hurt, or in Bamba’s case exiled, so we play through the vets.

I’d argue you (2-3) guys got what YOU wanted.

LOL at how they ignore your post

Yep, this is what we wanted. We wanted to watch more buddy ball (and ball hog Bacon) because we haven't seen enough of it.

[Rainwater]

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They would have sucked even with Fultz.

We wouldn't have sucked quite this much, but yes, definitely not a playoff team even with Fultz.

No, they still would have been bad in my opinion. The magic schedule was pretty easy prior to the Fultz injury (I believe they played Washington twice and some other terrible teams). Additionally, Fultz was starting to fall off quick after a hot start. The only player that could have made a difference was likely JI but even with him they still would suck.

[IllMagic04]

Since whole board is on board with tanaking, i don't get so much moaning after every loss.

The moaning is mostly because it’s boring and uninspiring play from what we have left where Cole, Chuma and Bamba are the only players who have a hope of playing outside of expectations. But even in our current situation Bacon and Birch are putting up more shots on some/most nights.

Cole Anthony is averaging 32 mpg in last 8 games. Isn't what all you want ? Watching 20 y.o. player "develop" ?
18 min for Okeke after not playing in month.

Bamba is 3rd year player that is only tied with Magic in any way or fashion for 1 year. Sometimes it's just best to cut losses and let it go.

Once again, if you want to tank, witch i do at this point, i'm fine with whatever gets a job done. I don't care.

Not a single guy from bunch you mentioned ( Bamba, Okeke, Cole) will learn anything from it because it's not competitive basketball, team is running top 10 worst offense ,defense, points differential & Bamba and Okeke are 23 and far too old to "learn" anything basketball related that they didn't do during their youth,teen and adolescence in last 10 years playing basketball. Same happend in our first failed rebuild where Payton, Gordon Hezonja, Harris and Dipo peaked in their year 3 or 4 (22 y.o. pretty much sets what you will be for rest of a career ) . We have trackrecord of 4-5 years to follow their "development" after to notice that nobody actaully got significantly better after that age. Few got worst.

But nobody wants to talk about reality, let' keep pretending that development of young players is putting dead body in Lazarus pit.

It's hilarious to even entertain idea that players learn anything while running like fools on 10-72 wins team by "playing".
Joel Embiid rolled from bed, with 0 min played in nba, 0 min of playing basketball in 2 years and was way better basketball player than Jah Okafor and Noel after 2 and 3 years of "developing". They, at that point had 103 ( Jah) and 193 ( Noel) games played. Spoiler alert : playing 30 min a game during that period did nothing for rest of their careers, as both are marginal backups to this date.

I agree with this. The only issue I have is Bamba not playing. Like you said though maybe theres a trade in the works. Maybe we are increasing the trade value of Birch. The FO are morons though so maybe not lol.

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[Knightro]

I agree with pepe, you all got what you wanted. With all the injuries we are bad enough to lose games, Clifford is playing all our young guys except Bamba who is just plain not good enough. Everyone should celebrate.

This is decidedly *not* what we all wanted.

The Magic are actively trying to win games and can't because of injuries and poor roster management. That's not what anyone wants.

There's nothing great about getting your head kicked in every night with guys aged 30, 30, 29, 28 and 28 as five of your top nine.

[zaymon]

I agree with pepe, you all got what you wanted. With all the injuries we are bad enough to lose games, Clifford is playing all our young guys except Bamba who is just plain not good enough. Everyone should celebrate.

This is decidedly *not* what we all wanted.

The Magic are actively trying to win games and can't because of injuries and poor roster management. That's not what anyone wants.

There's nothing great about getting your head kicked in every night with guys aged 30, 30, 29, 28 and 28 as five of your top nine.

Well you wanted to lose, so we are losing. I would argue its better to lose with talent injured than without talent at all.

[Bensational]

Since whole board is on board with tanaking, i don't get so much moaning after every loss.

The moaning is mostly because it’s boring and uninspiring play from what we have left where Cole, Chuma and Bamba are the only players who have a hope of playing outside of expectations. But even in our current situation Bacon and Birch are putting up more shots on some/most nights.

Cole Anthony is averaging 32 mpg in last 8 games. Isn't what all you want ? Watching 20 y.o. player "develop" ?
18 min for Okeke after not playing in month.

Bamba is 3rd year player that is only tied with Magic in any way or fashion for 1 year. Sometimes it's just best to cut losses and let it go.

Once again, if you want to tank, witch i do at this point, i'm fine with whatever gets a job done. I don't care.

Not a single guy from bunch you mentioned ( Bamba, Okeke, Cole) will learn anything from it because it's not competitive basketball, team is running top 10 worst offense ,defense, points differential & Bamba and Okeke are 23 and far too old to "learn" anything basketball related that they didn't do during their youth,teen and adolescence in last 10 years playing basketball. Same happend in our first failed rebuild where Payton, Gordon Hezonja, Harris and Dipo peaked in their year 3 or 4 (22 y.o. pretty much sets what you will be for rest of a career ) . We have trackrecord of 4-5 years to follow their "development" after to notice that nobody actaully got significantly better after that age. Few got worst.

But nobody wants to talk about reality, let' keep pretending that development of young players is putting dead body in Lazarus pit.

It's hilarious to even entertain idea that players learn anything while running like fools on 10-72 wins team by "playing".
Joel Embiid rolled from bed, with 0 min played in nba, 0 min of playing basketball in 2 years and was way better basketball player than Jah Okafor and Noel after 2 and 3 years of "developing". They, at that point had 103 ( Jah) and 193 ( Noel) games played. Spoiler alert : playing 30 min a game during that period did nothing for rest of their careers, as both are marginal backups to this date.

It’s not about expecting any of them to become stars, but about hoping they have the time and opportunity to post some inflated numbers that gets other teams interested in them so they can increase their value and we can move them for upgrades or better fitting pieces. Being on RSCs, they’re our most valuable trade pieces dollar for dollar.

The other way to increase their value is for them to be getting minutes on a good team, like Boston’s current stock of bench youth. But with Vuc and Fournier taking 20fgas a game we have no chance of being a good team. We’re the worst ranked offense and defense so it’s not like the young guys are going to be learning good behaviours off Vuc and Fournier in these conditions anyway.

[drsd]

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[Xatticus]

The moaning is mostly because it’s boring and uninspiring play from what we have left where Cole, Chuma and Bamba are the only players who have a hope of playing outside of expectations. But even in our current situation Bacon and Birch are putting up more shots on some/most nights.

Cole Anthony is averaging 32 mpg in last 8 games. Isn't what all you want ? Watching 20 y.o. player "develop" ?
18 min for Okeke after not playing in month.

Bamba is 3rd year player that is only tied with Magic in any way or fashion for 1 year. Sometimes it's just best to cut losses and let it go.

Once again, if you want to tank, witch i do at this point, i'm fine with whatever gets a job done. I don't care.

Not a single guy from bunch you mentioned ( Bamba, Okeke, Cole) will learn anything from it because it's not competitive basketball, team is running top 10 worst offense ,defense, points differential & Bamba and Okeke are 23 and far too old to "learn" anything basketball related that they didn't do during their youth,teen and adolescence in last 10 years playing basketball. Same happend in our first failed rebuild where Payton, Gordon Hezonja, Harris and Dipo peaked in their year 3 or 4 (22 y.o. pretty much sets what you will be for rest of a career ) . We have trackrecord of 4-5 years to follow their "development" after to notice that nobody actaully got significantly better after that age. Few got worst.

But nobody wants to talk about reality, let' keep pretending that development of young players is putting dead body in Lazarus pit.

It's hilarious to even entertain idea that players learn anything while running like fools on 10-72 wins team by "playing".
Joel Embiid rolled from bed, with 0 min played in nba, 0 min of playing basketball in 2 years and was way better basketball player than Jah Okafor and Noel after 2 and 3 years of "developing". They, at that point had 103 ( Jah) and 193 ( Noel) games played. Spoiler alert : playing 30 min a game during that period did nothing for rest of their careers, as both are marginal backups to this date.

It’s not about expecting any of them to become stars, but about hoping they have the time and opportunity to post some inflated numbers that gets other teams interested in them so they can increase their value and we can move them for upgrades or better fitting pieces. Being on RSCs, they’re our most valuable trade pieces dollar for dollar.

The other way to increase their value is for them to be getting minutes on a good team, like Boston’s current stock of bench youth. But with Vuc and Fournier taking 20fgas a game we have no chance of being a good team. We’re the worst ranked offense and defense so it’s not like the young guys are going to be learning good behaviours off Vuc and Fournier in these conditions anyway.

Yeah... that's not going to happen. We were 22-32 at the deadline two years ago with Vucevic a free agent to be and this front office sat on their hands. I have no expectation that Weltman will do anything substantive from here until the day he is told to clean out his office. Remember... trades are hard. Anytime you do anything, you run the risk that someone might criticize you. It's far easier to do nothing and tell people that everything is going to plan.

[BadMofoPimp]

I wonder if Cliff gets fired before the season ends at this rate.

[Bensational]

Cole Anthony is averaging 32 mpg in last 8 games. Isn't what all you want ? Watching 20 y.o. player "develop" ?
18 min for Okeke after not playing in month.

Bamba is 3rd year player that is only tied with Magic in any way or fashion for 1 year. Sometimes it's just best to cut losses and let it go.

Once again, if you want to tank, witch i do at this point, i'm fine with whatever gets a job done. I don't care.

Not a single guy from bunch you mentioned ( Bamba, Okeke, Cole) will learn anything from it because it's not competitive basketball, team is running top 10 worst offense ,defense, points differential & Bamba and Okeke are 23 and far too old to "learn" anything basketball related that they didn't do during their youth,teen and adolescence in last 10 years playing basketball. Same happend in our first failed rebuild where Payton, Gordon Hezonja, Harris and Dipo peaked in their year 3 or 4 (22 y.o. pretty much sets what you will be for rest of a career ) . We have trackrecord of 4-5 years to follow their "development" after to notice that nobody actaully got significantly better after that age. Few got worst.

But nobody wants to talk about reality, let' keep pretending that development of young players is putting dead body in Lazarus pit.

It's hilarious to even entertain idea that players learn anything while running like fools on 10-72 wins team by "playing".
Joel Embiid rolled from bed, with 0 min played in nba, 0 min of playing basketball in 2 years and was way better basketball player than Jah Okafor and Noel after 2 and 3 years of "developing". They, at that point had 103 ( Jah) and 193 ( Noel) games played. Spoiler alert : playing 30 min a game during that period did nothing for rest of their careers, as both are marginal backups to this date.

It’s not about expecting any of them to become stars, but about hoping they have the time and opportunity to post some inflated numbers that gets other teams interested in them so they can increase their value and we can move them for upgrades or better fitting pieces. Being on RSCs, they’re our most valuable trade pieces dollar for dollar.

The other way to increase their value is for them to be getting minutes on a good team, like Boston’s current stock of bench youth. But with Vuc and Fournier taking 20fgas a game we have no chance of being a good team. We’re the worst ranked offense and defense so it’s not like the young guys are going to be learning good behaviours off Vuc and Fournier in these conditions anyway.

Yeah... that's not going to happen. We were 22-32 at the deadline two years ago with Vucevic a free agent to be and this front office sat on their hands. I have no expectation that Weltman will do anything substantive from here until the day he is told to clean out his office. Remember... trades are hard. Anytime you do anything, you run the risk that someone might criticize you. It's far easier to do nothing and tell people that everything is going to plan.

Oh yeah. I fully expect them to keep this team as intact as possible and hope they can add a generational talent to a fringe playoff team and make a big jump. At most maybe Fournier or Ross get moved.

I’ve already stopped watching most games. I might just stop all together and start watching the Pelicans.