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Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Magic Expected To Retain Core

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#441 » by JBSouthpaw » Thu Feb 4, 2021 12:33 pm

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Just saw this, knew Vuc was shooting well from the top of the key but that's some fine company


Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


Are you knocking him and the coaching for taking mostly open 3s? Isn't that the idea of the sport?

HE"S GETTING 4.3 OPEN LOOKS AT 3s and killing it!
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Post#442 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 12:53 pm

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Just saw this, knew Vuc was shooting well from the top of the key but that's some fine company


Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


It's funny how that "context" was never mentioned in year Brook Lopez was shooting 36,5% for 3 on 12ppg and everybody was up in arms how we could replace Vuc with him and "nothing would change" and how Brook is better.

Needless to say, Lopez was wide open in almost all 3s he made that year.

Vuc should take wide open 3s because he has the highest percentage among all magic players of sucess from that looks. 47,5% is elite. For comparison, gordon took 118 threes last year wide open, shot 33% from it.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#443 » by basketballRob » Thu Feb 4, 2021 1:05 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
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Just saw this, knew Vuc was shooting well from the top of the key but that's some fine company


Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


It's funny how that "context" was never mentioned in year Brook Lopez was shooting 36,5% for 3 on 12ppg and everybody was up in arms how we could replace Vuc with him and "nothing would change" and how Brook is better.

Needless to say, Lopez was wide open in almost all 3s he made that year.

Vuc should take wide open 3s because he has the highest percentage among all magic players of sucess from that looks. 47,5% is elite. For comparison, gordon took 118 threes last year wide open, shot 33% from it.
AG also expends energy on both ends of the court. Plus takes a lot of open full court shots.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#444 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 4, 2021 1:09 pm

Bensational wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
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Just saw this, knew Vuc was shooting well from the top of the key but that's some fine company


Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.




Ridiculous take...it’s not like anyone is cheating off of Vuc to double our other big scoring threats. Not daring him to shoot like we’ve seen Fultz and Payton.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#445 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Feb 4, 2021 1:22 pm

"It was easy," VanVleet said. "No disrespect to the Magic. But I mean, for most of those, I was open.

Hahah when a player says no disrespect they 1000% mean disrespect.
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Post#446 » by jonbob17 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:42 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:"It was easy," VanVleet said. "No disrespect to the Magic. But I mean, for most of those, I was open.

Hahah when a player says no disrespect they 1000% mean disrespect.


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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#447 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:54 pm

Real move here would be to fire Martins or remove him from basketball operations and also take Welham with him out of Orlando. I don't think the FO has the will to do it though.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#448 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 2:54 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Bensational wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
Read on Twitter


Just saw this, knew Vuc was shooting well from the top of the key but that's some fine company


Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


Are you knocking him and the coaching for taking mostly open 3s? Isn't that the idea of the sport?

HE"S GETTING 4.3 OPEN LOOKS AT 3s and killing it!

I know right. "i should wait a second and let them get in position" lol

the point is always to get an open shot... and for a big that trails a play... centers that are defending will sink into the paint initially to defend... just to remember... "damn it... vuc will pop it from 3". And for some it's better to give him that than let a player get to the rim without the second line of defense.... but Vuc just continues to put it on em!
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#449 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:24 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:"It was easy," VanVleet said. "No disrespect to the Magic. But I mean, for most of those, I was open.

Hahah when a player says no disrespect they 1000% mean disrespect.


Suprising? They were "guarding " him with Cole Anthony.

But hey, according to people here he is "good" on defense, and not "terrible"



we are 3 min into a game and he is already throwing defense by being clueless who he is guarding ,even in inbound play.
Second play looks better until you look frame by frame what he did, Birch ended up from filling paint to running like a fool 20 foot on Siakam, just to get undercut by Cole who rotates on Siakam for no reason ( 23,6% three point shooter) by leaving Vleet (38,3% shooter) and despite all that Birch STILL makes decent recovery but ofc he late.

But remember folks, Birch sucks. Guy literally flew in one possession to contest 3 different players, being undercut by own player twice in same play.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#450 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:58 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
Bensational wrote:
Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


Are you knocking him and the coaching for taking mostly open 3s? Isn't that the idea of the sport?

HE"S GETTING 4.3 OPEN LOOKS AT 3s and killing it!

I know right. "i should wait a second and let them get in position" lol

the point is always to get an open shot... and for a big that trails a play... centers that are defending will sink into the paint initially to defend... just to remember... "damn it... vuc will pop it from 3". And for some it's better to give him that than let a player get to the rim without the second line of defense.... but Vuc just continues to put it on em!


"But Centers have no value in today's NBA" -attributed to every fan of other teams proposing ORL trade Vuc for a late first and expirings (to their team, of course).
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Post#451 » by Last Guardian » Thu Feb 4, 2021 6:40 pm

I think its funny the fans (on this site anyway) saw this coming years ago and were all in on tanking but the professionals in charge couldn't see it. None of us pro rebuilding like losing, its just a logical way to improve the team in the long run.
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Post#452 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Feb 4, 2021 6:40 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Bensational wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
Read on Twitter


Just saw this, knew Vuc was shooting well from the top of the key but that's some fine company


Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


Are you knocking him and the coaching for taking mostly open 3s? Isn't that the idea of the sport?

HE"S GETTING 4.3 OPEN LOOKS AT 3s and killing it!
Ben is always there to discredit anything vooch does. :lol:
Yes the name of the sport is getting open looks and said player making those shots. Vooch is beasting and having another all’s star season. I’d love for them to move Fournier and AG, tank, and come into next season with Vooch, JI, Markelle and hopefully a really good pick.
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Post#453 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Feb 4, 2021 8:36 pm

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A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#454 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:00 pm

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Post#455 » by drsd » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:03 pm

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Let me translate: Carter-Williams is still injured.



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Post#456 » by Ducklett » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:37 pm

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Let me translate: Carter-Williams is still injured.



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Incorrect translation detected...
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Repairing...
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New Translation: Coach Steve Clifford, with help from historically great RealGM poster Pepe, have decided that Cole Anthony is pure trash and his minutes will be funneled into Frank "Point Guard version of Khem Birch" Mason. Cole and Bamba will not be on the sidelines as they will be in the back streaming COD: Warzone on Twitch.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#457 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:46 pm

Ducklett wrote:
drsd wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Read on Twitter


Let me translate: Carter-Williams is still injured.



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Incorrect translation detected...
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Repairing...
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New Translation: Coach Steve Clifford, with help from historically great RealGM poster Pepe, have decided that Cole Anthony is pure trash and his minutes will be funneled into Frank "Point Guard version of Khem Birch" Mason. Cole and Bamba will not be on the sidelines as they will be in the back streaming COD: Warzone on Twitch.


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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#458 » by Bensational » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:50 pm

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Bensational wrote:
penny_nz wrote:
Read on Twitter


Just saw this, knew Vuc was shooting well from the top of the key but that's some fine company


Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


Are you knocking him and the coaching for taking mostly open 3s? Isn't that the idea of the sport?

HE"S GETTING 4.3 OPEN LOOKS AT 3s and killing it!


No, I’m saying it’s not that impressive when the rest of his offensive game (16 OTHER fgas) he’s one of the lowest ranked TS high volume players - and he’s a C.

Vuc’s 3pt shooting when a defender is just 4-6ft close to him drops down to 32% on 1.8 attempts a game. That’s what will happen if teams decide to respect Vuc’s shooting more.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#459 » by pepe1991 » Thu Feb 4, 2021 9:59 pm

Bensational wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
Bensational wrote:
Context matters. Vuc is shooting almost all of his 3s completely wide open and undefended (4.3 attempts a game) because teams are willing to give him the shot instead of in the paint.

When Vuc is defended his %s are still as subpar as they’ve always been.


Are you knocking him and the coaching for taking mostly open 3s? Isn't that the idea of the sport?

HE"S GETTING 4.3 OPEN LOOKS AT 3s and killing it!


No, I’m saying it’s not that impressive when the rest of his offensive game (16 OTHER fgas) he’s one of the lowest ranked TS high volume players - and he’s a C.

Vuc’s 3pt shooting when a defender is just 4-6ft close to him drops down to 32% on 1.8 attempts a game. That’s what will happen if teams decide to respect Vuc’s shooting more.


On this pic alone, Bojan and Paul have worst TS%.
Most centers still don't shoot, you have zion on pic, and he took around 155 of 177 shots inside 10 feet. There was period of time when Deandre Jordan led league in true shooting percentage and FG% because odds are, if you never take anything but dunk, you won't miss many of those shots.

You cherrypick a lot when it comes to trying to trash Vuc at every angle you got. Why don't you mention stats of Gordon and his shooting? How about starting PG and his? or starting PF and his? :roll:

"Vuc is not that great"....compared to ...Steph Curry and Duncan Robinson? :D
"Gorodn, defenetly great year"... yet to crack top 70 in scoring, top 100 in efficiency or top 100 in any category worth talking about.

I don't want to start fights with you, done fair share of it in past, but Vuc is very good at making 3s for a center, matter of fact best in the league. Being "best " at something is very hard in proffesional league.
You try to disscredit him by saying "but his shot worst when defender got closer" , yeees, but he also makes most of his shots when he is wide open, and that's execlly right time to take those shots. Players SHOULD NOT take shots when they are heavily contested.

Vuc made more wide open 3s at better sucess rate ( much better) than Gordon; Cole Anthony, Bacon and Clark combined.
Why don't you invest time into talking how trully awful they are insted on focusing to cherrypick and angling how "it's not as good as it sounds" when in facts it is. Guy literally made 45 of 95 threes wide open. Fultz, in full season made 30 in 107 attempes ( 28%) .

I can find your old posts, where you soul and xat were busting your nuts ons 12 ppg /36,5% for 3 of Brook Lopez while never taking anything but wide open 3s.
Now, when Vuc is way better than that, you are angling " well actually it's not that good". Shut up, it is. Vuc is fine. Vuc's biggest downfall is that he is loyal to a team that tried to find his replacment 3 times and failed each time drafting or signing complete busts.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Where do we go from here? 

Post#460 » by Def Swami » Thu Feb 4, 2021 10:02 pm

Over/under 4.5 games before Clifford starts Frank Mason?

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