Bears 2019/20; George McCaskey is on the clock

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

That’s too much. Lol!!!

No. For a top 5 QB who is 25.

Until you get a top QB it doesn’t matter what you have. All the top QBs are the ones in the post season every year.

He’s not a top 5 QB. And that’s my problem with all of the hype.

And before you ask, Mahomes, Jackson, Rodgers, Wilson, Rosen without having to think all that hard.

Rosen?

[Betta Bulleavit]

No. For a top 5 QB who is 25.

Until you get a top QB it doesn’t matter what you have. All the top QBs are the ones in the post season every year.

He’s not a top 5 QB. And that’s my problem with all of the hype.

And before you ask, Mahomes, Jackson, Rodgers, Wilson, Rosen without having to think all that hard.

Rosen?

Played MVP caliber football this year for the Bills and took them to the AFC championship game.

Dammit. Josh Allen. My bad...

[dice]

That’s too much. Lol!!!

No. For a top 5 QB who is 25.

Until you get a top QB it doesn’t matter what you have. All the top QBs are the ones in the post season every year.

He’s not a top 5 QB. And that’s my problem with all of the hype.

And before you ask, Mahomes, Jackson, Rodgers, Wilson, Rosen without having to think all that hard.

PFF avg. QB ratings over past 3 seasons*

89.6 mahomes
89.4 wilson
88.3 rodgers
87.9 brady
86.4 brees
86.3 jackson
85.5 watson

82.5 cousins
81.1 ryan
80.8 stafford

*2 seasons in the case of jackson

allen (who i assume you meant rather than rosen) just had his first excellent season after 2 bad seasons, so i'd like some confirmation on that one. and obviously brees is not better than watson at this stage. nor do i think that many people would take brady over watson even if just for the 2021 season. so it's not hard to make a case for watson as a top fiver right now. or top 3 to start a franchise with

[Jcool0]

And before you ask, Mahomes, Jackson, Rodgers, Wilson, Rosen without having to think all that hard.

Little high for Jackson.

[Betta Bulleavit]

So let’s say then that you’d argue that Watson is a top 5 QB. You’d still have to come around to the question of what he’s done with the teams that he’s had? I think that’s a valid question because we wouldn’t be getting him for free. He’d be coming with a massive contract that would likely limit our ability to put pieces around him AND we’d have to sacrifice draft capital, which would further the aforementioned issue. I just don’t think he’s so good that you mortgage the farm to get him. Otherwise, our results will likely be no better than what we’ve seen with him on the Texans. Right?

[dice]

So let’s say then that you’d argue that Watson is a top 5 QB. You’d still have to come around to the question of what he’s done with the teams that he’s had? I think that’s a valid question because we wouldn’t be getting him for free. He’d be coming with a massive contract that would likely limit our ability to put pieces around him AND we’d have to sacrifice draft capital, which would further the aforementioned issue. I just don’t think he’s so good that you mortgage the farm to get him. Otherwise, our results will likely be no better than what we’ve seen with him on the Texans. Right?

in the nfl, a deal that's good in a vacuum is very likely to be good period. it either improves you in the short and/or long term or it doesn't

but yes, a great QB w/ a bad supporting cast will result in a bad team. an elite nfl QB is not nearly as important as an elite nba player. it would require a whole lot of assets traded, however, to make it difficult to build a contender around watson at some point

[Jcool0]

So let’s say then that you’d argue that Watson is a top 5 QB. You’d still have to come around to the question of what he’s done with the teams that he’s had? I think that’s a valid question because we wouldn’t be getting him for free. He’d be coming with a massive contract that would likely limit our ability to put pieces around him AND we’d have to sacrifice draft capital, which would further the aforementioned issue. I just don’t think he’s so good that you mortgage the farm to get him. Otherwise, our results will likely be no better than what we’ve seen with him on the Texans. Right?

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[chicagoballer]

I am a fan of Watson over Lamar Jackson. If I was the Ravens GM, I would try to get 2-3 first round picks and swap QBs. The Texans wont get a better QB in return.

Lamar relies on legs too heavily for me. If he has a game when you can shut that down, he is a below average QB. One hard hit can slow him down the rest of a game. I dont just want an athlete for a QB. I want someone who can make reads and smart decisions.

Also, bears are not getting Watson. We cant make a reasonable offer and why would he even want to come here. The organization's leadership is questionable, coach and GM maybe fired soon, and we maybe in a full rebuild.

[nomorezorro]

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If this is true you got to pony up and make a run.

Don’t know that Jets and Fins have the def waive players to make the trade work of this is what the Texans really want.

i'll do this and send off roquan...my preference would be to keep johnson just because replacing a cb would be a real pain, but if push comes to shove i want a qb so bad

[Chi town]

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If this is true you got to pony up and make a run.

Don’t know that Jets and Fins have the def waive players to make the trade work of this is what the Texans really want.

i'll do this and send off roquan...my preference would be to keep johnson just because replacing a cb would be a real pain, but if push comes to shove i want a qb so bad

Roquon is obvious because he’s about to get paid big money and we can’t pay him and Watson.

I agree. I’d hate to lose Johnson.

The way Pace works magic in the later rounds I could see the Bears making it work and still reloading in the draft.

[MalagaBulls]

Derek Carr rumors now starting. He has 2 years left at 20M per. I would do 2 1sts to LV for him. CAP hit is low enough and you can resign ARob.

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[DuckIII]

That’s because they took on Goff’s contract.

That’s part of it, but I can’t recall a single 1st rounder being traded to salary dump in the NFL. And Goff is mediocre, but not a complete bust. So to me, the 3rd was close to that salary offset. So roughly 2 1sts for Stafford?

Goff's contract is that large. It's a proper price to pay.

And he’s been subpar the last 2 seasons and downright terrible the second half of this season. He wouldn’t have even been the starter next year. McVey hated him.

So from the Rams perspective it was: (1) their backup quarterback; (2) massive salary relief; and (3) two firsts and a third. For Matt Stafford.

That’s why it’s hard to use the Rams’ package as a baseline for other packages. They were desperate to get out from under Goff.

[Chi town]

No way I’m giving 2 1sts for Carr.

I’d rather go w a rookie QB in the draft or sign Winston.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

This we didn't pick up Trubisky's 5th year option, correct? And this was his last season under contract? If so, its going to be interesting to see what Pace does. With Pace on the hot seat, its hard to see us going into next season with Nick Foles.

I'm going to assume that they go after a QB and its looking like Pace will need to spend some draft capital to accomplish that, whether its someone like Watson or trading up in the draft.

[Dresden]

No way I’m giving 2 1sts for Carr.

I’d rather go w a rookie QB in the draft or sign Winston.

I'd second that. I like Carr a lot, but he's no spring chicken, and with what we'd have to pay him, you'd really need him to be able to carry the team, and I don't think he's in that category. I'd also rather do whatever we could to get a QB in the first round, and try to develop him, and hope for the best.

[AKfanatic]

Rumors swirling that the Bears may be trading for Wentz.....


Nick Foles must be licken his chops

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First of all, who is this dude?

if we avoided giving up the future, I'm actually OK with this. Pace is the last person who should be making the choice, but he should act on conviction. This is a broken record. But the Bears were in no position to pay a massive contract and give up all our future picks for Watson. There is no way out of hell after you enter gentlemen.

[CjayC]

Wentz would be my 3rd choice behind Watson, then Carr I guess. I wonder what's the price in terms of draft capital? And obviously with Wentz's contract you hope last year was just an aberration for him.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I guess we're just taking all of the Eagle QB rejects? Isn't Wentz really injury prone?

[fleet]

the idea of entering into a bidding war for WENTZ though, Ryan Pace, this is your life.