2020-2021 Regular Season Game 23: Chicago Bulls (8-12) at Orlando Magic (8-14)

[KillMonger]

btw Clifford said Okeke was held on 18 min so he can play back to back today.
But hey, remember guys, Clifford hates young players because in 10 years of coaching he didn't play 3 bums. Monk, Bum and Vonleh.

Now when i think about it, this forum would cry for not playing Biyombo more " lottery pick, more talented than Vuc" some of you even said it when we got Bizbum Bumyumbo

jesus man, while you're down there shine his shoes too

Jesus man, what a mindblowing concept of coach trying to win. Never heard of that one before

don't be naive clifford had nothing to do with that....we been playing the same way since he's got here....we did not win the game because he made some game winning adjustment or anything....Bulls just had a worse gameplan they didn't double vuc and he destroyed them

[pepe1991]

jesus man, while you're down there shine his shoes too

Jesus man, what a mindblowing concept of coach trying to win. Never heard of that one before

don't be naive clifford had nothing to do with that....we been playing the same way since he's got here....we did not win the game because he made some game winning adjustment or anything....Bulls just had a worse gameplan they didn't double vuc and he destroyed them

Perspective.
2 orlando Magic starters aveliable, with 3 starters and 2 bench rotation players hurt, and rookie, non lottery PG beat Bulls team that only missed 1 player.

Bulls just changed coach this summer....and got worst... Because it's not guy in suit who plays but 8 -9 men who are on the floor. And coaching is still most overrated aspect of basketball. Most of modern basketball comes to makes and misses from 3 and having more talent than opponent.
Every time you cry for coaching change, remember who is NBA championship coach this year. Magic former coach. Irony is too strong to add anything to that fact.
I had to google it up to see who is even Clippers and Nets coach this days, doesn't matter Kawhi and Durant will get them to second round of playoffs at worst.

[drsd]

Let's Go Magic!

Really nice win. Another win against Chicago and the Magic will be back above a 40% win rate!

I really like these "series" games. I hope they are kept next year.

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[basketballRob]

It's an easy game when the other team doesn't play defense.

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[Skybox]

Vuc is a beast. He willlight you up outside every night but if you’re weak inside- he'll go down low and run a low-post clinic. For critics to say he’s the problem is just

Yes, he’s high-volume with ORL and wouldn’t score 40 on BOS or BRK but the point is...he could if you don’t account for him. That’s how rings are won...alternate looks, more options than you can use every night, star-level guys taking a step back as needed. The rest of this team is a joke right now but blame Vuc or trade him for two picks in the 20’s because “Center position is dead”

F**k tanking, make trades for prospects that have skills we need. We have guys like AG that could help others better than he helps us. Get some young creators. I don’t care much for Lavine BBIQ but, like Beal or Booker, he can score anytime he wants...we haven’t had that level of selfish awesomeness since TMac. Move Bamba if you’re not going to play him...recent thread about Terrence Davis or similar...btw, Birch looked great, credit due.

[tiderulz]

gonna laugh come draft time if we miss out on the player we want or tier of players, being 1 game off

[KillMonger]

Jesus man, what a mindblowing concept of coach trying to win. Never heard of that one before

don't be naive clifford had nothing to do with that....we been playing the same way since he's got here....we did not win the game because he made some game winning adjustment or anything....Bulls just had a worse gameplan they didn't double vuc and he destroyed them

Perspective.
2 orlando Magic starters aveliable, with 3 starters and 2 bench rotation players hurt, and rookie, non lottery PG beat Bulls team that only missed 1 player.

Bulls just changed coach this summer....and got worst... Because it's not guy in suit who plays but 8 -9 men who are on the floor. And coaching is still most overrated aspect of basketball. Most of modern basketball comes to makes and misses from 3 and having more talent than opponent.
Every time you cry for coaching change, remember who is NBA championship coach this year. Magic former coach. Irony is too strong to add anything to that fact.
I had to google it up to see who is even Clippers and Nets coach this days, doesn't matter Kawhi and Durant will get them to second round of playoffs at worst.

Brother no matter what you say clifford does NOT escape his part in this disaster, the dysfunction is top to bottom why is clifford getting a pass from you? you actually think the multiple people questioning clifford is coming from nowhere? are people making stuff up? like come on man, it's not working...yeah a big part of that is the roster...but what about the way we play basketball? you see nothing wrong with that? we play like we're in the 90's.....nothing wrong with that? clifford is not responsible for the way we play basketball is that what you're saying? come on man....dude is also perpetuating the nepotism this franchise has a problem with...like did we really need to acquire Dwayne Bacon? or did clifford want to get one of his former players a check?

i'm sorry man, nobody is getting a pass from me at this point from the owners on down......The owners who are just content with mediocrity...Alex martins that can't seem to stay out of his own way influencing basketball decisions when he should just stick to what he knows and that's the business side of things.....To basketball ops, weltham who are content with running it back every year and sitting on their hands until they're forced to make a decision....To the coach who helped us get to mediocrity but can't progress beyond that because he hasn't stepped into the 21st century....To the medical staff that can't seem to get anything right with our players.....bringing players back from injury early.....suggesting no surgery but then having to end up getting surgery anyway...

Everybody is getting the smoke from me, i just let clifford have it because to me he's the problem at hand.....

[Skybox]

Funny to me how Alex Martins, who probably hasn't been to work in 3 years, still gets blamed for everything. I'm not defending the guy, I just think it's become one of those reflexes some here have developed...like "Buddy Ball" and "we didn't try for Doncic" and "they hate our freedom"

[BCS]

gonna laugh come draft time if we miss out on the player we want or tier of players, being 1 game off

Not going to laugh as at this point its expected. So many years and we never learn, there is only 2 things to get me excited for this team, good enough to contend for a championship or bad enough to be hopeful and excited for who we pick up in the draft. Compete for the top or bottom. But we just decide to stick in the middle and go nowhere. With the injuries this is a perfect year to get a top draft pick the way the Warriors did last year and be a lot more competitive next year especially when the top players in this draft fill our missing piece but the organization is short sighted and does not see the big picture.

[VFX]

gonna laugh come draft time if we miss out on the player we want or tier of players, being 1 game off

Prepare to laugh

[The Real Dalic]

don't be naive clifford had nothing to do with that....we been playing the same way since he's got here....we did not win the game because he made some game winning adjustment or anything....Bulls just had a worse gameplan they didn't double vuc and he destroyed them

Perspective.
2 orlando Magic starters aveliable, with 3 starters and 2 bench rotation players hurt, and rookie, non lottery PG beat Bulls team that only missed 1 player.

Bulls just changed coach this summer....and got worst... Because it's not guy in suit who plays but 8 -9 men who are on the floor. And coaching is still most overrated aspect of basketball. Most of modern basketball comes to makes and misses from 3 and having more talent than opponent.
Every time you cry for coaching change, remember who is NBA championship coach this year. Magic former coach. Irony is too strong to add anything to that fact.
I had to google it up to see who is even Clippers and Nets coach this days, doesn't matter Kawhi and Durant will get them to second round of playoffs at worst.

Brother no matter what you say clifford does NOT escape his part in this disaster, the dysfunction is top to bottom why is clifford getting a pass from you? you actually think the multiple people questioning clifford is coming from nowhere? are people making stuff up? like come on man, it's not working...yeah a big part of that is the roster...but what about the way we play basketball? you see nothing wrong with that? we play like we're in the 90's.....nothing wrong with that? clifford is not responsible for the way we play basketball is that what you're saying? come on man....dude is also perpetuating the nepotism this franchise has a problem with...like did we really need to acquire Dwayne Bacon? or did clifford want to get one of his former players a check?

i'm sorry man, nobody is getting a pass from me at this point from the owners on down......The owners who are just content with mediocrity...Alex martins that can't seem to stay out of his own way influencing basketball decisions when he should just stick to what he knows and that's the business side of things.....To basketball ops, weltham who are content with running it back every year and sitting on their hands until they're forced to make a decision....To the coach who helped us get to mediocrity but can't progress beyond that because he hasn't stepped into the 21st century....To the medical staff that can't seem to get anything right with our players.....bringing players back from injury early.....suggesting no surgery but then having to end up getting surgery anyway...

Everybody is getting the smoke from me, i just let clifford have it because to me he's the problem at hand.....

Not really sure how you want a coach to stop "Coaching like it's the 90's" when he has a roster that plays like they're from the 90's. Our best shooter is a C who most here don't even appreciate ffs. We have two elite shooters in Fournier and Vuc. Then we have guys who can hit open 3's at a decent clip in Ross and Cole. Then we have mediocre shooters in AG and Ennis. Then we have bad shooters like Fultz, MCW, Birch, Clark, Bacon, Aminu, etc. Don't want to judge Okeke on this yet since it's still early and he hasn't played much yet. But he seems to be at least mediocre to decent at shooting.

That's on the FO to bring us to modern day basketball with a modern day roster. But no, they just draft for wingspans and try to teach wingspan players basketball later.

I don't care about Bamba. He's lazy, undisciplined, and made of glass. I'm glad someone like that isn't being gift-wrapped minutes because of where the two monkeys in the FO's drafted him. I was against it then, I still am now. It was a stupid pick that should have never been made with a clearly superior player already on the roster playing at his position.

I only bring Bamba up because he's the only young player to not be playing on this roster that everyone keeps bringing up since they can't point to other young players not getting PT.

[The Real Dalic]

gonna laugh come draft time if we miss out on the player we want or tier of players, being 1 game off

Prepare to laugh

My guess is we finish in the 9-11 seed in the East and get the number 8-10th pick in the draft. Not great.

[Skybox]

When did this happen in the world that it was only relevant to be a fan of a sports team subject to parameters that limit you to like 3 teams out of 30. Very few teams win rings. One a year, I think. Bad teams can get interesting. Interesting teams can get good. Good teams can get better. Very good teams can become contenders. It's incremental progress. WTF happened here to make this THE thing to do as a "fan"? I'm all for bold moves and "moneyball" team building based on innovative plans and young, exciting coaches (none of which we have) but blowing everything up as the solution to everything but a ring is fantasy BS.

young 'uns growing up with too many cheat codes, I guess.

[The Real Dalic]

When did this happen in the world that it was only relevant to be a fan of a sports team subject to parameters that limit you to like 3 teams out of 30. Very few teams win rings. One a year, I think. Bad teams can get interesting. Interesting teams can get good. Good teams can get better. Very good teams can become contenders. It's incremental progress. WTF happened here to make this THE thing to do as a "fan"? I'm all for bold moves and "moneyball" team building based on innovative plans and young, exciting coaches (none of which we have) but blowing everything up as the solution to everything but a ring is fantasy BS.

young 'uns growing up with too many cheat codes, I guess.

I would normally agree with you. And had it only been Isaac that was out for the year, I'd be right there with you. But for this year only, with all the injuries to major pieces (cause the players we're missing aren't just replacable bit players) it makes no sense to even try for the playoffs. It really doesn't.

The Bucks made us look miserable last season. And that was with Fultz on the court. Now we're missing Isaac and Fultz. What do you think is gonna happen if we, by some miracle, make the playoffs?

We're so decimated with injuries, I truly doubt we can even make the playoffs. So what will end up happening is that we'll get the 11th seed, lower our draft chances, not make the playoffs. Pick 7th in the draft, barely miss out on a superstar rookie, repeat next season with the same team and a new role player rookie. So we'd just be the 5th seed as the absolute best result. Likely 6th or under though.

This is with Ross and Vuc in their 30's now as well. They aren't getting any younger. And Vuc needs help.

[Skybox]

When did this happen in the world that it was only relevant to be a fan of a sports team subject to parameters that limit you to like 3 teams out of 30. Very few teams win rings. One a year, I think. Bad teams can get interesting. Interesting teams can get good. Good teams can get better. Very good teams can become contenders. It's incremental progress. WTF happened here to make this THE thing to do as a "fan"? I'm all for bold moves and "moneyball" team building based on innovative plans and young, exciting coaches (none of which we have) but blowing everything up as the solution to everything but a ring is fantasy BS.

young 'uns growing up with too many cheat codes, I guess.

I would normally agree with you. And had it only been Isaac that was out for the year, I'd be right there with you. But for this year only, with all the injuries to major pieces (cause the players we're missing aren't just replacable bit players) it makes no sense to even try for the playoffs. It really doesn't.

The Bucks made us look miserable last season. And that was with Fultz on the court. Now we're missing Isaac and Fultz. What do you think is gonna happen if we, by some miracle, make the playoffs?

We're so decimated with injuries, I truly doubt we can even make the playoffs. So what will end up happening is that we'll get the 11th seed, lower our draft chances, not make the playoffs. Pick 7th in the draft, barely miss out on a superstar rookie, repeat next season with the same team and a new role player rookie. So we'd just be the 5th seed as the absolute best result. Likely 6th or under though.

This is with Ross and Vuc in their 30's now as well. They aren't getting any younger. And Vuc needs help.

I don't disagree with any of that. I want to trade AG and Evan and Bamba yesterday. I want to go all in for Beal or MIN pick. I don't want to trade Vuc for picks in the 20's or "dump salary" on a guy who will be great again next year with Fultz, Isaac, and whoever we draft. I don't care if we lose games while making bold moves with questionable high-ceiling moves based on better fit and/or undiscovered talent...What I can't stand is the whining and "here we go again" crying when our team actually plays well or, even worse, the "good job" when they play like s**. There are some on here that apparently don't think any of our players are NBA-worthy and there's no hope for progress with our team. I'm not blind, they suck but why why why would anybody spend so much time and effort only focusing on the negatives. I'm disgusted with how much time I've spent here lately, but it's all about trades, changes, analysis not just (1) login (2) type "we won-there's no hope" (3) blame WeHam, Martins, Ghost of Devos, Shaq, Skiles whoever (3) crack myself up for dumping on Evan (who's flawed but plays hard and is actually pretty good) or Vuc (for being good but born a Center) or Cole (for playing like a rookie) or Birch (for playing like what he is-a tough, hustling, skill-less fill in, or best yet, injured guys for being injured.

Like why bother is all I'm wondering...go watch the Lakers.

[The Real Dalic]

When did this happen in the world that it was only relevant to be a fan of a sports team subject to parameters that limit you to like 3 teams out of 30. Very few teams win rings. One a year, I think. Bad teams can get interesting. Interesting teams can get good. Good teams can get better. Very good teams can become contenders. It's incremental progress. WTF happened here to make this THE thing to do as a "fan"? I'm all for bold moves and "moneyball" team building based on innovative plans and young, exciting coaches (none of which we have) but blowing everything up as the solution to everything but a ring is fantasy BS.

young 'uns growing up with too many cheat codes, I guess.

I would normally agree with you. And had it only been Isaac that was out for the year, I'd be right there with you. But for this year only, with all the injuries to major pieces (cause the players we're missing aren't just replacable bit players) it makes no sense to even try for the playoffs. It really doesn't.

The Bucks made us look miserable last season. And that was with Fultz on the court. Now we're missing Isaac and Fultz. What do you think is gonna happen if we, by some miracle, make the playoffs?

We're so decimated with injuries, I truly doubt we can even make the playoffs. So what will end up happening is that we'll get the 11th seed, lower our draft chances, not make the playoffs. Pick 7th in the draft, barely miss out on a superstar rookie, repeat next season with the same team and a new role player rookie. So we'd just be the 5th seed as the absolute best result. Likely 6th or under though.

This is with Ross and Vuc in their 30's now as well. They aren't getting any younger. And Vuc needs help.

I don't disagree with any of that. I want to trade AG and Evan and Bamba yesterday. I want to go all in for Beal or MIN pick. I don't want to trade Vuc for picks in the 20's or "dump salary" on a guy who will be great again next year with Fultz, Isaac, and whoever we draft. I don't care if we lose games while making bold moves with questionable high-ceiling moves based on better fit and/or undiscovered talent...What I can't stand is the whining and "here we go again" crying when our team actually plays well or, even worse, the "good job" when they play like s**. There are some on here that apparently don't think any of our players are NBA-worthy and there's no hope for progress with our team. I'm not blind, they suck but why why why would anybody spend so much time and effort only focusing on the negatives. I'm disgusted with how much time I've spent here lately, but it's all about trades, changes, analysis not just (1) login (2) type "we won-there's no hope" (3) blame WeHam, Martins, Ghost of Devos, Shaq, Skiles whoever (3) crack myself up for dumping on Evan (who's flawed but plays hard and is actually pretty good) or Vuc (for being good but born a Center) or Cole (for playing like a rookie) or Birch (for playing like what he is-a tough, hustling, skill-less fill in, or best yet, injured guys for being injured.

Like why bother is all I'm wondering...go watch the Lakers.

I watched last nights game and will continue to watch based solely on Vuc and Cole. The two that won us the game last night. So I'm not necessarily mad at this win or the recent blowout against the Hornets because of how we won and who was the one that led us to the win.

I'm trying not to post too often in game threads lately because I know what you mean and how you feel about people being a buzzkill all the time though. Before this season, I was one of the main ones who called it out because it does get overbearing hearing how much we suck just because someone disagrees with the direction the team's been going.

It seems like ChosenSavior also knows it can be a pretty big buzzkill since he even gave his own positive post in this very thread. Lol

But I pretty much agree with everything you said.

[Skybox]

I would normally agree with you. And had it only been Isaac that was out for the year, I'd be right there with you. But for this year only, with all the injuries to major pieces (cause the players we're missing aren't just replacable bit players) it makes no sense to even try for the playoffs. It really doesn't.

The Bucks made us look miserable last season. And that was with Fultz on the court. Now we're missing Isaac and Fultz. What do you think is gonna happen if we, by some miracle, make the playoffs?

We're so decimated with injuries, I truly doubt we can even make the playoffs. So what will end up happening is that we'll get the 11th seed, lower our draft chances, not make the playoffs. Pick 7th in the draft, barely miss out on a superstar rookie, repeat next season with the same team and a new role player rookie. So we'd just be the 5th seed as the absolute best result. Likely 6th or under though.

This is with Ross and Vuc in their 30's now as well. They aren't getting any younger. And Vuc needs help.

I don't disagree with any of that. I want to trade AG and Evan and Bamba yesterday. I want to go all in for Beal or MIN pick. I don't want to trade Vuc for picks in the 20's or "dump salary" on a guy who will be great again next year with Fultz, Isaac, and whoever we draft. I don't care if we lose games while making bold moves with questionable high-ceiling moves based on better fit and/or undiscovered talent...What I can't stand is the whining and "here we go again" crying when our team actually plays well or, even worse, the "good job" when they play like s**. There are some on here that apparently don't think any of our players are NBA-worthy and there's no hope for progress with our team. I'm not blind, they suck but why why why would anybody spend so much time and effort only focusing on the negatives. I'm disgusted with how much time I've spent here lately, but it's all about trades, changes, analysis not just (1) login (2) type "we won-there's no hope" (3) blame WeHam, Martins, Ghost of Devos, Shaq, Skiles whoever (3) crack myself up for dumping on Evan (who's flawed but plays hard and is actually pretty good) or Vuc (for being good but born a Center) or Cole (for playing like a rookie) or Birch (for playing like what he is-a tough, hustling, skill-less fill in, or best yet, injured guys for being injured.

Like why bother is all I'm wondering...go watch the Lakers.

I watched last nights game and will continue to watch based solely on Vuc and Cole. The two that won us the game last night. So I'm not necessarily mad at this win or the recent blowout against the Hornets because of how we won and who was the one that led us to the win.

I'm trying not to post too often in game threads lately because I know what you mean and how you feel about people being a buzzkill all the time though. Before this season, I was one of the main ones who called it out because it does get overbearing hearing how much we suck just because someone disagrees with the direction the team's been going.

It seems like ChosenSavior also knows it can be a pretty big buzzkill since he even gave his own positive post in this very thread. Lol

But I pretty much agree with everything you said.

Yeah man, I'm not trying to poop rainbows...this team is awful, the FO is boring, if not incompetent, and the season is done. But, there's a few good pieces and plenty of possibilities for change. But I just don't get why someone drops into to say..."looks like we're getting the 12th pick, hope you're happy Martins" as if that's some kind of contribution. Everybody can do what they want...I enjoy Pepe's surgical destruction of every player in the NBA...at least, he puts in the bizarre effort at least he's thinking.

Like, I'm a Dolphin fan who is very excited about Tua...but, there's talk of Deshaun Watson? sign me up