2020-2021 Regular Season Game 24: Chicago Bulls (8-13) at Orlando Magic (9-14)

[Skybox]

I've thought about it, and I've decided that I need to see us lose at least another 250 games with Vuc as our focal point before I'm even willing to entertain the idea that he might be PART of the problem. I'd need 500 more losses to talk about him being THE problem.

"Come on man, look at our team, we're just terrible regardless."

Well yeah, that's very true. But maybe we'd have a better team if we hadn't refused to trade him or let him go. We can say we haven't "built around" Vuc, and that he just happens to always wind up our "best" player. We can call it whatever we want, but the roster construction has been impacted by the refusal to part with him. Are you a big man that just got drafted or traded to the Magic? I hope you didn't plan on playing.

The opposite is true...In Vuc's tenure, they brought in (Modern Center) Biyombo and BENCHED Vuc...he quickly showed how absurd that was. They didn't even try to move (modern big) Ibaka to Center before they backtracked. Then they drafted Bamba, who hasn't flirted with replacing Vuc...I don't think WeHam came in with the idea of Vuc still being here. Vuc's play (and the mayhem, mistakes, and injuries that have surrounded him) have made it unthinkable for WeHam to get rid of the one piece they have been able to count on (despite their efforts)...WeHam are probably more frustrated by this than any of us and they are probably rooting for your and Xatticus' efforts to dissect a mountain with a scalpel, despite the obvious fallacy.

[pepe1991]

I don't give a f*** is Vuc traded or not, but blaming him for this team is as ridicilous as it gets.
We play 5 deep bench players in rotation. Esencially, with Isaac, Fultz and Gordon out, 3 of 5 starters are out and they sink $38M of cap space with them.

Vuc is good player, but he won't save you. Nobody would tho, it happend to T mac ( no i don't compare them). When you have 1 good player and you put crap around him what do you expect? IF he puts stats you call it stat padding, if he does not you call it sucking.

This is execlly reason why every small market team loses star, they got sick and tired of nonsense. Put Vuc on Celtics, Nets, Warriors, Mavericks, Bucks, Raptors, Spurs, Blazers and they are exponentionally better than they are.
Main reason why Magic don't trade him is because they know they have nobody ready to step in his shoes. You can like or dislike that line of thinking, it's up to you, but that's literally the only reason why he is with team.

As far as " let's try to do it for xy amount a games " , once again, you can't have 1 above average player on a whole roster and blame him that team sucks. It's a team sport. Even in full strenght Magic have 1 allstar caliber player, Vučević. Others are disposable bodies and role players. Vuc isn't superstar but is damn good center, one of best actually. Nobody else on Magic roster is top 8 at his position, not even close.