The Washington Football Team Thread

[Dat2U]

The WFT relative success against this mauling defense of Tampa Bay does speak well for keeping Heinicke in some capacity. Maybe he earns a starting job in training camp. You never know. Yeah KC has a wounded offensive line, but Washington has pretty much always had a jerryrigged offensive front, Hogs excepted.

I'm not sure his frame would allow him to go 16 games but for certain you resign him. He certainly flashed more than Kyle in his stint. He release looks re-worked and much quicker since his one start years ago. I wonder if that played into his recent success?

Ideally I'd want him as our backup. His presence shouldn't stop them for looking for a #1 QB this offseason. As we've seen, an injury at that position changes everything.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

The WFT relative success against this mauling defense of Tampa Bay does speak well for keeping Heinicke in some capacity. Maybe he earns a starting job in training camp. You never know. Yeah KC has a wounded offensive line, but Washington has pretty much always had a jerryrigged offensive front, Hogs excepted.

I'm not sure his frame would allow him to go 16 games but for certain you resign him. He certainly flashed more than Kyle in his stint. He release looks re-worked and much quicker since his one start years ago. I wonder if that played into his recent success?

Ideally I'd want him as our backup. His presence shouldn't stop them for looking for a #1 QB this offseason. As we've seen, an injury at that position changes everything.

Took your advice and watched some Wilson clips. Wow, what an arm. Reminds me of Mahomes

[gambitx777]

Heard some sam darnold talk? Thoughts

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[Ruzious]

The WFT relative success against this mauling defense of Tampa Bay does speak well for keeping Heinicke in some capacity. Maybe he earns a starting job in training camp. You never know. Yeah KC has a wounded offensive line, but Washington has pretty much always had a jerryrigged offensive front, Hogs excepted.

I'm not sure his frame would allow him to go 16 games but for certain you resign him. He certainly flashed more than Kyle in his stint. He release looks re-worked and much quicker since his one start years ago. I wonder if that played into his recent success?

Ideally I'd want him as our backup. His presence shouldn't stop them for looking for a #1 QB this offseason. As we've seen, an injury at that position changes everything.

Took your advice and watched some Wilson clips. Wow, what an arm. Reminds me of Mahomes

Ok, if you, Dat, and TGW are that sold on him, let's go all in on Wilson.

[Dat2U]

Heard some sam darnold talk? Thoughts

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Pass. I'm not a fan of QBs that see ghosts. I think he'd be better here than in NYJ but honestly I wasn't that high on him coming out. Good arm talent but makes alot of questionable decisions when pressured.

My rankings of available QBs

Tier 1
1. Zach Wilson
2. DeShaun Watson
3. Dak Prescott
4. Trevor Lawrence

Tier 2
4. Marcus Mariota
5. Jameis Winston
6. Ryan Fitzpatrick
7. Teddy Bridgewater - may be available.
7. Jacoby Brissett
8. Mitch Trubisky

I throw the kitchen sink at Zach Wilson. Go up and get the 2nd pick in the draft if you have too. Give them all the picks they want but keep the players.

I assume DeShaun won't be available right away. If everything else fails, you can circle back and see if Houston is willing to move him. I'd give up Payne but I'd hesitate to give up anything else player wise.

Dak is my immediate fallback if Zach is unattainable. He's going to be pricey tho.

I assume Trevor is not available.

The 2nd group are short term solutions that would be relatively inexpensive and allow us to move on a year later if it doesn't work out. I'd go for relatively younger guys who may still have some unlocked potential and avoid giving up major assets. Maybe Jameis fixes the interception bug. Maybe Mariota fixes his accuracy issues. Ryan, Teddy or Jacoby would all be solid vets who have flaws but can be relied upon.

Worst thing we can do IMO is spend capital such as 1st round pick(s) on guys like Carr, Garappolo or Darnold.

[Ruzious]

Heard some sam darnold talk? Thoughts

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Pass. I'm not a fan of QBs that see ghosts. I think he'd be better here than in NYJ but honestly I wasn't that high on him coming out. Good arm talent but makes alot of questionable decisions when pressured.

My rankings of available QBs

Tier 1
1. Zach Wilson
2. DeShaun Watson
3. Dak Prescott
4. Trevor Lawrence

Tier 2
4. Marcus Mariota
5. Jameis Winston
6. Ryan Fitzpatrick
7. Teddy Bridgewater - may be available.
7. Jacoby Brissett
8. Mitch Trubisky

I throw the kitchen sink at Zach Wilson. Go up and get the 2nd pick in the draft if you have too. Give them all the picks they want but keep the players.

I assume DeShaun won't be available right away. If everything else fails, you can circle back and see if Houston is willing to move him. I'd give up Payne but I'd hesitate to give up anything else player wise.

Dak is my immediate fallback if Zach is unattainable. He's going to be pricey tho.

I assume Trevor is not available.

The 2nd group are short term solutions that would be relatively inexpensive and allow us to move on a year later if it doesn't work out. I'd go for relatively younger guys who may still have some unlocked potential and avoid giving up major assets. Maybe Jameis fixes the interception bug. Maybe Mariota fixes his accuracy issues. Ryan, Teddy or Jacoby would all be solid vets who have flaws but can be relied upon.

Worst thing we can do IMO is spend capital such as 1st round pick(s) on guys like Carr, Garappolo or Darnold.

Of the second tier, I like Mariota and Bridgewater the best - realizing they're not gun-slingers who are going win games by themselves, but they won't make crippling mistakes. If you put a good team around them, they will win.

But if we're going to spend major assets to acquire a QB, don't get a medium QB who's no better than Cousins was - get a really good one - preferably a rookie who is NOT raw - which is why I wouldn't go for Trey Lance.

[TGW]

I would draft Lance if he was available at #19, but he's not. This year there's a major premium on QBs. The WFT should wait until next year when there's less of a demand.

[gambitx777]

I mean darnold and Menshew should be available and I doubt they cost a first. Maybe a 3ed or less and I'd be ok with that.

Also not trying to sign any older vets either we need a future. I like mitch, I wouldn't go after dak or teddy to be honest. Honestly I like the kid we traded for last year. It all comes down to Alex smith. Who is just as good as any of those vets when healthy.

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[Ruzious]

My gut feeling is they settle for Mac Jones. Unfortunately, I see him as a poor man's Cousins. Nightmare scenario is that they trade up to get him. I'm not sure he's even better than Kyle Allen - at least Allen has more mobility. Same size, same ok arm.

[gambitx777]

Yeah stick with Kyle allen I mean we need some stuff for sure. Some beef for the O line, a running back, another WR to be honest. Maybe a boost to the secondary ?

My gut feeling is they settle for Mac Jones. Unfortunately, I see him as a poor man's Cousins. Nightmare scenario is that they trade up to get him. I'm not sure he's even better than Kyle Allen - at least Allen has more mobility. Same size, same ok arm.

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[Ruzious]

Yeah stick with Kyle allen I mean we need some stuff for sure. Some beef for the O line, a running back, another WR to be honest. Maybe a boost to the secondary ?

My gut feeling is they settle for Mac Jones. Unfortunately, I see him as a poor man's Cousins. Nightmare scenario is that they trade up to get him. I'm not sure he's even better than Kyle Allen - at least Allen has more mobility. Same size, same ok arm.

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All of the above - plus a stud LBer and a second TE.

[doclinkin]

My gut feeling is they settle for Mac Jones. Unfortunately, I see him as a poor man's Cousins. Nightmare scenario is that they trade up to get him. I'm not sure he's even better than Kyle Allen - at least Allen has more mobility. Same size, same ok arm.

Super accurate, but he benefitted by having a mismatch receiver on any play. Completion percentage is always more important to me than having a booster rocket arm, but since this FO never really builds an offensive line you have to have someone who either can escape or make decisions quickly and get the ball out. This organization ruins QB confidence by letting them get crushed year after year. Whomever we pick will have to be mentally strong with quick pick-up both in game and with film/playbook etc. Because they won't have time to wander around the pocket and decide what to do.

[Ruzious]

My gut feeling is they settle for Mac Jones. Unfortunately, I see him as a poor man's Cousins. Nightmare scenario is that they trade up to get him. I'm not sure he's even better than Kyle Allen - at least Allen has more mobility. Same size, same ok arm.

Super accurate, but he benefitted by having a mismatch receiver on any play. Completion percentage is always more important to me than having a booster rocket arm, but since this FO never really builds an offensive line you have to have someone who either can escape or make decisions quickly and get the ball out. This organization ruins QB confidence by letting them get crushed year after year. Whomever we pick will have to be mentally strong with quick pick-up both in game and with film/playbook etc. Because they won't have time to wander around the pocket and decide what to do.

It sure didn't help that 4th rounder Saahdiq Charles got injured for the season in the 2nd play of his 1st game. They were very high on him - hopefully he comes back strong. With Scherff, Roullier, and Moses, they have 3 established veterans, and between Martin and Schweitzer they should have a decent guard, but they don't know the LT will be - and that's the key position to protecting the QB. Lucas was just ok when healthy. Christian was a 3rd rounder who hasn't panned out and didn't stay healthy. This is supposed to be a good draft for O-lineman, but will they draft one before the 3rd round? I'm guessing they don't.

[tontoz]

Glad they resigned Heinicke, 2 years $9 million. He proved he deserves a shot. If it doesn't work out no biggie.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30873173/washington-signs-qb-taylor-heinicke-2-year-deal

This year a lot of teams are looking for QBs so we would have to overpay for pretty much anyone. A year or two from now it might be a different story.

[Ruzious]

Glad they resigned Heinicke, 2 years $9 million. He proved he deserves a shot. If it doesn't work out no biggie.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30873173/washington-signs-qb-taylor-heinicke-2-year-deal

This year a lot of teams are looking for QBs so we would have to overpay for pretty much anyone. A year or two from now it might be a different story.

Nice! I'm happy for him - though surprised they went that high, but probably a lot of it is incentives and other unguaranteed money. Great story.

Does this change anything? Probably not.

[LyricalRico]

Glad they resigned Heinicke, 2 years $9 million. He proved he deserves a shot. If it doesn't work out no biggie.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30873173/washington-signs-qb-taylor-heinicke-2-year-deal

This year a lot of teams are looking for QBs so we would have to overpay for pretty much anyone. A year or two from now it might be a different story.

Nice! I'm happy for him - though surprised they went that high, but probably a lot of it is incentives and other unguaranteed money. Great story.

Does this change anything? Probably not.

I like this signing, too. As for what it means, my guess is they've seen enough to pencil him in for at least the backup job. If they were really interested in seeing him compete against Kyle Allen I don't think they'd have gone that much this early. Makes sense to still retain Allen, though - both as insurance and potential trade bait during training camp.

[TGW]

They have to retain Allen, Heineke, and even Smith. They went through 4 quarterbacks last season. They need the ones they already have, and at least two more for training camp IMO.

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[Ruzious]

https://247sports.com/college/oregon/Article/Marcus-mariota-NFL-Trade-Oregon-Ducks-Football-Washington-Football-Team-Las-Vegas-Raiders-160886533/

I love Mariota's mobility and running ability. And he's 6'4 222. As it becomes clear he won't start for the Raiders, it likely becomes clear that they're not going to keep him because of his 10.6 mil salary - which lowers the Raiders' trade leverage.

[tontoz]

I'd be fine with Mariota as long as we don't have to give up much to get him. With him Heinicke and Allen i think we have a good shot at 10 wins next season.