NBA MVP Discussion 20/21 (Fresh poll ➥ Vote)

[parapooper]

The advanced stats suggest that Raymone James should not be leading the MVP race as of today. Anyone putting him on top is doing so purely on name alone.

He's leading in RPM. That might mean he is up there in pure impact stats as well, since his box score numbers aren't absolute top

[Some smartguy]

haters are furious right now



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30827963/which-player-early-lead-nba-mvp-race

emid is lebron's only real comp so far and he's feasting on a terrible eastern conference; the east only has 4 teams at .500 or better




while the west has 10 teams at .500 or better




jokic (13-11), curry (13-11) and luka (12-14) DO NOT belong in any MVP conversations with those mediocre to bad team records

LMAO

[lazybatman]

Jokic and Bron over Embiid because -
- they make their teams better
- both can be available and contribute in clutch

Joker has the better stats & Bron has the better winning record.

nothing wrong with favoring joker or bron, but the bolded is absolutely ridiculous. joel embiid by almost any reliable metric is one of the most drastic individual floor tilters in the league (and of the modern era) and i don't think people understand how skilled and dominant he is

May well be mate.. And I don't follow 76ers or Nugs as much as I do the Lakers.

[trickshot]

The advanced stats suggest that Raymone James should not be leading the MVP race as of today. Anyone putting him on top is doing so purely on name alone.

That and the criteria used to decide all MVPs in the last 10 years bar 2017. The media are doing what they've always done. Embiid and Lebron remain close favourites. Who do you have above those two?

[lazybatman]

Lebron forcing parity against bottom feeders to inflate his minutes / totals / and big time moments to bolster his MVP case. We mustn't let his conniving tactics prevail.

When you're such a master puppeteer you can control outcomes to a tea, so you force going to OT 3 games in a row to gain more traction, excitement and momentum for your MVP race. That intellectual approach of the MVP race is rather unseen. LeBron setting unprecedented new standards. What a time to be alive.

You've seen nothing yet, next game he will force OTs until he has passed Kareem's scoring record.

Aww.. This is so cute.

So what are you planning to do about it now that you've caught him red handed.

Idk if you noticed, but that dude who responded calls himself 'Freightrain'.

[eyeatoma]

haters are furious right now



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30827963/which-player-early-lead-nba-mvp-race

emid is lebron's only real comp so far and he's feasting on a terrible eastern conference; the east only has 4 teams at .500 or better




while the west has 10 teams at .500 or better




jokic (13-11), curry (13-11) and luka (12-14) DO NOT belong in any MVP conversations with those mediocre to bad team records

The media is so clueless. Did 4 people really vote that Embiid was 5th place in MVP voting, and 6 people voted that he was in 4th place? Seriously?

Do they even watch basketball?

[zimpy27]

haters are furious right now



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30827963/which-player-early-lead-nba-mvp-race

emid is lebron's only real comp so far and he's feasting on a terrible eastern conference; the east only has 4 teams at .500 or better




while the west has 10 teams at .500 or better




jokic (13-11), curry (13-11) and luka (12-14) DO NOT belong in any MVP conversations with those mediocre to bad team records

The media is so clueless. Did 4 people really vote that Embiid was 5th place in MVP voting, and 6 people voted that he was in 4th place? Seriously?

Do they even watch basketball?

One person didn't vote LeBron in top 5. I mean at least Embiid was on every ballot.

[Yank3525]

I've never heard more about advanced stats in my life before this season lol LeBron starts getting MVP talks and everyone wants to bring out the advanced stats. Very interesting for sure.

How old are you?

People have brought up advance stats when it comes to Lebron's MVP case for years. All of his MVP's have been backed by the advance numbers and were well deserved. The more hilarious thing is Lebron has been an advance stats darling for years, but now people want to ignore it because the numbers aren't in his favor.

[trickshot]

Last 2 pages must have set a record for most mention of advanced stats without any stats actually being posted.

[HiRez]

If dubs can secure a top 6 seed in the West and Curry keeps this up he would absolutely deserve it.

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Have you seen his team? The second, third, and fourth leading scorers are Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr., and rookie James Wiseman. That team would have the worst record in the league if you replaced Steph with a league average player.

[Castle Black]

Who cares tbh? NBA MVP is the most overrated award in all of sports. It’s completely narrative driven. How many times have we seen the rightful winner screwed over because they didn’t fit the narrative? Too many to remember.

Lebron will probably win it this year. He’a still arguably the greatest player in the world when he wants to be and he’s getting the most push from the media and sportswriters, and that’s really what it’s about. Jokic won’t have a good enough record and Embiid won’t play enough games. Lakers will undoubtedly finish with a top-3 record in the West since they’re stacked. It’s his to lose, even though he most likely doesn’t deserve it based simply in the fact that he’s the only player in the league who has another Top-5 player in the world as his teammate.

[DCasey91]

Here’s my reasons:

Lebron. Top 2 seed in the west (harder than the east) hasn’t missed games and putting up MVP/numbers impact/narrative.

Jokic/Embiid probably the most impactful players in the comp (Embiid has a phenomenal record with the starters so far).
Right now but one has a bad record currently or missed too many games (same with Leonard/Durant).

The dark horses (Curry/Lillard/Doncic) are from too far back in terms of teams standing like Jokic.
But all are putting up MVP type numbers/impact. Lillard had a historic offensive rs season last year and was overlooked. Giannis is Giannis but he isn’t standing out in front of the pack atm (team has performed worse this year).

Lillard could be the darkhorse if his team goes on a run but I doubt that will be enough.

Embiid/James has the best case currently but Embiid most likely will miss too many games.

[trickshot]

Who cares tbh? NBA MVP is the most overrated award in all of sports. It’s completely narrative driven. How many times have we seen the rightful winner screwed over because they didn’t fit the narrative? Too many to remember.

Lebron will probably win it this year. He’a still arguably the greatest player in the world when he wants to be and he’s getting the most push from the media and sportswriters, and that’s really what it’s about. Jokic won’t have a good enough record and Embiid won’t play enough games. Lakers will undoubtedly finish with a top-3 record in the West since they’re stacked. It’s his to lose, even though he most likely doesn’t deserve it based simply in the fact that he’s the only player in the league who has another Top-5 player in the world as his teammate.

Think he wins it this year but actually think it's a myth that he has been shafted out of MVPs. The reason he wins it this year is the same reason the MVPs those years deserved it over him. He didn't outplay Harden, Giannis, Steph or Westbrook in those regular seasons and he didn't have a better team record than them either. Those guys were the better performers on better performing teams (except Westbrook)

Btw Lakers are 4-1 without AD this year, it would probably be different if AD was available and outplaying him on a nightly basis like he did last season

[eyeatoma]

haters are furious right now



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30827963/which-player-early-lead-nba-mvp-race

emid is lebron's only real comp so far and he's feasting on a terrible eastern conference; the east only has 4 teams at .500 or better




while the west has 10 teams at .500 or better




jokic (13-11), curry (13-11) and luka (12-14) DO NOT belong in any MVP conversations with those mediocre to bad team records

The media is so clueless. Did 4 people really vote that Embiid was 5th place in MVP voting, and 6 people voted that he was in 4th place? Seriously?

Do they even watch basketball?

One person didn't vote LeBron in top 5. I mean at least Embiid was on every ballot.

You just proved my point.

[zimpy27]

The media is so clueless. Did 4 people really vote that Embiid was 5th place in MVP voting, and 6 people voted that he was in 4th place? Seriously?

Do they even watch basketball?

One person didn't vote LeBron in top 5. I mean at least Embiid was on every ballot.

You just proved my point.

Yes, that was my intention.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Joel Embiid is the frontrunner imo

[eyeatoma]

One person didn't vote LeBron in top 5. I mean at least Embiid was on every ballot.

You just proved my point.

Yes, that was my intention.

Lol!

[KyRo23]

I've never heard more about advanced stats in my life before this season lol LeBron starts getting MVP talks and everyone wants to bring out the advanced stats. Very interesting for sure.

How old are you?

People have brought up advance stats when it comes to Lebron's MVP case for years. All of his MVP's have been backed by the advance numbers and were well deserved. The more hilarious thing is Lebron has been an advance stats darling for years, but now people want to ignore it because the numbers aren't in his favor.

29 and I hate to say that I’ve watched 85% of his games since he was in HS lol. Don’t try and throw the age thing at me. I’ve never heard about advanced stats this much in an MVP race, especially so early in the season. Maybe during the Curry MVPs but that’s about it.

Go back some pages and go look at the “advanced stats” that had Conley top 5 in the Mvp race. Just laughable

[Roy The Natural]

If dubs can secure a top 6 seed in the West and Curry keeps this up he would absolutely deserve it.

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Have you seen his team? The second, third, and fourth leading scorers are Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr., and rookie James Wiseman. That team would have the worst record in the league if you replaced Steph with a league average player.

The Blazers current roster is worse than that.

[trickshot]

NO. Steph shouldn't enter the conversation until Dubs are at-least top 5 in the entire NBA. Otherwise no! Goes to the best player on the best regular season team.

Have you seen his team? The second, third, and fourth leading scorers are Andrew Wiggins, Kelly Oubre Jr., and rookie James Wiseman. That team would have the worst record in the league if you replaced Steph with a league average player.

The Blazers current roster is worse than that.

he has to be exaggerating. Draymond, Wiseman and Wiggins haven't been bad this season. It's the rest of the roster that's garbage.

Also, Embiid tearing Portland up