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[WargamesX]

ngl, pretty bummed about the Mavs 4 game win streak

yeah, i'm betting on them to hedge our competitive play this year

just looked at the standings and theyre now 9th of 15 in the West. before the 4 game win streak they were 14th

We need Melo and Portland to save us

If Portland wins I won’t talk trash about Melo on here for the rest of the season

[3toheadmelo]

Lavine can shoot and play off the ball, much easier to envision him playing within a team concept with better players around him.

His scoring efficiency is Curry/LeBron level this year. Westbrook is bottom of the league for his usage.

Look at how much shots are off the ball. The amount of open looks he’ll get next to Randle would be insane.

Watch on YouTube

A Randle / LaVine core is the most mid team imaginable, why do you want this for us? I can just see Randle in a park saying we got Zach LaVine, a perimeter beast and how they scared now.

Imagine going into a playoff series against the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers with a capped out team built around those two.

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

[god shammgod]

dario>ayton lol

[Chanel Bomber]

Lavine can shoot and play off the ball, much easier to envision him playing within a team concept with better players around him.

His scoring efficiency is Curry/LeBron level this year. Westbrook is bottom of the league for his usage.

Look at how much shots are off the ball. The amount of open looks he’ll get next to Randle would be insane.

Watch on YouTube

A Randle / LaVine core is the most mid team imaginable, why do you want this for us? I can just see Randle in a park saying we got Zach LaVine, a perimeter beast and how they scared now.

Imagine going into a playoff series against the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers with a capped out team built around those two.

One must point out that a Randle-Lavine duo is insanely efficient in terms of scoring, but puts a lot of pressure on the front office to put the right mix of players around them because of their deficiencies. I tend to believe that guys with a high TS% can be conducive to winning in the right environment.

Randle and Lavine just need very specific pieces around them to let their games speak and impact winning. Not impossible, but that would require an understanding of basketball too nuanced for this FO I assume.

[knickstape4ever]

Look at how much shots are off the ball. The amount of open looks he’ll get next to Randle would be insane.

Watch on YouTube

A Randle / LaVine core is the most mid team imaginable, why do you want this for us? I can just see Randle in a park saying we got Zach LaVine, a perimeter beast and how they scared now.

Imagine going into a playoff series against the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers with a capped out team built around those two.

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

I don't see how we're getting Lavine w/o giving up RJ or IQ

Obi and a couple 1sts isn't getting it done

[3toheadmelo]

dario>ayton lol

[3toheadmelo]

A Randle / LaVine core is the most mid team imaginable, why do you want this for us? I can just see Randle in a park saying we got Zach LaVine, a perimeter beast and how they scared now.

Imagine going into a playoff series against the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers with a capped out team built around those two.

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

I don't see how we're getting Lavine w/o giving up RJ or IQ

Obi and a couple 1sts isn't getting it done

• Obi Toppin
• Elfrid Payton (expiring)
• Austin Rivers (team option)
• Frank Ntilikina (restricted free agent)
• Kevin Knox
• 2021 Detroit Pistons 2nd (#31)
• 2022 New York Knicks 1st
• 2023 Dallas Mavericks 1st (Top 10 Protected)
• 2024 New York Knicks 1st round pick (swap option)

[thebuzzardman]

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

I don't see how we're getting Lavine w/o giving up RJ or IQ

Obi and a couple 1sts isn't getting it done

• Obi Toppin
• Elfrid Payton (expiring)
• Austin Rivers (team option)
• Frank Ntilikina (restricted free agent)
• Kevin Knox
• 2021 Detroit Pistons 2nd (#31)
• 2022 New York Knicks 1st
• 2023 Dallas Mavericks 1st (Top 10 Protected)
• 2024 New York Knicks 1st round pick (swap option)

Since we won't act like Frank or Knox are # 1's anymore, but Toppin is still possibly a 1st round pick,

FOUR?! #1 picks and a high 2nd rounder for LaVine?

I like him, but thanks, no thanks, at that price.

[3toheadmelo]

I don't see how we're getting Lavine w/o giving up RJ or IQ

Obi and a couple 1sts isn't getting it done

• Obi Toppin
• Elfrid Payton (expiring)
• Austin Rivers (team option)
• Frank Ntilikina (restricted free agent)
• Kevin Knox
• 2021 Detroit Pistons 2nd (#31)
• 2022 New York Knicks 1st
• 2023 Dallas Mavericks 1st (Top 10 Protected)
• 2024 New York Knicks 1st round pick (swap option)

Since we won't act like Frank or Knox are # 1's anymore, but Toppin is still possibly a 1st round pick,

FOUR?! #1 picks and a high 2nd rounder for LaVine?

I like him, but thanks, no thanks, at that price.

Well what would you give up?

[knickstape4ever]

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

I don't see how we're getting Lavine w/o giving up RJ or IQ

Obi and a couple 1sts isn't getting it done

• Obi Toppin
• Elfrid Payton (expiring)
• Austin Rivers (team option)
• Frank Ntilikina (restricted free agent)
• Kevin Knox
• 2021 Detroit Pistons 2nd (#31)
• 2022 New York Knicks 1st
• 2023 Dallas Mavericks 1st (Top 10 Protected)
• 2024 New York Knicks 1st round pick (swap option)

So Basically Obi and 2 1st's and a 2nd? no way that gets done

you're not even offering any of our 2021 picks which will be higher than our 2022 pick. those very well could be 2 mid-late 1sts (probably in the 18-25 range)

Knox and Frank have very little value. as do Payton and Rivers

and why would they want Obi? they have Lauri (he'll be a RFA but still he's very good) and they have Williams who they just drafted who's played a lot of minutes this season at PF

Bulls ain't trading Lavine to a in-conference team for our scraps

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Look at how much shots are off the ball. The amount of open looks he’ll get next to Randle would be insane.

Watch on YouTube

A Randle / LaVine core is the most mid team imaginable, why do you want this for us? I can just see Randle in a park saying we got Zach LaVine, a perimeter beast and how they scared now.

Imagine going into a playoff series against the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers with a capped out team built around those two.

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

Kawhi isn't coming here bro, just not happening. It's currently freezing rain and sleet, you think he's leaving San Diego weather for this?

A LaVine, Randle, IQ and RJ core simply isn't good enough, especially when you consider that the best teams in the East are all fairly young cores too.

[knickstape4ever]

I don't see how we're getting Lavine w/o giving up RJ or IQ

Obi and a couple 1sts isn't getting it done

• Obi Toppin
• Elfrid Payton (expiring)
• Austin Rivers (team option)
• Frank Ntilikina (restricted free agent)
• Kevin Knox
• 2021 Detroit Pistons 2nd (#31)
• 2022 New York Knicks 1st
• 2023 Dallas Mavericks 1st (Top 10 Protected)
• 2024 New York Knicks 1st round pick (swap option)

Since we won't act like Frank or Knox are # 1's anymore, but Toppin is still possibly a 1st round pick,

FOUR?! #1 picks and a high 2nd rounder for LaVine?

I like him, but thanks, no thanks, at that price.

you wouldn't do that? I would, and I'm team tank/be sellers not buyers

the only things of value are: Obi, our 2022 2nd (which if we get Lavine won't be a lottery pick next yr), and the Mavs pick in 2023 (which is protected top10 already)

the 2024 pick swap would probably be meaningless b/c we're an ascending team and the Bulls after trading Lavine would be rebuilding even more

[knickstape4ever]

A Randle / LaVine core is the most mid team imaginable, why do you want this for us? I can just see Randle in a park saying we got Zach LaVine, a perimeter beast and how they scared now.

Imagine going into a playoff series against the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers with a capped out team built around those two.

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

Kawhi isn't coming here bro, just not happening. It's currently freezing rain and sleet, you think he's leaving San Diego weather for this?

A LaVine, Randle, IQ and RJ core simply isn't good enough, especially when you consider that the best teams in the East are all fairly young cores too.

yep, Kawhi ain't coming here

I think that core would still make the playoffs but I don't like the fit. Lavine and Randle are best w/ the ball in their hands and so is RJ

[thebuzzardman]

• Obi Toppin
• Elfrid Payton (expiring)
• Austin Rivers (team option)
• Frank Ntilikina (restricted free agent)
• Kevin Knox
• 2021 Detroit Pistons 2nd (#31)
• 2022 New York Knicks 1st
• 2023 Dallas Mavericks 1st (Top 10 Protected)
• 2024 New York Knicks 1st round pick (swap option)

Since we won't act like Frank or Knox are # 1's anymore, but Toppin is still possibly a 1st round pick,

FOUR?! #1 picks and a high 2nd rounder for LaVine?

I like him, but thanks, no thanks, at that price.

Well what would you give up?

I'd take Toppin out of the deal for starters. It might be as little as that, as a change.
Even though the 2021 draft is so good, I might put in the Knicks or Dallas pick - Dallas, if it would get the deal done, so Knicks maintain having a draft pick in 2022.

It's still 3 FRP's and a high 2nd.

If that's not enough, I'd let the Knicks go and enjoy their drafts.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Look at how much shots are off the ball. The amount of open looks he’ll get next to Randle would be insane.

Watch on YouTube

A Randle / LaVine core is the most mid team imaginable, why do you want this for us? I can just see Randle in a park saying we got Zach LaVine, a perimeter beast and how they scared now.

Imagine going into a playoff series against the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers with a capped out team built around those two.

One must point out that a Randle-Lavine duo is insanely efficient in terms of scoring, but puts a lot of pressure on the front office to put the right mix of players around them because of their deficiencies. I tend to believe that guys with a high TS% can be conducive to winning in the right environment.

Randle and Lavine just need very specific pieces around them to let their games speak and impact winning. Not impossible, but that would require an understanding of basketball too nuanced for this FO I assume.

Randle & LaVine just aren't good enough to build around like that, they might put up some nice numbers in the regular season, but to me it always comes back to the playoffs. We'd be putting a cap on our team of maybe the 5th seed at best, because all the other top eastern teams are pretty young too, and you're just not winning a series with LaVine and Randle going against teams who have multiple top 15 players.

[knickstape4ever]

Since we won't act like Frank or Knox are # 1's anymore, but Toppin is still possibly a 1st round pick,

FOUR?! #1 picks and a high 2nd rounder for LaVine?

I like him, but thanks, no thanks, at that price.

Well what would you give up?

I'd take Toppin out of the deal for starters. It might be as little as that, as a change.
Even though the 2021 draft is so good, I might put in the Knicks or Dallas pick - Dallas, if it would get the deal done, so Knicks maintain having a draft pick in 2022.

It's still 3 FRP's and a high 2nd.

If that's not enough, I'd let the Knicks go and enjoy their drafts.

It's Obi, 2 1st round picks (neither likely to be lottery picks), a pick swap (that would be unlikely to occur), and a high 2nd. How could you not do that? it's the Bulls who would laugh us off

we'd be getting Lavine w/o giving up: RJ, IQ, Randle, Mitch, our 2021 1st, Mavs 2021 1st.....those are all our most valuable assets that we'd be keeping (minus Obi, who I'd say is less valuable than the assets listed). the second we acquire Lavine, that 2022 1st becomes less valuable b/c we're most likely a playoff team

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The core would be Randle, RJ, Lavine, IQ and another piece (maybe Kawhi)

Kawhi isn't coming here bro, just not happening. It's currently freezing rain and sleet, you think he's leaving San Diego weather for this?

A LaVine, Randle, IQ and RJ core simply isn't good enough, especially when you consider that the best teams in the East are all fairly young cores too.

yep, Kawhi ain't coming here

I think that core would still make the playoffs but I don't like the fit. Lavine and Randle are best w/ the ball in their hands and so is RJ

I don't want us to be like the Pacers, they have some nice players, but they don't have 1 single top 15 guy and will never come close to winning a title because of it.

We'd be setting ourselves up to be the underboss, and wishing on moves to get real stars here.

[thebuzzardman]

Well what would you give up?

I'd take Toppin out of the deal for starters. It might be as little as that, as a change.
Even though the 2021 draft is so good, I might put in the Knicks or Dallas pick - Dallas, if it would get the deal done, so Knicks maintain having a draft pick in 2022.

It's still 3 FRP's and a high 2nd.

If that's not enough, I'd let the Knicks go and enjoy their drafts.

It's Obi, 2 1st round picks (neither likely to be lottery picks), a pick swap (that would be unlikely to occur), and a high 2nd. How could you not do that? it's the Bulls who would laugh us off

we'd be getting Lavine w/o giving up: RJ, IQ, Randle, Mitch, our 2021 1st, Mavs 2021 1st.....those are all our most valuable assets that we'd be keeping (minus Obi, who I'd say is less valuable than the assets listed). the second we acquire Lavine, that 2022 1st becomes less valuable b/c we're most likely a playoff team

I read the pick swap as a pick trade - so I misread that. But if it was, that's 3 picks. And a high 2nd.

With that trade, you'd have to assume that a "core" of
IQ/Lavine/RJ/Randle and whoever the Knicks probably pick around 12th this year is a "strong contender" because there won't be much in the way of assets to improve the team, without trading the assets already present.

I know LaVine is going to cost, and I acknowledged Knox and Frank are in for salary/sunk costs of the Knicks.
What I perceived was 3 FRP's and a high 2nd AND Obi was a little steep.

I'd rather have a little more flexibility left over. I just pivoted to giving up a pick in 2021 instead of 2022, and keeping Obi. And I was assuming the 2024 pick goes out.

[thebuzzardman]

Kawhi isn't coming here bro, just not happening. It's currently freezing rain and sleet, you think he's leaving San Diego weather for this?

A LaVine, Randle, IQ and RJ core simply isn't good enough, especially when you consider that the best teams in the East are all fairly young cores too.

yep, Kawhi ain't coming here

I think that core would still make the playoffs but I don't like the fit. Lavine and Randle are best w/ the ball in their hands and so is RJ

I don't want us to be like the Pacers, they have some nice players, but they don't have 1 single top 15 guy and will never come close to winning a title because of it.

We'd be setting ourselves up to be the underboss, and wishing on moves to get real stars here.

These guys want to push 90% of the Knicks chips across the table for Zach LaVine.

And I really like Zach Lavine.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

yep, Kawhi ain't coming here

I think that core would still make the playoffs but I don't like the fit. Lavine and Randle are best w/ the ball in their hands and so is RJ

I don't want us to be like the Pacers, they have some nice players, but they don't have 1 single top 15 guy and will never come close to winning a title because of it.

We'd be setting ourselves up to be the underboss, and wishing on moves to get real stars here.

These guys want to push 90% of the Knicks chips across the table for Zach LaVine.

And I really like Zach Lavine.

I wouldn't mind LaVine as long as he's signed with caproom after next season, and we get someone else in this years draft that hopefully can be a top 15 player someday.