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Re: 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#1301 » by clyde21 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:00 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:The way draft Twitter is like “nope, we’re not doing this Kuminga at #1 thing” is so weird to me. He’s clearly a candidate to go #1.


i'm not a Kuminga #1 guy at all but yes, draft twitter is really bad...it's just a circle jerk of know it alls who literally get everything wrong but pretend otherwise.

right now they're pretty set on Cade #1 overall and nothing short of a miracle will change it for them, which is fine, Cade's well worthy of the #1 pick, but the idea that he's so far ahead of guys like Mobley and Suggs that it's not even close is not grounded in reality at all.
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Re: 2021 NBA Draft 

Post#1302 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:03 am

jman3134 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:The way draft Twitter is like “nope, we’re not doing this Kuminga at #1 thing” is so weird to me. He’s clearly a candidate to go #1.


Who on draft twitter specifically?


Vecenie, the Prep2Pro guys, others whose names escape me.
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Post#1303 » by TheBunk » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:06 am

What's the consensus on Bouknight? Is he considered lottery instead of top 7 or 8 guy because of injury concerns? Because he looks like a sure thing to me in the NBA, where most of these non tier 1 guys have question marks.
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Post#1304 » by TheBunk » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:07 am

I'd pencil him in for a couple all star games if health doesn't derail him.
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Post#1305 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:33 am

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AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:The way draft Twitter is like “nope, we’re not doing this Kuminga at #1 thing” is so weird to me. He’s clearly a candidate to go #1.


i'm not a Kuminga #1 guy at all but yes, draft twitter is really bad...it's just a circle jerk of know it alls who literally get everything wrong but pretend otherwise.

right now they're pretty set on Cade #1 overall and nothing short of a miracle will change it for them, which is fine, Cade's well worthy of the #1 pick, but the idea that he's so far ahead of guys like Mobley and Suggs that it's not even close is not grounded in reality at all.


Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a lot of their content, but the degree to which they've dug in on this particular take doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. They've barely seen Kuminga and Green over the last 12 months, and nothing Cade has done, statistically or (imo) based on the eye test, cements #1 status.
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Post#1306 » by Marcus » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:45 am

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:The way draft Twitter is like “nope, we’re not doing this Kuminga at #1 thing” is so weird to me. He’s clearly a candidate to go #1.


i'm not a Kuminga #1 guy at all but yes, draft twitter is really bad...it's just a circle jerk of know it alls who literally get everything wrong but pretend otherwise.

right now they're pretty set on Cade #1 overall and nothing short of a miracle will change it for them, which is fine, Cade's well worthy of the #1 pick, but the idea that he's so far ahead of guys like Mobley and Suggs that it's not even close is not grounded in reality at all.


Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a lot of their content, but the degree to which they've dug in on this particular take doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. They've barely seen Kuminga and Green over the last 12 months, and nothing Cade has done, statistically or (imo) based on the eye test, cements #1 status.


It's one of those "gotta stay on my square" situations. This is the stance they came in with and usually as long as the number one doesn't do anything to knock themselves out of the spot, it's up there and it's stuck there. It's gonna take a Zion level of overlap for any of the others to be acknowledged as a number one over Cade.
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Post#1307 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:54 am

Marcus wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
i'm not a Kuminga #1 guy at all but yes, draft twitter is really bad...it's just a circle jerk of know it alls who literally get everything wrong but pretend otherwise.

right now they're pretty set on Cade #1 overall and nothing short of a miracle will change it for them, which is fine, Cade's well worthy of the #1 pick, but the idea that he's so far ahead of guys like Mobley and Suggs that it's not even close is not grounded in reality at all.


Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a lot of their content, but the degree to which they've dug in on this particular take doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. They've barely seen Kuminga and Green over the last 12 months, and nothing Cade has done, statistically or (imo) based on the eye test, cements #1 status.


It's one of those "gotta stay on my square" situations. This is the stance they came in with and usually as long as the number one doesn't do anything to knock themselves out of the spot, it's up there and it's stuck there. It's gonna take a Zion level of overlap for any of the others to be acknowledged as a number one over Cade.


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Post#1308 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:01 am

clyde21 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:The way draft Twitter is like “nope, we’re not doing this Kuminga at #1 thing” is so weird to me. He’s clearly a candidate to go #1.


i'm not a Kuminga #1 guy at all but yes, draft twitter is really bad...it's just a circle jerk of know it alls who literally get everything wrong but pretend otherwise.

right now they're pretty set on Cade #1 overall and nothing short of a miracle will change it for them, which is fine, Cade's well worthy of the #1 pick, but the idea that he's so far ahead of guys like Mobley and Suggs that it's not even close is not grounded in reality at all.

My "Kuminga #1" senses were tingling. We talking about my guy? Didnt watch today's game, but 23/13 on solid shooting numbers is looking pretty damn good with me haha.

But ya I think you can make a legit argument for Kuminga, Suggs, Mobley, Cade all for the #1 pick. This is just a damn good draft at the top with some serious studs.
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Post#1309 » by jman3134 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:35 am

^ I would put Green in that category. Total toss up at this point.
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Post#1310 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:50 am

jman3134 wrote:^ I would put Green in that category. Total toss up at this point.

Oh ya dont get me wrong, I think it wont take much for Green to play himself into that group.

Just going off of the play from the 3 college guys and from all the reports from Kuminga from the scrimmages and practices from Ignite. Seems like everyone who reported on that club all pretty much came away saying Kuminga was the shining light from that team during that time.

So ya I dont think it will take much for Green to put his name in there as well.
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Post#1311 » by Marcus » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:06 am

It's all crazy at the top. Top five guys look like plug and play parts all with room to grow into what their roles will be and much much larger over time. Also like the pieces throughout the lotto and late first. Just looks like a good class across the board.
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Post#1312 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:30 am

Marcus wrote:It's all crazy at the top. Top five guys look like plug and play parts all with room to grow into what their roles will be and much much larger over time. Also like the pieces throughout the lotto and late first. Just looks like a good class across the board.

All 5 guys wouldve been easy choices as #1 for this past draft. These are my favorite kind of drafts. Unlike last year where everyone was trying to sell themselves on one of the guys being worthy as #1, or the year before that where it was obvious Zion was the #1 pick.

This draft has 4-5 guys that all have legit arguments for that #1 spot. And if Im a team that ends up with a top 5 pick in this class, I am very happy with what Im looking at. And ya the depth on this class is looking solid as well. Fun draft to talk about.
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Post#1313 » by bondom34 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:26 am

Yup, always want to get the top pick but think a team anywhere top 5 right now would be happy seeing who fell to them. And later on even seeing more guys who are plug and play like Kispert there is a plus.
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Post#1314 » by No-Man » Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:06 pm

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Marcus wrote:It's all crazy at the top. Top five guys look like plug and play parts all with room to grow into what their roles will be and much much larger over time. Also like the pieces throughout the lotto and late first. Just looks like a good class across the board.

All 5 guys wouldve been easy choices as #1 for this past draft. These are my favorite kind of drafts. Unlike last year where everyone was trying to sell themselves on one of the guys being worthy as #1, or the year before that where it was obvious Zion was the #1 pick.

This draft has 4-5 guys that all have legit arguments for that #1 spot. And if Im a team that ends up with a top 5 pick in this class, I am very happy with what Im looking at. And ya the depth on this class is looking solid as well. Fun draft to talk about.

yeah no, I'd have taken Melo over everyone but Cade, pretty easily I may add, only doubt could be Suggs, they would have been fighting for #2/3
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Post#1315 » by crows2 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:40 pm

I've had Cade as the obvious number 1 all season but Kuminga has to be in the conversation now after his hot start. Mobley and Green are a comfortable 3 and 4. It's likely all four of them would've been taken at number 1 in last year's draft (although it looks like Ball was underdrafted). Suggs is alone at number 5 this year for me, and I don't think he would've been a pick 1 lock last year. He would've been in the conversation with Edwards, Wiseman and Ball but wouldn't have been the consensus choice in my opinion.
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Post#1316 » by E-Balla » Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:05 pm

With the top 5 I'm going:

1. Jalen Green - Been my #1 since 2018 when I saw him at the U17 win MVP, then he cemented it in 2019. Just saw the game last night this morning and honestly the only comparable first step at his height belongs to MJ. His jumper is also rapidly improving and looks absolutely beautiful now. His base is solid and consistent from different angles. I understand the hangups on him many have though. His shot selection isn't the best and he's not the smartest or strongest player but players with his work ethic and raw scoring ability don't come along often. He's Kobe minus the wiggle with less length and strength but with a first step that's 2nd to MJ. Lowest floor of the group (I mean you take out the first step and add knuckleheadedness and his scouting report reads like that of a young JR Smith) but he's also the only one of them I can see possibly becoming a top 20 player ever. He's the best wing prospect since young KD and has extremely similar flaws.

2. Johnathan Kuminga - He's the best offensive player of the bunch right now if you ask me, which is scary because he's also the youngest and extremely raw. He's a year younger than Cade. His jumper is weak, his defense is suspect, but his first step is good and his handles are good. His post game looks amazing in the G-League so far too and he seems like he'll be a great scorer out the gate. Can possibly be MVP level.

3. Cade Cunningham - Amazing passer, great shooter, great size, not the most athletic, not much wiggle handling the ball, but with these offensive engine types running the league right now I see why everyone has him first. He's kind of like an alternate reality LaMelo. Like they do almost the same things on the court, but in entirely different ways.

4. Jalen Suggs - Brandon Roy without a star mentality but with the added bonus of being an amazing defender. Not a lot to say about him other than that he probably has the highest floor of the bunch.

5. Evan Mobley - Chris Bosh but taller and with great timing for blocking shots. Dude is a gazelle in the open court, his jumper shows a lot of promise, his defense is amazing, and his only issue is that he is incredibly weak. With the resurgence of the big man it's hard to not put him #1. It seems like a ton of amazing bigs are coming along as of late and it's hard to not compare him to Wiseman, Bagley, and Ayton as prospects and remember those guys aren't performing as well as some ball handlers taken in those same drafts.

You can't really go wrong with any guy, I kind of secretly want Dallas and NY to end up with between 8-10 spots in the lotto so we can have a 5% chance of snatching 2 of these guys but I know that'll never happen lol.
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Post#1317 » by MotownMadness » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:34 pm

Jaden Springer has been killing it with higher volume over the last 3 games.

Hes probably my favorite after the top 5 along with Moody.
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Post#1318 » by clyde21 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:32 pm

Springer is probably what Quentin Grimes should have been
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Post#1319 » by NO-KG-AI » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:07 pm

I’d love to get Jalen Johson or Scottie Barnes to the Pels.


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Post#1320 » by clyde21 » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:28 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:I’d love to get Jalen Johson or Scottie Barnes to the Pels.

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Franz seems like a better fit to me on the Pels
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