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PaulinVA wrote:I find it comforting (even pleasantly shocking) that we seem at finally HAVE an "asking price," as opposed to all the perpetual "he ain't up for trade!" talk.
payitforward wrote:TGW wrote:payitforward wrote:
I don't know whether they do or don't do that, but the idea that Brown & Hachimura have neutral or negative value is pretty clearly wrong.
Really the question is how we'd be able to pay Collins -- we wouldn't.
How is it clearly wrong, pif? You think Hachimura and Brown have any value other than being cheap bodies? I'll let you in on something...they don't have any value.
And I didn't say they had negative value...that's Bertans.
Right -- sorry....
As to Rui & Brown, we can agree to disagree. I think either one would bring a 2021 R1 pick. It's easy to forget that Troy Brown is still only 21 years old & played extremely well last year. & Rui would draw a lot of interest too -- esp. given the marketing package he brings.
nate33 wrote:PaulinVA wrote:Wizards' asking price for Bradley Beal revealed
"Three different executives, who spoke to the News, defined the price as steep. One longtime GM laid it out specifically: three unprotected first-rounders, two pick swaps, a young player and an expiring contract."
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/wizards_asking_price_for_bradley_beal_revealed/s1_16514_34095653?utm_source=mb&utm_medium=email&mb_edition=20210214&mb_loc=left_h
Yeah, that's pretty much what the market has established following the trades of Davis, George, Jrue and Harden.
Beal’s desired teams include the Pelicans, [Dallas] Mavs, [Miami] Heat, [and] the LA teams, per a league source.”
payitforward wrote:PaulinVA wrote:I find it comforting (even pleasantly shocking) that we seem at finally HAVE an "asking price," as opposed to all the perpetual "he ain't up for trade!" talk.
Welcome to the Board! It's "pleasantly shocking" to have a new participant given how this season has gone!
doclinkin wrote:
Don't know how reliable the source is but here's the link.
https://itsgame7.com/5-teams-besides-wizards-bradley-beal-reportedly-wants-to-play-for/
PaulinVA wrote:I find it comforting (even pleasantly shocking) that we seem at finally HAVE an "asking price," as opposed to all the perpetual "he ain't up for trade!" talk.
queridiculo wrote:PaulinVA wrote:I find it comforting (even pleasantly shocking) that we seem at finally HAVE an "asking price," as opposed to all the perpetual "he ain't up for trade!" talk.
The Wizards do not have an asking price, all of this is based on conjecture and responses to the hypothetical question of "what would it take".
When your sources are yardbarker and other click farms it's really not worth paying any mind to.
nate33 wrote:Dark Faze wrote:Just thinking of a few moves:
Bertans, Hachimura, Brown to Hawks for Collins, Snell, possibly a filler piece.
I think it achieves what the Hawks want all the way around, provided they maximize the talent we give them. If they can get all three guys playing decently well/confidently, then their combined abilities could make up for Collins absence in terms of this years playoff run. They wanted to pay Collins somewhere around 90 million, probably over 4 years, so around 23 million per. The salaries on offer here represent around that value, and there's potential Hachimura could end up being a similarly valuable player to Collins long term if he reaches his ceiling.
For the Wiz, it's minimizing risk of the development of Rui and Brown for the sake of acquiring a long term talent at PF that fits our timeline.
If such a move were to take place, it'd probably be very important to get a Brad for Oubre salary match deal going on, because we'd be in the tax if forced to take on Wiggins in addition to paying a max to Collins.
Hopefully our own top 3 pick + Collins + Minny pick + Wiseman + Deni would put us in a terrific position to rebuild quickly.
I'd be willing to eat a year of paying the lux tax in order to secure those assets if the only way to make the deal happen in the summer is to take on Wiggins, but the problem is due to the Wall trade we wouldn't be able to use a first round pick to move on from Wiggins contract for salary relief--we'd have to offer like a 2027 first given the protections on the Wall pick.
With Bertans off the books, we might be able to pay Westbrook, Wiggins and Collins without paying the luxtax.
Let's see: Westbrook, Wiggins, Collins, Bryant and Avdija total $113M. Our top pick and the Minny pick are another $13M or so. That's $126M. Wiseman is $9M, but I'd like to flip him for another draft pick that might cost $5M. So that's $131M for 8 players. Hmmm. Probably can't stay under.
lastemp3ror wrote:Wouldn't trading Beal increase Westbrook's value? Since the offense would need to rely on Westbrook even more? I see some trade ideas that have Westbrook either being traded before Beal, or with Beal. I think the best idea is to keep Westbrook, let him inflate his numbers more than trade him. I think we can all agree his value is at rock bottom right now, so waiting to trade him has no downside. At worst, his value stays the same and we need to ride his contract out/trade him for pennies. Or his value increases and we get a bit more bang for the buck.
lastemp3ror wrote:Wouldn't trading Beal increase Westbrook's value? Since the offense would need to rely on Westbrook even more? I see some trade ideas that have Westbrook either being traded before Beal, or with Beal. I think the best idea is to keep Westbrook, let him inflate his numbers more than trade him. I think we can all agree his value is at rock bottom right now, so waiting to trade him has no downside. At worst, his value stays the same and we need to ride his contract out/trade him for pennies. Or his value increases and we get a bit more bang for the buck.
prime1time wrote:Only if GM's are being short-sighted. Westbrook's problem isn't that he lacks opportunities. Is that he's playing bad. Beal going won't change that. I think pollyanish to believe that GM's would overlook bad play for inflated numbers.
DCZards wrote:Westbrook’s problem is not that he’s playing bad—it’s that he’s not playing smart often not.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
prime1time wrote:lastemp3ror wrote:Wouldn't trading Beal increase Westbrook's value? Since the offense would need to rely on Westbrook even more? I see some trade ideas that have Westbrook either being traded before Beal, or with Beal. I think the best idea is to keep Westbrook, let him inflate his numbers more than trade him. I think we can all agree his value is at rock bottom right now, so waiting to trade him has no downside. At worst, his value stays the same and we need to ride his contract out/trade him for pennies. Or his value increases and we get a bit more bang for the buck.
Only if GM's are being short-sighted. Westbrook's problem isn't that he lacks opportunities. Is that he's playing bad. Beal going won't change that. I think pollyanish to believe that GM's would overlook bad play for inflated numbers.
Ruzious wrote:payitforward wrote:TGW wrote:How is it clearly wrong, pif? You think Hachimura and Brown have any value other than being cheap bodies? I'll let you in on something...they don't have any value.
And I didn't say they had negative value...that's Bertans.
Right -- sorry....
As to Rui & Brown, we can agree to disagree. I think either one would bring a 2021 R1 pick. It's easy to forget that Troy Brown is still only 21 years old & played extremely well last year. & Rui would draw a lot of interest too -- esp. given the marketing package he brings.
I can't imagine any team would give up a 1st for Brown. He barely plays for a last place team, and when he has played, he's been awful. Nobody's forgot his age or what he did last season, but what he's done this season is more important. Things could change at some point, but right now Rui has far more trade value than Brown.
DCZards wrote:prime1time wrote:Only if GM's are being short-sighted. Westbrook's problem isn't that he lacks opportunities. Is that he's playing bad. Beal going won't change that. I think pollyanish to believe that GM's would overlook bad play for inflated numbers.
Westbrook’s problem is not that he’s playing bad—it’s that he’s not playing smart often not.
When Russ is shooting those jumpers with 10-15 secs left on the shot clock. Well, yes, that’s bad—and stupid.
But when he’s getting to the rim for layups, finding open teammates for easy baskets or pulling down rebounds. Well, that’s the smart Westbrook that is helping the Zards win.
A good coach would make sure Russ stops the stupid shooting and isos—and priotizes those smart things that helps the team on both ends of the court.
pcbothwel wrote:I could see a Masai-type/ballsy GM talking to Beal this offseason and making something like the ATL trade happen (Sign and Trade).
Bertans, Rui, Brown, 2022 unprotected pick swap for Collins (SnT)....
payitforward wrote:Ruzious wrote:payitforward wrote:Right -- sorry....
As to Rui & Brown, we can agree to disagree. I think either one would bring a 2021 R1 pick. It's easy to forget that Troy Brown is still only 21 years old & played extremely well last year. & Rui would draw a lot of interest too -- esp. given the marketing package he brings.
I can't imagine any team would give up a 1st for Brown. He barely plays for a last place team, and when he has played, he's been awful. Nobody's forgot his age or what he did last season, but what he's done this season is more important. Things could change at some point, but right now Rui has far more trade value than Brown.
I suppose this turns on whether you're right that "what he's done this season is more important." I disagree. But, yes, Rui is likely to have more trade value.