Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread

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After Kyrie debacle and having too many chefs in the kitchen, Celtics wanted it this way. Have the Jays and Kemba run the show. But they're not nearly on the same level of Nets three stars. Certainly not in terms of playmaking. And recently not even in efficient shotmaking.

All the more support for the idea of always playing two of them, with the tradeoff of rarely playing all three of them (and hence making one of them into the Sixth Man). And when the one of the three who is the weakest and least versatile defender is also the one who needs the most limitations on his minutes and game count, it's obvious that he's the one who should give up the starting job.

I get what you're saying, but then that really kills any sort of value Kemba could muster up if the goal is to move him eventually...relegating your $34mil player to the bench will do that... tough spot

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After Kyrie debacle and having too many chefs in the kitchen, Celtics wanted it this way. Have the Jays and Kemba run the show. But they're not nearly on the same level of Nets three stars. Certainly not in terms of playmaking. And recently not even in efficient shotmaking.

All the more support for the idea of always playing two of them, with the tradeoff of rarely playing all three of them (and hence making one of them into the Sixth Man). And when the one of the three who is the weakest and least versatile defender is also the one who needs the most limitations on his minutes and game count, it's obvious that he's the one who should give up the starting job.

I get what you're saying, but then that really kills any sort of value Kemba could muster up if the goal is to move him eventually...relegating your $34mil player to the bench will do that... tough spot

I'm not eager to trade him. I think he can be a hugely positive player in a pleasingly high number of games per season. Some nights he'll be unstoppable. Some other nights he'll be stoppable, but only via lineup or scheme contortions that are positive for the Celtics overall. And in bench scenarios there should usually be somebody to hide him on on defense.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Since this team looked decent at 8-3 they have played 19 games since then they have a record of 7-12 and sit at 15-15.

They have 6 more games: Mavs, hawks, Pacers, Wizards Clippers and Raps to finish up the first part of the schedule. They way this team is trending I can see them finishing up 16-20 or 17-19.

[bucknersrevenge]

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After Kyrie debacle and having too many chefs in the kitchen, Celtics wanted it this way. Have the Jays and Kemba run the show. But they're not nearly on the same level of Nets three stars. Certainly not in terms of playmaking. And recently not even in efficient shotmaking.

Nor should we expect them to be at this point. One of our 3 stars is still on his rookie contract while the other is just 24. And the 3rd star is on the tail end of his prime years with chronic knee issues. The unavoidable fact is that it may be another 2-3 years before these 2 are capable of leading a team to a title. We can try to speed up the learning curve by surrounding them with vets but we are young all over this roster.

[bisme37]

I swear this team would be a lot better if the freakin idiot players would just play better.

[zoyathedestroya]

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After Kyrie debacle and having too many chefs in the kitchen, Celtics wanted it this way. Have the Jays and Kemba run the show. But they're not nearly on the same level of Nets three stars. Certainly not in terms of playmaking. And recently not even in efficient shotmaking.

Nor should we expect them to be at this point. One of our 3 stars is still on his rookie contract while the other is just 24. And the 3rd star is on the tail end of his prime years with chronic knee issues. The unavoidable fact is that it may be another 2-3 years before these 2 are capable of leading a team to a title. We can try to speed up the learning curve by surrounding them with vets but we are young all over this roster.

Reset expectations and goals. Be fine with just developing Jays along with Timelord, Nesmith, Pritchard, Langford if he ever hits the floor, Grant.

If we manage to win along the way and reach ECF again, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Still hard not to get frustrated watching this eye sore of a team.

[bucknersrevenge]

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After Kyrie debacle and having too many chefs in the kitchen, Celtics wanted it this way. Have the Jays and Kemba run the show. But they're not nearly on the same level of Nets three stars. Certainly not in terms of playmaking. And recently not even in efficient shotmaking.

Nor should we expect them to be at this point. One of our 3 stars is still on his rookie contract while the other is just 24. And the 3rd star is on the tail end of his prime years with chronic knee issues. The unavoidable fact is that it may be another 2-3 years before these 2 are capable of leading a team to a title. We can try to speed up the learning curve by surrounding them with vets but we are young all over this roster.

Reset expectations and goals. Be fine with just developing Jays along with Timelord, Nesmith, Pritchard, Langford if he ever hits the floor, Grant.

If we manage to win along the way and reach ECF again, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Still hard not to get frustrated watching this eye sore of a team.

Oh 100%

As I replied to you in the other thread, this is the danger or depending on kids. Like Danny said, we're not title contenders right now. We're actually further back in this process than we thought. The natural assumption was that we were further along because we overachieved our way into 3 ECFs in 4 years. Natural progressions says, we make the Finals this year. But we lost Hayward and haven't replaced him yet and Kemba for half his games and added more youth. Right now we are firmly in talent evaluation mode until at the very earliest, the trade deadline, depending on whether or not Kemba makes us believe it's worth taking a shot using the TPE.

Unfortunately for us, a realignment with reality is now necessary. We need to be looking at evaluating the young core guys here to see who's worthy of keeping to surround the Jay's. That means the 2 rookies, Rob, Romeo, and maybe Grant. All names you and I have agreed on.

[zoyathedestroya]

Another note on our offense... The Celtics currently have the 26th slowest average offensive possession in the league. 25th slowest after an opponent made shot and 28th slowest after a defensive rebound.

We love walking the ball up and take forever to get into our half-court actions.

[bucknersrevenge]

Another note on our offense... The Celtics currently have the 26th slowest average offensive possession in the league. 25th slowest after an opponent made shot and 28th slowest after a defensive rebound.

We love walking the ball up and take forever to get into our half-court actions.

I couldn't stop yelling that the other night. Tommy is rolling in his grave. Too passive. No "attack mode" right now. Shocking with a ballhandler like Kemba who has always been in attack mode his entire career but nobody wants to move with any pace. Not sure who or what to blame that on? CBS? Players? Injuries/Covid?

PS Where did you find that stat? I need that one in my life.

[zoyathedestroya]

Another note on our offense... The Celtics currently have the 26th slowest average offensive possession in the league. 25th slowest after an opponent made shot and 28th slowest after a defensive rebound.

We love walking the ball up and take forever to get into our half-court actions.

I couldn't stop yelling that the other night. Tommy is rolling in his grave. Too passive. No "attack mode" right now. Shocking with a ballhandler like Kemba who has always been in attack mode his entire career but nobody wants to move with any pace. Not sure who or what to blame that on? CBS? Players? Injuries/Covid?

PS Where did you find that stat? I need that one in my life.

http://stats.inpredictable.com/nba/ssnTeamPoss.php?season=2020&po=0&frdt=2020-12-22&todt=2021-02-22&view=off

[Darth Celtic]

I think Teague should be traded on or before the trade deadline.

Gives the Celts more cap space to use on the TPE.

There is not a single team that would take him for free.

Celts would have to include cash for another team to take Teague.

signed to min contract, we can just cut him, it won't matter.

[keevsnick1]

There is not a single team that would take him for free.

Celts would have to include cash for another team to take Teague.

signed to min contract, we can just cut him, it won't matter.

If we just cut him his salary counts against the hard cap, that MIGHT matter. Ideally you pay someone to take him and cut him.

[keevsnick1]

The 6th seed Celtics are .5 games above the 7th, 8th and 9 seeded Knicks, Bulls and Hornets and only 1 game above the 10th seed MIA heat.

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After Kyrie debacle and having too many chefs in the kitchen, Celtics wanted it this way. Have the Jays and Kemba run the show. But they're not nearly on the same level of Nets three stars. Certainly not in terms of playmaking. And recently not even in efficient shotmaking.

Nor should we expect them to be at this point. One of our 3 stars is still on his rookie contract while the other is just 24. And the 3rd star is on the tail end of his prime years with chronic knee issues. The unavoidable fact is that it may be another 2-3 years before these 2 are capable of leading a team to a title. We can try to speed up the learning curve by surrounding them with vets but we are young all over this roster.

Reset expectations and goals. Be fine with just developing Jays along with Timelord, Nesmith, Pritchard, Langford if he ever hits the floor, Grant.

If we manage to win along the way and reach ECF again, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Still hard not to get frustrated watching this eye sore of a team.

I refuse to "be fine with just developing the Jays". They've been doing that for 4/5 years. The Jays are at a level to win now with a well built roster and the right coach. I will not simply "be fine" with this. Danny needs to fix this by next season or be gone. Brad should be fired after this season, not because I think he is a bad coach necessarily but because in NBA sometimes it the easiest move to make that can yield a change.

[Parliament10]

Celts would have to include cash for another team to take Teague.

signed to min contract, we can just cut him, it won't matter.

If we just cut him his salary counts against the hard cap, that MIGHT matter. Ideally you pay someone to take him and cut him.

If we can pay someone cash (and not a pick) to take him, then we do it.
Otherwise, Waive him. Either way = Hasta La Vista, Babé.

[Parliament10]

Nor should we expect them to be at this point. One of our 3 stars is still on his rookie contract while the other is just 24. And the 3rd star is on the tail end of his prime years with chronic knee issues. The unavoidable fact is that it may be another 2-3 years before these 2 are capable of leading a team to a title. We can try to speed up the learning curve by surrounding them with vets but we are young all over this roster.

Reset expectations and goals. Be fine with just developing Jays along with Timelord, Nesmith, Pritchard, Langford if he ever hits the floor, Grant.

If we manage to win along the way and reach ECF again, I'd be pleasantly surprised. Still hard not to get frustrated watching this eye sore of a team.

I refuse to "be fine with just developing the Jays". They've been doing that for 4/5 years. The Jays are at a level to win now with a well built roster and the right coach. I will not simply "be fine" with this. Danny needs to fix this by next season or be gone. Brad should be fired after this season, not because I think he is a bad coach necessarily but because in NBA sometimes it the easiest move to make that can yield a change.

You have some valid points here. Danny does need to fix this. Brad needs to adjust too, though. If he can.
Otherwise, "Help Wanted".

[Fierce1]

If we can pay someone cash (and not a pick) to take him, then we do it.
Otherwise, Waive him. Either way = Hasta La Vista, Babé.

Celts will still get a cap hit if he's waived.

He has to be traded.

There's no reason why no team will take him.

As long as the Celts pay them cash, another team under the cap will oblige.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Are Tatum and Brown more Jordan/Pippen or Dame/CJ?

I'm seeing a bunch of POR vibes from this team in the sense that we have two phenomenal players who are getting far in the playoffs, but can't get over that hump. Dame and CJ seem to be in the Playoffs every year, make a good run, but just don't have enough to go all the way.

On the other hand it took the Bulls from 84 when Jordan arrived until 90-91 for them to win the first ring. In the two years prior to that first win they went to the Conf Finals and lost twice in a row to that filthy Pistons team. We know the rest of the story and how they dominated for years after that.

If we track this as Tatum playing the Jordan role, we still have a few years of growing before they really take it all the way. I'm far from giving up on these guys and this team and patience will pay off long term. Just as the Lakers, Celts and Pistons all aged out of contention while the Bulls grew and rose up to take that position, I think we see a similar pathway for the Js and Celts. LeBron, KD and this current group vying for a ring are getting older and will soon be past prime just as our guys are hitting theirs.

[zoyathedestroya]

2nd half of schedule:




Too many national TV games for the least aesthetically pleasing team in the league.

Having said that, 82-0 baby!!

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Brutal second half of the schedule but this team is deep and so well coached I bet they figure it out and only lose 2 or 3 games.