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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#721 » by Mavrelous » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:20 am

Fotis St wrote:
arkuo wrote:If Milwaukee doesn't make it far, and chances are they won't. Jrue Holiday has a player option he can opt out from for this summer.

Is he max worthy? near max?


Bucks fan here on friendly mode.

Would you be interested to swap Khris Middleton with Porzingis ?

KP and Giannis were friends and maybe those 2 all stars (Khris&KP) improve with a change of scenery.

I was thinking about this deal :

Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez and Donte Divincenzo for Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr

What are your thoughts in terms of value and players fit ? Thank you.


Who would score for the Bucks? The only guy able to create his own shot is Middleton...
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#722 » by Teffer10 » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:08 pm

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arkuo wrote:If Milwaukee doesn't make it far, and chances are they won't. Jrue Holiday has a player option he can opt out from for this summer.

Is he max worthy? near max?


Bucks fan here on friendly mode.

Would you be interested to swap Khris Middleton with Porzingis ?

KP and Giannis were friends and maybe those 2 all stars (Khris&KP) improve with a change of scenery.

I was thinking about this deal :

Khris Middleton, Brook Lopez and Donte Divincenzo for Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr

What are your thoughts in terms of value and players fit ? Thank you.

Think I'd go for that as a Mavs fan.
KP and Hardaway are unreliable in different ways and the Mavs would be bringing back some useful players.
Don't see Cuban doing that though because it isn't sexy enough for the Mavs.

I personally think the FO considers KP a building piece that is virtually untouchable.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#723 » by Mike lorenzo » Fri Feb 19, 2021 3:57 pm

I would do this Trade Middleton .. every day ... even if we talk about KP bubble. It basically solves most of our problems. 1 KP health
2 2 "healthy" two-way sword
3 elite defender of the rim.

soon ...
Johnson + Powell + Donte for Hield + Bjelica.

* sign Ilyasova..small paper

Luka / Brunson/Terry
Hield / JRich/Burke
Middleton / DFS /Green
Maxi / Bjelica /Bey
Lopez / WCS/Ilyasova
.. not bad.... Luka and a lot of 3 and D
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#724 » by ozwizard8 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:44 am

arkuo wrote:If Milwaukee doesn't make it far, and chances are they won't. Jrue Holiday has a player option he can opt-out from for this summer.

Is he max worthy? near max?

I think those players are fools gold. A good defender guard is not valuable as people think. Mavs tried this twice with D.Wright and JRich.

Jason Richardson and Jrue Holiday are both have good height and great wingspan for a PG. Perhaps good for the SG position as well.
They're good defenders/rebounders for their size and height.
You can have J.Holiday or J.Richardson. They're not going to offer any better defense than Lou Dort or J.Crowder. You can have the same level of defense from a much cheaper contract.
The difference between those cheap 3&D players and Jrue Holiday suppose to show on offense. However, in modern NBA it does not show for most of the teams.
In Dallas, Jrue Holiday would not be a better option than Doncic to run the offense. In NOP, Ingram-Zion did not need Jrue on offense. So effectively, Jrue Holiday type of guards drop down to a 3&D player. As a 3&D player, they're not elite defenders to Kawhi/Lebron stopper. They're not great 3pt shooters. Their value as an asset is overrated.

Look at J.Richardson. You can sub him with another 3&D player without losing his "guard" skills for offense. Jrue is much better than him but their contribution does not justify the $30m+/year contract.

Jrue, JRich, Rubio, Lonzo Ball are the first defensive PG's comes to my mind. They are not offering too much winning basketball by their own. They can function in a good team like Rubio did in Jazz but they cannot elevate a team. Jrue's performance with NOP was prime example for that.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#725 » by Mavrelous » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:58 am

Josh Richardson, I with Josh shot like Jason :)
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#726 » by Teffer10 » Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:39 pm

Any of these guys interest any of you?

Thad Young
Terrence Ross
Richaun Holmes
Wayne Ellington
Mo Bamba
Clint Capela

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-handful-of-surprise-trade-targets/ar-BB1dSos7?ocid=msedgntp
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#727 » by dirkforpres » Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:50 pm

Teffer10 wrote:Any of these guys interest any of you?

Thad Young
Terrence Ross
Richaun Holmes
Wayne Ellington
Mo Bamba
Clint Capela

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-handful-of-surprise-trade-targets/ar-BB1dSos7?ocid=msedgntp


Not so much Wayne Ellington, since Rick never played him when we had him anyway.. the others would all fit here though
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#728 » by fuller4379 » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:13 am

Any interest in bringing back Quinn Cook?
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#729 » by Apz » Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:27 am

fuller4379 wrote:Any interest in bringing back Quinn Cook?


What for? He 6.1 2ppg scorer this year, would prefer terry minutes instead if we somehow traded burke
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#730 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:31 am

Teffer10 wrote:Any of these guys interest any of you?

Thad Young
Terrence Ross
Richaun Holmes
Wayne Ellington
Mo Bamba
Clint Capela

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-handful-of-surprise-trade-targets/ar-BB1dSos7?ocid=msedgntp


The writer doesn't know what she's talking about. Clint Capella won't be traded and is only making 14m per season.

I would gladly sign Richaun Holmes in free agency. He has said over and over that Sacramento believed in him, gave him his chance, so don't be surprised if he stays loyal to them.

Mo Bamba is being groomed and Orlando seems content taking their time with him. I doubt he's available.

Terrence Ross would fill a void we have. We need scoring. He doesn't have an overwhelming contract considering his production.
2021-22: $12,500,000
2022-23: $11,500,000

Wayne Ellington is a free agent at the end if the season I believe. He doesn't interest me.

Thad Young is a good veteran but at 14m? I will pass.



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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#731 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:33 am

Mike lorenzo wrote:I would do this Trade Middleton .. every day ... even if we talk about KP bubble. It basically solves most of our problems. 1 KP health
2 2 "healthy" two-way sword
3 elite defender of the rim.

soon ...
Johnson + Powell + Donte for Hield + Bjelica.

* sign Ilyasova..small paper

Luka / Brunson/Terry
Hield / JRich/Burke
Middleton / DFS /Green
Maxi / Bjelica /Bey
Lopez / WCS/Ilyasova
.. not bad.... Luka and a lot of 3 and D
Middleton:
2020-21: $33,051,724
2021-22: $35,500,000
2022-23: $37,948,276
2023-24: $40,396,552 {Player Option}

I don't see how we can possibly trade for him. Milwaukee won't want KP since they don't have a need for him.

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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#732 » by ejs78 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:35 am

I've said it a million times

We could have had Holmes for 1/2 the price of Powell in FA that year. Hes better then Powell at everything even before Powells injury yet Mavs went for a "team guy".
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Teffer10 wrote:Any of these guys interest any of you?

Thad Young
Terrence Ross
Richaun Holmes
Wayne Ellington
Mo Bamba
Clint Capela

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-handful-of-surprise-trade-targets/ar-BB1dSos7?ocid=msedgntp


The writer doesn't know what she's talking about. Clint Capella won't be traded and is only making 14m per season.

I would gladly sign Richaun Holmes in free agency. He has said over and over that Sacramento believed in him, gave him his chance, so don't be surprised if he stays loyal to them.

Mo Bamba is being groomed and Orlando seems content taking their time with him. I doubt he's available.

Terrence Ross would fill a void we have. We need scoring. He doesn't have an overwhelming contract considering his production.
2021-22: $12,500,000
2022-23: $11,500,000

Wayne Ellington is a free agent at the end if the season I believe. He doesn't interest me.

Thad Young is a good veteran but at 14m? I will pass.



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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#733 » by HMFFL » Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:45 am

Donnie and Cuban better have a good game plan for Tim Hardaway Jr because he's expiring. If he walks, the trade involving him, and KP won't look any better.

If he's a Maverick past the trade deadline is the plan to offer him a contract in the offseason that pays him 15-18m per season?



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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#734 » by boogiezen » Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:41 am

THJ is not worth 15-18m.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#735 » by agentofatlas » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:06 am

HMFFL wrote:Donnie and Cuban better have a good game plan for Tim Hardaway Jr because he's expiring. If he walks, the trade involving him, and KP won't look any better.

If he's a Maverick past the trade deadline is the plan to offer him a contract in the offseason that pays him 15-18m per season?



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I just hope they realize how bad the talent level on this team is. The fact that Brunson and THJ are sooo critical for the Mavs to win games should be a red flag.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#736 » by fuller4379 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:53 pm

If KP isn’t back soon, the Mavs should shop THJ. Without KP doing like he did last year, we might as well throw up the white flag.

I am not sure what his market value is, but this year is a seller’s market. If we could get back young talent for THJ, they might as well do it.
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Post#737 » by fuller4379 » Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:55 pm

HMFFL wrote:Donnie and Cuban better have a good game plan for Tim Hardaway Jr because he's expiring. If he walks, the trade involving him, and KP won't look any better.

If he's a Maverick past the trade deadline is the plan to offer him a contract in the offseason that pays him 15-18m per season?



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He was considered a negative asset in the trade. Taking on his salary was punishment for getting KP. He has proven though to be a positive asset for the team.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#738 » by dirkforpres » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:24 pm

Read on Twitter


This quote makes me think KP requested the trade. Either way, I’m ready for him to go elsewhere
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#739 » by JD45 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:19 pm

fuller4379 wrote:If KP isn’t back soon, the Mavs should shop THJ. Without KP doing like he did last year, we might as well throw up the white flag.

I am not sure what his market value is, but this year is a seller’s market. If we could get back young talent for THJ, they might as well do it.


I think this is right. THJ has some value. He would be great for a contender looking for a shooter.

The Mavs team is just not working this year. I still expect them to make the bottom of the playoffs, but not do anything when they get there.

I expect THJ to command a good sized contract, which will be a difficult decision from the Mavs if their team is not really playing well together. Better to get something for him now.
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Re: Trade Discussion 20/21 

Post#740 » by JD45 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:21 pm

dirkforpres wrote:
Read on Twitter


This quote makes me think KP requested the trade. Either way, I’m ready for him to go elsewhere


Its possible, but I don't think Cuban and RC would have been so clear about denying talks if that were true. If there have been talks, the denials would have been to not hurt KPs feelings. No need to do that if KP wanted to leave.
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