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Post#641 » by jonbob17 » Thu Mar 4, 2021 2:40 am

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RookieStar wrote:Cade isn't a lead handler? Well yeah he doesn't have the handles of an Irving or even a Fultz type of PG but as a 6'8 PG that can shoot, drive and overpower smaller PGs sent to stop him? He is very good. Cade can lead a team as its general, directing traffic and scoring. If he can't blow by the quicker guards he will shoot over them.


I don't think he's a point guard at all in the NBA.

He feels much more like a big wing who can pass, not a lead guard.


For me, he is in the mold of Ben and Luka.. big dudes that can direct a team. Thus you can have your PG be a scoring guard instead of a distributor. Its understandable though if other people have different views on him.


Cade is the lead ball handler. Call him a SF if you want, like Doncic or Lebron, but the team that gets him will be able be able to play without a traditional (small) PG and create huge size advantages on both sides of the court.
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Post#642 » by Knightro » Thu Mar 4, 2021 3:02 am

jonbob17 wrote:Cade is the lead ball handler. Call him a SF if you want, like Doncic or Lebron, but the team that gets him will be able be able to play without a traditional (small) PG and create huge size advantages on both sides of the court.


I am a big Cade fan, but if you're expecting this you're going to be disappointed. That sort of big PG is what people thought Cunningham was going to be based on HS and AAU, but he really hasn't shown much of that that at OKST.

He is averaging 3.5 APG and 4.2 TOPG as a 19 year old college player. He's only topped 5 assists in a game two times this year.

Luka and LeBron at the same age were averaging 6.0 APG to just 3.5 TO **in the NBA**

Cade has a tremendous upside as a big wing who can really make shots from all levels and also is a good passer a la Paul George or Gordon Hayward, but he's not anywhere close to Luka or LeBron's level.

And that's ok! Because those guys are once in decade kind of guys. Cade could easily become a multi time all-star and on the same planet as those two.
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Post#643 » by RookieStar » Thu Mar 4, 2021 3:19 am

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jonbob17 wrote:Cade is the lead ball handler. Call him a SF if you want, like Doncic or Lebron, but the team that gets him will be able be able to play without a traditional (small) PG and create huge size advantages on both sides of the court.


I am a big Cade fan, but if you're expecting this you're going to be disappointed. That sort of big PG is what people thought Cunningham was going to be based on HS and AAU, but he really hasn't shown much of that that at OKST.

He is averaging 3.5 APG and 4.2 TOPG as a 19 year old college player. He's only topped 5 assists in a game two times this year.

Luka and LeBron at the same age were averaging 6.0 APG to just 3.5 TO **in the NBA**

Cade has a tremendous upside as a big wing who can really make shots from all levels and also is a good passer a la Paul George or Gordon Hayward, but he's not anywhere close to Luka or LeBron's level.

And that's ok! Because those guys are once in decade kind of guys. Cade could easily become a multi time all-star and on the same planet as those two.


Same here. I am.on Team Cade or the Fade for Cade group, but no way would i want him to be the lead handler over Fultz. In spot minutes maybe or in emergencies. Having 2 guys in your lineup that can handle the ball is a luxury not many teams have
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#644 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:02 am

Skybox wrote:Like everyone here, I'm hoping we're in the mix for some star power at the very top of the draft but-if we are not - you got to like Kispert from Gonzaga...deadeye volume shooter, tough and mature (I don't care that he's a senior-I don't want projects unless they're star upside)...on Woj Pod they were comparing him to Joe Harris.
I'd flip AG or Fournier for him in a heartbeat. I wouldn't be surprised if he won ROY next season.

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Post#645 » by basketballRob » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:04 am

Magicfanatic82 wrote:I like Moodys skill set and size. The knocks on him where the same things being said about Booker.
He looks like he may be a better shooter than he's shown. He's always shot 80-90%from the line.

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Post#646 » by jonbob17 » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:28 am

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I am a big Cade fan, but if you're expecting this you're going to be disappointed. That sort of big PG is what people thought Cunningham was going to be based on HS and AAU, but he really hasn't shown much of that that at OKST.

He is averaging 3.5 APG and 4.2 TOPG as a 19 year old college player. He's only topped 5 assists in a game two times this year.

Luka and LeBron at the same age were averaging 6.0 APG to just 3.5 TO **in the NBA**

Cade has a tremendous upside as a big wing who can really make shots from all levels and also is a good passer a la Paul George or Gordon Hayward, but he's not anywhere close to Luka or LeBron's level.

And that's ok! Because those guys are once in decade kind of guys. Cade could easily become a multi time all-star and on the same planet as those two.


I wasn’t suggesting he was Doncic or Lebron, just pointing out that his size or at least height should allow him to play as the primary initiator at the wing.

I am not overly concerned about the assist/TO. The rest of the team is pretty bad, at least as shooters, and he is probably being asked to carry a bit more than his game is ready to handle. The turn overs is a little high at that usage

I am certainly not suggesting he is going to throwing up 30 point triple doubles like the two guys mentioned, but can be the lead ball handler. 20/6/6 from a 6’7 guy who shoots, passes, dribbles, and plays defense is insanely valuable. A lot of the value is team building in nature.
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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#647 » by RookieStar » Thu Mar 4, 2021 4:44 am

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Magicfanatic82 wrote:I like Moodys skill set and size. The knocks on him where the same things being said about Booker.
He looks like he may be a better shooter than he's shown. He's always shot 80-90%from the line.

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Yup to me he looks to be a better shooter than Bouknight but Bouknight is probably the better scorer of the 2. Also, while Moody might have the better measurementa and can effectively play the 2 or 3 compared to.Bouknight who looks like a prototype 2, Bouknight looks way more atheltic and we might need that in the modern NBA where switching a lot is normal.
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Post#648 » by jonbob17 » Thu Mar 4, 2021 9:57 pm

Check out the clip of this 6’10 250lb high school kid(2022 draft class)
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Post#649 » by RookieStar » Thu Mar 4, 2021 10:01 pm

jonbob17 wrote:Check out the clip of this 6’10 250lb high school kid(2022 draft class)
Read on Twitter


Yup, him Chet and Bates are the notable names so far in that draft.

Speaking of... to those Cade doubters and supporters.. he will be facing arguably on of the top teams in the NCAA in Baylor in an hour or 2. Let's see what Cade can do against them and see if our opinions about him are correct or not yeah?
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Post#650 » by RookieStar » Thu Mar 4, 2021 11:19 pm

well regarding to Bates, dunno if he will do a "Bagley" and join the 2022 class... Everything is so fluid nowadays anyway.. better just concentrate on the immediate future and that's Cade and co.
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Post#651 » by Knightro » Fri Mar 5, 2021 2:58 am

Big win tonight for the Wizards. Picked up win No. 14 moving them a full two games ahead of the Magic.
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Post#652 » by RookieStar » Fri Mar 5, 2021 3:07 am

Knightro wrote:Big win tonight for the Wizards. Picked up win No. 14 moving them a full two games ahead of the Magic.


can we realistically overtake DET and HOU? just to be safe from the others..
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Post#653 » by basketballRob » Fri Mar 5, 2021 3:20 am

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Knightro wrote:Big win tonight for the Wizards. Picked up win No. 14 moving them a full two games ahead of the Magic.


can we realistically overtake DET and HOU? just to be safe from the others..
I know Houston plays Minnesota twice, Sacramento, and Detroit. I believe we don't have any games left against the bottom half.

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Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#654 » by Knightro » Fri Mar 5, 2021 3:31 am

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Knightro wrote:Big win tonight for the Wizards. Picked up win No. 14 moving them a full two games ahead of the Magic.


can we realistically overtake DET and HOU? just to be safe from the others..


I think with Houston it all depends on when Christian Wood comes back from his ankle sprain.

They're 8-9 when he plays and just 3-14 when he doesn't.
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Post#655 » by basketballRob » Fri Mar 5, 2021 4:18 am

Looks like Okc will win too, playing all young guys.

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Post#656 » by RookieStar » Fri Mar 5, 2021 4:19 am

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RookieStar wrote:
Knightro wrote:Big win tonight for the Wizards. Picked up win No. 14 moving them a full two games ahead of the Magic.


can we realistically overtake DET and HOU? just to be safe from the others..


I think with Houston it all depends on when Christian Wood comes back from his ankle sprain.

They're 8-9 when he plays and just 3-14 when he doesn't.


How about Dipo? are they or can they trade him.before deadline? If they get something from him with Wood... they xan rack up some wins as well
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Post#657 » by RookieStar » Fri Mar 5, 2021 4:20 am

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Knightro wrote:Big win tonight for the Wizards. Picked up win No. 14 moving them a full two games ahead of the Magic.


can we realistically overtake DET and HOU? just to be safe from the others..
I know Houston plays Minnesota twice, Sacramento, and Detroit. I believe we don't have any games left against the bottom half.

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So.in other words... our losses are sure but it dependa on HOU to win games in order for ua to catch up to them.
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Post#658 » by Knightro » Fri Mar 5, 2021 4:33 am

The Magic don't have a huge amount of games left on the schedule they're going to be favored to win.

They play the Wizards, Rockets and Wolves at home and the Cavs and Pistons on the road.

Outside of those 5 games... they very well may be underdogs in every one of the remaining 31 games :o
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Post#659 » by RookieStar » Fri Mar 5, 2021 5:32 am

Knightro wrote:The Magic don't have a huge amount of games left on the schedule they're going to be favored to win.

They play the Wizards, Rockets and Wolves at home and the Cavs and Pistons on the road.

Outside of those 5 games... they very well may be underdogs in every one of the remaining 31 games :o


Just hope they get the memo and perform as expected lol
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Post#660 » by Bensational » Fri Mar 5, 2021 6:35 am

jonbob17 wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I am a big Cade fan, but if you're expecting this you're going to be disappointed. That sort of big PG is what people thought Cunningham was going to be based on HS and AAU, but he really hasn't shown much of that that at OKST.

He is averaging 3.5 APG and 4.2 TOPG as a 19 year old college player. He's only topped 5 assists in a game two times this year.

Luka and LeBron at the same age were averaging 6.0 APG to just 3.5 TO **in the NBA**

Cade has a tremendous upside as a big wing who can really make shots from all levels and also is a good passer a la Paul George or Gordon Hayward, but he's not anywhere close to Luka or LeBron's level.

And that's ok! Because those guys are once in decade kind of guys. Cade could easily become a multi time all-star and on the same planet as those two.


I wasn’t suggesting he was Doncic or Lebron, just pointing out that his size or at least height should allow him to play as the primary initiator at the wing.

I am not overly concerned about the assist/TO. The rest of the team is pretty bad, at least as shooters, and he is probably being asked to carry a bit more than his game is ready to handle. The turn overs is a little high at that usage

I am certainly not suggesting he is going to throwing up 30 point triple doubles like the two guys mentioned, but can be the lead ball handler. 20/6/6 from a 6’7 guy who shoots, passes, dribbles, and plays defense is insanely valuable. A lot of the value is team building in nature.


His play style is very different, and not as fluid as Doncic or LeBron, but I think he has the vision and smarts to still rack up a lot more assists in the pros. He knows how to use the attention he draws and he’ll only get better. I’m seeing him as Tatum with more passing/playmaking for others.

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