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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1221 » by Bassman » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:45 am

DY_nasty wrote:miles can go too

i don't understand how the guy can be featured less but somehow turn the ball over *more* while still being allergic driving towards the rim despite being the most athletic guy on the court most nights


He’s a strange mix, but ultimately I see Miles as a guy with a low ceiling who was ultimately the wrong pick in that draft. Some players just can’t find that 3rd and 4th gear to kick into high horsepower performance. Miles fits that category. Sadly I think PJ may also.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1222 » by JDR720 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:06 am

Our trade situation is weird. Our best asset (Ball) is obviously off the market and besides him we just have some middle of the road prospects that wouldn't net anyone much better than they are. Zeller isn't worth much, Graham isn't worth much and Gordon isn't tradable because of his contract.

Rozier is our best asset outside of Ball and a 1st. I could see multiple contending teams get into a bidding war for Rozier, I can't see that for anyone else.

Based on all that, we should be a selling team yet we're currently a few games up from 9th place because the East sucks outside of a few top teams. So, we're probably going to do some patchwork buying. Likely a center from somewhere. Anyone want LaMarcus?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1223 » by Diop » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:19 am

Numbers are tough to match for Aldridge.

I feel Charlotte will try to get a piece with only offering zeller, biz and the twins. I think most of the others are staying
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1224 » by JDR720 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:19 am

What about trading for a SF and move Miles and PJ up a position?

Ball - Gordon - SF - Miles - PJ

PJ gets to be a stretch 5 and Miles gets to play small-ball PF, both of which are probably their best roles.

Cody replaces Biz on as the backup C.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1225 » by Diop » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:27 am

They’re not trading Rozier, he’s been too good
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1226 » by Diop » Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:54 am

Porzingis might be the exception, I don’t see it happening though
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1227 » by JMAC3 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:27 pm

JDR720 wrote:What about trading for a SF and move Miles and PJ up a position?

Ball - Gordon - SF - Miles - PJ

PJ gets to be a stretch 5 and Miles gets to play small-ball PF, both of which are probably their best roles.

Cody replaces Biz on as the backup C.


Fact is PJ is going to have to play 10+ minutes a game at Center to get the most value out of him and Bridges. Otherwise there is not enough minutes at the 4 for both of them, especially with Miles not playing three at all.

At the same time I don't think playing PJ at the 5 all the time is very smart either. I think that lineup is really good for stretches, but we need a starting center still.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1228 » by JMAC3 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:33 pm

Diop wrote:Numbers are tough to match for Aldridge.

I feel Charlotte will try to get a piece with only offering zeller, biz and the twins. I think most of the others are staying


Aldridge could be interesting as a pick and pop center for us, but not sure what he is looking for situation wise. Spurs were in the playoffs and he has been getting DNP's. Is he only wanting to go to one of the top 5 teams only? He would be a great option for the MLE next season if it works out.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1229 » by JMAC3 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:34 pm

Diop wrote:Porzingis might be the exception, I don’t see it happening though


If he isn't working in Dallas with Luka, not sure it would be much different here. If he were struggling on Knicks or Kings I would be for it, but Dallas has a history of getting most out of its guys.
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Post#1230 » by Rich4114 » Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:24 pm

So who are we trading between Devonte, Monk and Terry? I can't picture them coming into next season with all three of them on the roster.

I think Terry has peaked this year and we'd be selling high to trade him, but it'd have to be equal value coming back in form of a big, though it'd be difficult to get rid of a guy like that given how clutch he's been and how much he's scored for us this season.

Devonte's value has definitely come down but he's still got value as a primary ball handler and 3pt shooter. He's on a cheap contract and a RFA but will need to get paid in the off-season.

Monk offers the most upside of the bunch with the least risk since you can sign him for one more year with the QO of 7.3m as a RFA or work out a long term deal.

If I could rank their importance THIS year to us it's been Terry > Monk > Devonte.

I'd most rather keep Monk because he's only just turned 23 and we could lock him into a 3-4 year deal at a reasonable rate and either start at SG or come off the bench as a scoring punch. He's also been pretty clutch himself. Terry only has one year left on his deal and if he were to get another contract right now, it would be even bigger. Devonte would be a good long-term backup PG who could easily start in a pinch if there were injury and we all remember how much it sucks to not have a backup PG. We're now building around LaMelo, so that's a huge part of this.

What should we do? Our ceiling is first round exit and we aren't going to land a stud in the draft to complete the roster if we make the playoffs.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1231 » by Soul Rebel » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:38 pm

Rich4114 wrote:So who are we trading between Devonte, Monk and Terry? I can't picture them coming into next season with all three of them on the roster.

I think Terry has peaked this year and we'd be selling high to trade him, but it'd have to be equal value coming back in form of a big, though it'd be difficult to get rid of a guy like that given how clutch he's been and how much he's scored for us this season.

Devonte's value has definitely come down but he's still got value as a primary ball handler and 3pt shooter. He's on a cheap contract and a RFA but will need to get paid in the off-season.

Monk offers the most upside of the bunch with the least risk since you can sign him for one more year with the QO of 7.3m as a RFA or work out a long term deal.

If I could rank their importance THIS year to us it's been Terry > Monk > Devonte.

I'd most rather keep Monk because he's only just turned 23 and we could lock him into a 3-4 year deal at a reasonable rate and either start at SG or come off the bench as a scoring punch. He's also been pretty clutch himself. Terry only has one year left on his deal and if he were to get another contract right now, it would be even bigger. Devonte would be a good long-term backup PG who could easily start in a pinch if there were injury and we all remember how much it sucks to not have a backup PG. We're now building around LaMelo, so that's a huge part of this.

What should we do? Our ceiling is first round exit and we aren't going to land a stud in the draft to complete the roster if we make the playoffs.


For me, I rank Graham as the one I would lose the least sleep over in a trade, but think he nets the least in return. I think Terry gets us the most value back in a trade, but I would want either a filler coming back or a second move that would return a serviceable SG (Bamba/Fournier or like a Courtney Lee caliber from the past). I don't want to trade Monk, but if the player we were getting back was so heavily favored to us that we would be stupid to not do it, then he's gone.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1232 » by geraldwallace » Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:27 am

Any Richaun Holmes trades?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1233 » by Bassman » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:25 pm

Everything in trades is relative. We postulate who we’d be willing to deal and for whom. It’s how two people/teams establish value. Value is based upon perception...perceived value by both parties.

Rozier is such a producer, he clearly is our most valuable asset not named Ball or Hayward. What center would someone offer us for him? Has to be a good one. Graham? Might bring a marginally good young 5 but not as likely with being off the court for weeks.

We really need a quality 5 to take that next step, and I’d prefer Graham be the main trading piece. He’s had some real flashes but is ultimately not a starter. Who can we get? Get er done!
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1234 » by stinger14 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:32 pm

I know its been talked about before, but what would it take to get Mo Bamba?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1235 » by James Gatz » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:07 pm

stinger14 wrote:I know its been talked about before, but what would it take to get Mo Bamba?

Future 1st or Bridges + 2nd(s)
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1236 » by Braggins » Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:46 pm

James Gatz wrote:
stinger14 wrote:I know its been talked about before, but what would it take to get Mo Bamba?

Future 1st or Bridges + 2nd(s)

You really think Bamba would cost that much? I'm not convinced he doesn't just actually suck, but I'm obviously open to the possibility that Clifford is just being a dick towards him. Still seems high to me.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1237 » by stinger14 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 11:26 pm

James Gatz wrote:
stinger14 wrote:I know its been talked about before, but what would it take to get Mo Bamba?

Future 1st or Bridges + 2nd(s)


That much? For a guy who can't crack the rotation on a terrible team?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1238 » by James Gatz » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:46 am

Braggins wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
stinger14 wrote:I know its been talked about before, but what would it take to get Mo Bamba?

Future 1st or Bridges + 2nd(s)

You really think Bamba would cost that much? I'm not convinced he doesn't just actually suck, but I'm obviously open to the possibility that Clifford is just being a dick towards him. Still seems high to me.


I don't think he's worth that but rarely do teams give up on high lottery picks in their 2nd year. It looks bad to dump the guy they took 6th for a couple of seconds.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1239 » by BigSlam » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:57 am

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #3 

Post#1240 » by luciano-davidwesley » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:34 am

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