Free Agency, Rumors, Thoughts in General 2.0

[Scoot McGroot]

Vultures starting to circle around Myles Turner on the board today except seemingly without the realization that if a bunch of teams are interested a lowball bid has no chance to obtain him.

Did you think my GS deal was a solid offer?

I mean we don't know the specifics for the Pacers, but I would have Oubre/Wiseman a serious offer in terms of value definitely. You certainly weren't trying to just steal him.

Oubre/Wiseman is probably fair-ish value, but not at all fit for Indy.

The overall problem is that GS just doesn't have other ways to make value. Draymond is a guy we'd love in terms of fit and attitude at the 4/5 next to Sabonis, but GS isn't dealing him. Minnesota pick is nice value, but Indy has not traded a guy for a future pick since the 80's. We just don't own other team's firsts, except for on the clock for a specific player. Paschall plus every other smaller piece isn't nearly enough. And, in terms of fit, if we're dealing Turner, it's because we want a fit at the 4 next to Sabonis that other teams envision we should want, and Wiseman isn't that either, and would still complicate our roster. He's just nowhere near a perimeter focused defending 4.

[tiderulz]

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I think the Hawks will be watching from the sidelines this season. But Orlando is looking to get busy for a change! My only request of all eastern teams, please send all your good players out west. The Hawks want to make the playoffs

I'll be honest, I still think Orlando keeps their guys, except maybe (maybe) Fournier. Granted, it doesn't actually make a difference in the playoff race, but they're so stuck in the mud it feels like.

yep. our lazy front office will stand pat, claim to run it back with everyone healthy.

[eminence]

Did you think my GS deal was a solid offer?

I mean we don't know the specifics for the Pacers, but I would have Oubre/Wiseman a serious offer in terms of value definitely. You certainly weren't trying to just steal him.

Oubre/Wiseman is probably fair-ish value, but not at all fit for Indy.

The overall problem is that GS just doesn't have other ways to make value. Draymond is a guy we'd love in terms of fit and attitude at the 4/5 next to Sabonis, but GS isn't dealing him. Minnesota pick is nice value, but Indy has not traded a guy for a future pick since the 80's. We just don't own other team's firsts, except for on the clock for a specific player. Paschall plus every other smaller piece isn't nearly enough. And, in terms of fit, if we're dealing Turner, it's because we want a fit at the 4 next to Sabonis that other teams envision we should want, and Wiseman isn't that either, and would still complicate our roster. He's just nowhere near a perimeter focused defending 4.

The 4 offers I've seen in the thread that I remember that kinda fit that are Hayward, Gordon, Collins, and Siakam. Do any of them interest you at first glance?

[Dadouv47]

So basically, it's what most of us thunder fans said. Horford is available and we don't expect much positive value but we aren't using assets to move him. If we keep him, so be it.

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This reads that the Thunder actually want an asset for him, which seems a bit optimistic to me.

Actually it does. I read it as "interested" and not as "uninterested". Doubt that happens. Regardless, my main point about not using assets to dump him stands. Unless I can't read that correctly either.

Even after reading an average of 1 thread/day of OKC giving up a FRP to get rid of Horford, I still don't understand why we should trade him for less than neutral value. He showed that he's still a great player, great locker room presence and more important, we don't care about cap space right now.

Of course it's unlikely we will get a good package for him this offseason or next season but even if we only have 5-10% that it happens, it's still worth it.

[loserX]

If OKC wanted to use an asset to dump Horford, they wouldn't have traded Danny Green and capspace for Horford and an asset in the first place.

If they want an asset back, it's possible, but likely only if they take back bad salary as well.

[Texas Chuck]

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[MoneyTalks41890]

If OKC wanted to use an asset to dump Horford, they wouldn't have traded Danny Green and capspace for Horford and an asset in the first place.

If they want an asset back, it's possible, but likely only if they take back bad salary as well.

I'm probably just going to drop this into any future Horford threads.

[Scoot McGroot]

I mean we don't know the specifics for the Pacers, but I would have Oubre/Wiseman a serious offer in terms of value definitely. You certainly weren't trying to just steal him.

Oubre/Wiseman is probably fair-ish value, but not at all fit for Indy.

The overall problem is that GS just doesn't have other ways to make value. Draymond is a guy we'd love in terms of fit and attitude at the 4/5 next to Sabonis, but GS isn't dealing him. Minnesota pick is nice value, but Indy has not traded a guy for a future pick since the 80's. We just don't own other team's firsts, except for on the clock for a specific player. Paschall plus every other smaller piece isn't nearly enough. And, in terms of fit, if we're dealing Turner, it's because we want a fit at the 4 next to Sabonis that other teams envision we should want, and Wiseman isn't that either, and would still complicate our roster. He's just nowhere near a perimeter focused defending 4.

The 4 offers I've seen in the thread that I remember that kinda fit that are Hayward, Gordon, Collins, and Siakam. Do any of them interest you at first glance?

In this thread? I don't recall. In the whole forums? That's a couple hundred to a couple thousand type offers.

In terms of the general players?
- Little interest in Collins for his upcoming contract negotiation and having to deal with it.
- Less than little interest in Gordon. Gordon is a TERRIBLE fit offensively with Sabonis as he needs the same exact space to be useful there.
- Siakam is hypothetically a great fit in some sense, but he's a worse floor stretcher than Myles and that contract is massive and limiting going forward. Which player are we acquiring...the one with a developing range, or the one that needs the rim to be open? One is a good fit with Sabonis, the other one is a bit questionable.
- Hayward is a tough question. Clearly we made offers for him, but then he signed a much larger deal than we were apparently willing to offer. And, since then, Hayward has proven his worth, but Myles has too. We were apparently willing to stretch and pay Gordon $25m per. I don't know that we'd pay him $30m per year (with the cheapest year mostly gone now, too).

[HartfordWhalers]

If OKC wanted to use an asset to dump Horford, they wouldn't have traded Danny Green and capspace for Horford and an asset in the first place.

If they want an asset back, it's possible, but likely only if they take back bad salary as well.

I'm probably just going to drop this into any future Horford threads.

To add on, Detroit supposedly offered to third team the deal at the time even, something like Horford and the Sixers pick into cap space. OKC said no, they wanted the compensation (and Horford).

[chrbal]

If OKC wanted to use an asset to dump Horford, they wouldn't have traded Danny Green and capspace for Horford and an asset in the first place.

If they want an asset back, it's possible, but likely only if they take back bad salary as well.

I'm probably just going to drop this into any future Horford threads.

To add on, Detroit supposedly offered to third team the deal at the time even, something like Horford and the Sixers pick into cap space. OKC said no, they wanted the compensation (and Horford).

Detroit? Do you mean Philadelphia?

[HartfordWhalers]

I'm probably just going to drop this into any future Horford threads.

To add on, Detroit supposedly offered to third team the deal at the time even, something like Horford and the Sixers pick into cap space. OKC said no, they wanted the compensation (and Horford).

Detroit? Do you mean Philadelphia?

No, Detroit. Philly agreed to offer 1st, 2nd Horford for Green. And it was reported that Detroit ried to step in and take Horford for incentive. OKC said no, so it was a 2 team deal.

[chrbal]

To add on, Detroit supposedly offered to third team the deal at the time even, something like Horford and the Sixers pick into cap space. OKC said no, they wanted the compensation (and Horford).

Detroit? Do you mean Philadelphia?

No, Detroit. Philly agreed to offer 1st, 2nd Horford for Green. And it was reported that Detroit ried to step in and take Horford for incentive. OKC said no, so it was a 2 team deal.

So we would have had Blake and al?

[Resistance]

...and a future first.

Future Traded Pick Details

2025 first round draft pick to Oklahoma City
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]

[kingcong95]

Did you think my GS deal was a solid offer?

I mean we don't know the specifics for the Pacers, but I would have Oubre/Wiseman a serious offer in terms of value definitely. You certainly weren't trying to just steal him.

Oubre/Wiseman is probably fair-ish value, but not at all fit for Indy.

The overall problem is that GS just doesn't have other ways to make value. Draymond is a guy we'd love in terms of fit and attitude at the 4/5 next to Sabonis, but GS isn't dealing him. Minnesota pick is nice value, but Indy has not traded a guy for a future pick since the 80's. We just don't own other team's firsts, except for on the clock for a specific player. Paschall plus every other smaller piece isn't nearly enough. And, in terms of fit, if we're dealing Turner, it's because we want a fit at the 4 next to Sabonis that other teams envision we should want, and Wiseman isn't that either, and would still complicate our roster. He's just nowhere near a perimeter focused defending 4.

After every game we lose, you might find someone on our sub wanting Draymond traded for whatever reason they pull out of thin air. I'm sure they'd be thrilled to get Turner for him, and would even throw in any pick except Minnesota if that's what it took, were it not for your guys' track record against acquiring other teams' picks.

In my opinion, the real reason I don't see Draymond getting traded has nothing to do with whatever his trade value might be. It's because it would put nearly all the ballhandling responsibility on Steph, who already has enough on his plate in terms of scoring.

[chrbal]

...and a future first.

Future Traded Pick Details

2025 first round draft pick to Oklahoma City
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]

This season is what it is, but Blake and al.. not worth the pick

[Resistance]

...and a future first.

Future Traded Pick Details

2025 first round draft pick to Oklahoma City
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]

This season is what it is, but Blake and al.. not worth the pick

Weaver came from OKC and Presti will tank as deemed necessary. I hope you weren't expecting Weaver to try and put a contender on the floor this season.

[chrbal]

...and a future first.

Future Traded Pick Details

This season is what it is, but Blake and al.. not worth the pick

Weaver came from OKC and Presti will tank as deemed necessary. I hope you weren't expecting Weaver to try and put a contender on the floor this season.

Absolutely not. I just didn’t want to be stuck with that pair and their contracts. 1 is bad, 2 is way to much.

[HartfordWhalers]

This season is what it is, but Blake and al.. not worth the pick

Weaver came from OKC and Presti will tank as deemed necessary. I hope you weren't expecting Weaver to try and put a contender on the floor this season.

Absolutely not. I just didn’t want to be stuck with that pair and their contracts. 1 is bad, 2 is way to much.

If I was a Det fan, I would strongly wish my team had spent cap space getting very lightly protected 1sts. To each their own?

[chrbal]

Weaver came from OKC and Presti will tank as deemed necessary. I hope you weren't expecting Weaver to try and put a contender on the floor this season.

Absolutely not. I just didn’t want to be stuck with that pair and their contracts. 1 is bad, 2 is way to much.

If I was a Det fan, I would strongly wish my team had spent cap space getting very lightly protected 1sts. To each their own?

Horford just seems like to high a price to pay. I’m not enthusiastic about how they ended up doing the offseason, but I don’t remember there being to many 1sts dumped.

[HartfordWhalers]

Absolutely not. I just didn’t want to be stuck with that pair and their contracts. 1 is bad, 2 is way to much.

If I was a Det fan, I would strongly wish my team had spent cap space getting very lightly protected 1sts. To each their own?

Horford just seems like to high a price to pay. I’m not enthusiastic about how they ended up doing the offseason, but I don’t remember there being to many 1sts dumped.

There were few 1sts dumped. Supposedly they bid on one. I would have had it a great deal for Det if they got it; but instead OKC valued it more and didn’t want to partially pay for the dump.